MACHIAVELLI
Chairman/C.E.O.
WHO IS HE COUNTING? DID THE SWAC ADD FAMU, TENN ST., BCC AND DIDN'T TELL US???
SWAC Re-alignment? . . . Serious Question
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WHO IS HE COUNTING? DID THE SWAC ADD FAMU, TENN ST., BCC AND DIDN'T TELL US???
Olde Hornet
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Thanks for starting this thread. 
I think the current alignment is working fine and I would not make any changes until 2 teams are added to the conference. I really think the addition of 2 teams would help to reduce travel cost, especially for non revenue producing sports.
I think the current alignment is working fine and I would not make any changes until 2 teams are added to the conference. I really think the addition of 2 teams would help to reduce travel cost, especially for non revenue producing sports.
Lewis
Peabody Warhorses
This thread is funny. First, this 4 strong teams in the east concept is funny. After Jackson State, who are you talking about. (Note, to make a change that has a longterm effect like this one, you gotta look at more than 1 year). Lets start with Alcorn, how long ago was it that they lost to Praire View??? How long ago were they winnless, and how long ago was it they lost to a DII school? Take AAMU, they still ain't even beat one of the Big 3 yet, and aside from backing into 1 SCG they haven't done much, The only remotely upper team they have beaten since they been in the swac is, You guessed it, Alabama State. Take them last year, when Kennedy was out studying, Alcorn beat them and Southern killed them, with Kennedy they were competive against the top split with Grambling and beat JSU by 3. 1 Player.<br><br>No matter how you cut it, right now the 3 marquee programs in the SWAC are SU, Grambling, and Jackson State, and all 3 of them do not need to be in the same division. Except for that, their is nothing to be gained by realignment unless you are running from 1 of the Big 3.
Tiger Trail
Sked...Say U Sked!
Lewis,
I didn't say that, you did! :lmao:
I didn't say that, you did! :lmao:
JROCK
Preeminent
Leave it alone!
The format is perfect. With no SMACK intended, the Texas schools have the most potential in the league and need to get their ish together.
(Digression)
League Liability Schools (can be corrected)
1) TXSU- One of the largest cities in America not being capitalized on.
2) P.V.- Administrators need to do whatever it takes to extend the maximum in scholarships; again very fertile recruiting ground.
(dont believe correctable)
3) Valley- This school needs to move to D-2. Sometimes you just have to let go.
4) Pine Bluff-Not a factor in any D-1 or 1-AA athletic discipline.
Future Solution:
Drop Valley and Pine Bluff: Add TNST in the East and a 1-AA PWC in the west.............One Black Man's Opinion.
The format is perfect. With no SMACK intended, the Texas schools have the most potential in the league and need to get their ish together.
(Digression)
League Liability Schools (can be corrected)
1) TXSU- One of the largest cities in America not being capitalized on.
2) P.V.- Administrators need to do whatever it takes to extend the maximum in scholarships; again very fertile recruiting ground.
(dont believe correctable)
3) Valley- This school needs to move to D-2. Sometimes you just have to let go.
4) Pine Bluff-Not a factor in any D-1 or 1-AA athletic discipline.
Future Solution:
Drop Valley and Pine Bluff: Add TNST in the East and a 1-AA PWC in the west.............One Black Man's Opinion.
No it isn't. Alcorn is 90 miles away from Grambling. It is about a hour and a half drive.
J-State Tiger
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Something is wrong with this thread if im agreeing with the likes of SOG and Lewis.
MACHIAVELLI
Chairman/C.E.O.
HAVE YOU ACTUALLY TIMED THIS OR ARE YOU JUST GUESSING. I USED TO LIVE IN TEXARKANA IT IS 144 MILES FROM GRAMBLING, TEXARKANA IS ABOUT 80-100 MILES FROM PINE BLUFF. SO YOU CAN GET TO PINE BLUFF IN ABOUT ABOUT AN HOUR AFTER YOU REACH GRAMBLING. I DON'T THINK SO.
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MikeBigg
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I think he meant that Alcorn is closer to Southern than any other SWAC school is to Southern...
I like the current setup and believe that TxSU, PVU, and PB has the potential to put it together and make some noise over here in the West. The key is marketing the games and continuing to give fans an exciting brand of football.
The East has had a different representative in each of the three years of the SCG. This year might see the 4th representative if the Braves have improved as much this year as they did last year.
Actually, on paper both divisions appear to be wide open. A lot of folk think that GSU is vulnerable due to the number of players lost from last season. I personally don't agree with that logic, cause we have lots of experience and talent coming back. I would be concerned if our coaching staff hadn't proven they could get the job done...but the staff and players are BACK-II-BACK CHAMPS AND BACK FOR MORE! Folks...This Is The Remix!
I like the current setup and believe that TxSU, PVU, and PB has the potential to put it together and make some noise over here in the West. The key is marketing the games and continuing to give fans an exciting brand of football.
The East has had a different representative in each of the three years of the SCG. This year might see the 4th representative if the Braves have improved as much this year as they did last year.
Actually, on paper both divisions appear to be wide open. A lot of folk think that GSU is vulnerable due to the number of players lost from last season. I personally don't agree with that logic, cause we have lots of experience and talent coming back. I would be concerned if our coaching staff hadn't proven they could get the job done...but the staff and players are BACK-II-BACK CHAMPS AND BACK FOR MORE! Folks...This Is The Remix!
G-Men brotha! Preach it!
I have tried to make this very same point to these people, but they don't want to hear it. Just because we lost a lot of starters doesn't mean we don't have experienced players returning.
SU Jag 79
Jaguar ALUM
Thanx MB .... for some of these cats, reading wasn't fundamental .....
Anyway, Mach, I have timed those because I have made those trips. All of those are from BR to those other places. It probably is an hour to and hour and a half from Grambling to Pine Bluff. Then again, the person I was riding with was FLYING too, so you may be right.
Earlier, I mentioned a North/South alignment. After much discussion and them damn Texas and Alabama schools, I see that would not be a good idea. However, here's one:
DO AWAY WITH THE DIVISIONS
Makes it easier on scheduling (8 SWAC games, 9 possible opponents, one school rotates off the schedule each year). This leaves three or four game dates to schedule, like it was before. Games like SU-GSU, JSU-Alcorn, and AAMU-ASU would most certainly be scheduled in their rotated years anyway. The thought of someone winning just four games and representing the SWAC whatever division is SICKENING!
Whoever the top two are, that's your championship game.
On other sports, it can work too. We have seen it.
Anyway, Mach, I have timed those because I have made those trips. All of those are from BR to those other places. It probably is an hour to and hour and a half from Grambling to Pine Bluff. Then again, the person I was riding with was FLYING too, so you may be right.
Earlier, I mentioned a North/South alignment. After much discussion and them damn Texas and Alabama schools, I see that would not be a good idea. However, here's one:
DO AWAY WITH THE DIVISIONS
Makes it easier on scheduling (8 SWAC games, 9 possible opponents, one school rotates off the schedule each year). This leaves three or four game dates to schedule, like it was before. Games like SU-GSU, JSU-Alcorn, and AAMU-ASU would most certainly be scheduled in their rotated years anyway. The thought of someone winning just four games and representing the SWAC whatever division is SICKENING!
Whoever the top two are, that's your championship game.
On other sports, it can work too. We have seen it.
JaguarNationAJL
Aquarius Man
I agree... adding two more teams would change things.
Naw, I think in your case, writing wasn't fundamental.
This is pathetic.. can we please get someone to come close this thread. You people are making waaaaaaaaaaay more difficult than this needs to be. I take it some of you did not study geography.
UAPB is more to the West than Alcorn, plus it is West of the Mississippi River. Alcorn is more to the East than UAPB plus it is East of the Mississippi River.
A lot of you just post stuff with nothing to support it. I hope none of you applied for the commissioners position.
Deuce
Well-Known Member
Alcorn would not have to travel to Texas twice in the same year. They could play one team at home and one on the road each year.
But even if they did travel to Texas twice in the same year, it would only mean that the following year, they would not have to travel to Texas at all.
By the way SOG, we all know our geography, but as I said earlier, this is not all about geography, it is also about competitiveness.
BLUEBENGAL
Senior Member
Good point Deuce, Alcorn travels about seven hours to play AAMU as member of the SWAC's Eastern Division. So moving Alcorn to the West and moving Southern to the East isn't really a bad idea.
Why not move the SWAC Championship Game to Jackson?
truthteller
The Critic
Ok, there seems to be some confusion here has far as distance.
From Alcorn State to Grambling.....the distance is 153 miles. That's about a 3 hour drive. Whereas, the distance from Alcorn State to Southern is probably right under 100 miles. That's 2 hours traveling on a US highway. So for the record, ASU and SU are closer.
As far as someone moving.....that should happen when someone joins the conference. And that's when the following would become more appropriate.
North
1. Tennesee State
2. Alabama A&M
3. Grambling State
4. Morris Brown
5. University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff
6. Mississippi Valley
South
1. Alabama State
2. Southern
3. Texas Southern
4. Alcorn State
5. Prairie View
6. Jackson State
or
East
1. Morris Brown
2. Alabama A&M
3. Tennessee State
4. Jackson State
5. Alabama State
6. Mississippi Valley
West
1. University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff
2. Texas Southern
3. Grambling State
4. Prairie View
5. Alcorn State
6. Southern
From Alcorn State to Grambling.....the distance is 153 miles. That's about a 3 hour drive. Whereas, the distance from Alcorn State to Southern is probably right under 100 miles. That's 2 hours traveling on a US highway. So for the record, ASU and SU are closer.
As far as someone moving.....that should happen when someone joins the conference. And that's when the following would become more appropriate.
North
1. Tennesee State
2. Alabama A&M
3. Grambling State
4. Morris Brown
5. University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff
6. Mississippi Valley
South
1. Alabama State
2. Southern
3. Texas Southern
4. Alcorn State
5. Prairie View
6. Jackson State
or
East
1. Morris Brown
2. Alabama A&M
3. Tennessee State
4. Jackson State
5. Alabama State
6. Mississippi Valley
West
1. University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff
2. Texas Southern
3. Grambling State
4. Prairie View
5. Alcorn State
6. Southern
Get Ready
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Ima say this, and Ima end mine
The SCG was created for 3 reasons:
#1...So Rudy could make contracts in his name and steal all of the money
#2...Give SU and GSU a chance to play a post season game since they had no interest in playing in the playoffs.
#3...So JSU and SU could play a rematch game at the end of the year.
And thats it. I dont want to hear the Bama schools talking this and that. The SCG was not created for you....you made it, but thats not what was suppose to happen. From 95 to 1998, JSU and SU finished 1 and 2 in the SWAC. Rematches in those years would have been HUGE games, even bigger than the 99 SCG. The SCG was created so that JSU could play the winner of the BC.
JSU and SU have the largest fan base and thats what the SWAC office was trying to take advantage of. If Grambling makes it every now and then, well thats OK too.
The SWAC office never thought about team like TSU or UAPB making it to the game. If they ever do, you will see the DEMISE of the SCG......especially if they play a Bama school.
The SCG was created for 3 reasons:
#1...So Rudy could make contracts in his name and steal all of the money
#2...Give SU and GSU a chance to play a post season game since they had no interest in playing in the playoffs.
#3...So JSU and SU could play a rematch game at the end of the year.
And thats it. I dont want to hear the Bama schools talking this and that. The SCG was not created for you....you made it, but thats not what was suppose to happen. From 95 to 1998, JSU and SU finished 1 and 2 in the SWAC. Rematches in those years would have been HUGE games, even bigger than the 99 SCG. The SCG was created so that JSU could play the winner of the BC.
JSU and SU have the largest fan base and thats what the SWAC office was trying to take advantage of. If Grambling makes it every now and then, well thats OK too.
The SWAC office never thought about team like TSU or UAPB making it to the game. If they ever do, you will see the DEMISE of the SCG......especially if they play a Bama school.
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