SWAC OFFICE CAN LEARN VALAUBLE LESSONS FROM SU AND PV


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The SWAC BASEBALL tourney is history and thanks God none of our athletes, players, coaches or fans were hurt. The game film has been picked up by the national media, and through no fault of our own, negative images of the conference have been put out there. However, congratulations to both champion Southern University and Prarie View for representing their schools well in a record setting 15 inning championship baseball game.

There will always be different versions of what happened that night because of the shooting. PV will have their version an SU will have theirs. No matter how much SMACK is talked between the two schools, that won't change.

However, the SWAC office can learn some valuable lessons from this incident at its summer meetings this week and move forward. Here are some of the things that might be discussed based on first hand reports of people I talked to, who (both PV and SU) who actually attended the game.

1. The Baseball Tourneyment was well conceived but poorly organized. Fans said there was no support by the city of Birmingham and no media coverage by the city until the shooting. Commish Vowels and his staff did a poor job of publicising the game. There were no local media coverage, game programs, rosters, or brackets for fans buy or to see.

2. The field was in good shape, but the stadium seats looked like they hadn't been cleaned in years. Dust and dirt had caked up on the stadium seats. Someone should have cleaned them before expecting fans to sit there.

3. The safety issued and when to suspend a game really needs to be looked at and discussed by the conference. Safety should always come first, but some fools or kids could always shoot off a round or two in the air or light a firecracker. PV coach did the right thing in pulling his team for safety reasons if he didn't know what was going on. However to suspend a game until the next day after the all clear has been given by the cops sets a bad example. It gives power to the fools who then think they can stop a game at any time. I remember an SEC game once where there was a fire outside the stadium and they just kept on playing (lol) .

4. Lastly, the SWAC Office needs to just break down and admit that the only way they are ever going to make any money off of one of these chamionships is to put the game in a SWAC city where at least one of the top contenders resides. Hell, just do a coin flip or let a cities bid on getting it.

5. After this incident, do they really think fans ever want come back to Birmingham now or for any kind of SWAC Championships.
 



hold up.....just because the cops say its clear doesn't mean squat....would you send your kid back out there into the lonely outfield 5 minutes after a shootout that no one to this day still knows where it started? The SWAC did the right thing..if a kid got shot yall asses would've been roasting the SWAC and BPD for leaving them out there.

On the other hand, the field wasn't that great even though it looked nice The playing surface was hard as cement and broke the backs of several shortstops. The games were played so late that fog started to roll in and the ground was slippery.

they only had 1 man to conduct field maintenance and his "help" came from guys loaned from the county jail (had orange jumpsuits on). In between games, it took him 40 minutes just to stripe, drag and water the field.

as for media coverage....I just don't know what to say on that...I expected better..

they did offer free food thankfully but that was probably the only positive.

as for fan support, the Texas teams led the way....but up to this day, no one had said why Baseball USA wasn't used again despite it being great for the 2004.
 
the band fan,

So in the hood, who's to say the field is going to be safe the next morning... or the next morning ... or the morning after that ... ad infinitnum?. Like I said before, someone could have just as easily fired shots the next day. At some point, you've got to draw the line. Let the cops do the job there're being paid do . Check it out. Call for extra security, but get the dayum game over with. We really will become a laughing stock if we start postphoning games until the next day every time this sort of thing happens.
 
last I checked...you can see better in the day than night...again, if you weren't there it's hard for you to understand...

the fence we see is actually not the real fence..there's another fence back there and behind that a lot of trees.....at night, no telling what's back there and I'm not going to risk the safety of an athlete 5 minutes after a shootout in unfamiliar territory.
 
What if the SWAC Schools were to increase its annual fee to $250,000 to help solve some of these issues? We know only two schools don't mind playing in B'ham, therefore, this incident is being used to move the game to another City. What if we could keep some of our Presidents and ADs around for a good five years to tackle some of these issues?
 
To me, this whole ordeal is stupid and we as a people never think before we shoot ourselves in the foot. As for coverage of the game, Band fan when the tournament was here in Houston, the SWAC got all of 15 seconds on every station here for only 2 nights. So, please stop the bad mouthing of the city. When we have the SCG every station in the state is in town and do live shots from the game. I know because I worked with everyone of them before and saw for myself that they were present. Even Baton Rouge sent a truck over when Grambling was playing. I have never seen a Houston Sat truck or anything on the news about the SCG in Houston. I guess because neither team in the area ever makes it to the game.

As for the baseball field. That is the same field that Michael Jordan played baseball on and from the pictures and personal knowledge of what the stadium looks like. It is in dayum good shape. I should also mention that many of the Negro leagues played there as well, hence the significance of the SWAC playing there. The stadium has been restored to what it looked like when it was built and it is a landmark. That is why it has been used for movies and such. I'm sure the city could make it possible for the tournament to be played in the Hoover Met, but do you think our people will drive out there? No! It isn't like PV and TSU play in the best facilities, anyway.

The safety issue is something that has to be dealt with by the SWAC office. When to call a game is up to the head umpire/commissioner. If it was uncertain that the police really had a handle on the situation, then they did the right thing. From the newspaper article the shooting was blocks away.

Yall really need to give this crap a rest. I wonder what you would've complained about had this issue not happened....:smh:
 
Mike...the tournament wasn't even MENTIONED IN B-HAM ON TV OR THE NEWSPAPER (EXCEPT THE SHOOTING)....those 15 seconds in Houston was more than the SWAC received all weekend long....and if the SCG was so great, it wouldn't need all these side shows to get the small amount of folks it gets from the city,,

what in the hell are you looking at when it comes to the baseball field? That facility is horrible...I don't care if Jackie Robinson played there, that ain't gonna get the AVERAGE FAN there....the facility was dirty, outdated, had no real batting cages and those renovations were 20 years old....if it was so great, the team would've stayed..you didn't stay out there until 1 a.m. wondering if the field would hold up..you didn't see the lack of a field crew...what about the 25 foot backstop? according to your logic, we might as well stay in outdated facilities because it's history..

but we all know the reason why it was there because it was free and they didn't have to pay hardly any workers....ask the one guy who was fuming over being a volunteer...

FROM THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE..again, your reading and running away with it...if that was your kid out there in center field, would YOU want them out there still 5 minutes after a shooting?

if the shooting didn't happen....I still had issues with the set-up, lack of media coverage, etc......but lets be real, your only supporting B-Ham because
your from there....our playing surface is ten times better than what we played on this weekend....and the crowd support proved where it should be held...

sorry...ALL the coaches in attendance have already made their minds up it's going to move.....another experiment that went bad...

and to make matters worse..some basketball coaches think Fair Park is where the tourney should be held....backwards thinking or what?
 
band fan is not lying. The stadium is AWFUL.

- The seats were dirty (literally....gunk and dirt on them)
- They obviously painted over the seats at some point instead of replacing them and the paint was all chippin off.
- The one man field crew speaks for itself....
(Thursday night the infield had to be covered because of the expected rain that night and Friday. TELL ME WHY THE COMMISSIONER OF OUR CONFERENCE HAD TO PULL THE COVERING OVER THE FIELD. He and three of his staff people wear out there doing it. ... that is unacceptable).
- No parking lot....It didn't matter though...no fans were there anyways.
- The restrooms are not maintained. *smell*....UGHHHH

I think the real problem is the place doesnt have the neccessary staff to keep a place like that up.

I appreciate nostalgia...but that's not the case here. I've been many places and seen old historic places preserved properly. I'm not saying that everything has to be modern...but the place should be CLEAN. Most historic sites are usually cleaner than buildings and facilities built recently, because of the effort that goes into preserving it. There's no historic value to dirty sh*t. lol. The complaints we have have nothing to do with how OLD the place is..... outside of that the place is horrible.
 
Dear SWAC office.... PLEASE move this damn baseball tournament to Houston so these folks will stop BIAATCHING. Its BASEBALL.
 
Band fan,

I guess the tournament in Houston was filled to capacity? If you took the time to read what I said in the quote that I have provided for you....

The safety issue is something that has to be dealt with by the SWAC office. When to call a game is up to the head umpire/commissioner. If it was uncertain that the police really had a handle on the situation, then they did the right thing. From the newspaper article the shooting was blocks away.


Then you would understand that I agree with the safety issue.

As for what you want and what you get from the SWAC office. You need to take that up with them and your Presidents. If they wanted to pay for the Hoover Met or where ever YOU think they should have played the game, then that's on them. Free is what you got and if you think it should be somewhere else then let's see you write the dayum check! This conference hasn't played in the top facilities all the time. I guess McGregor park is the top of the line in Houston? NO! You and I know that and Rickwood is way better than that field that TxSU & PV played in this year.

Another thing, do you realize that the conference is still trying to financially get it's footing back under it? Have you ever thought about that? Did it cross your mind that..... nevermind.

I think you like to see yourself complain. Even when the games were in Houston you found something negative to say about the way things went. Nothing ever satisfies you and we all need to learn how to ignore alot of what you say. All of this negative feedback from you about every aspect of every event that you attend makes me think that you could work for the Astros and find something to complain about when it comes to facilities. I don't hardly see you complain about what PV has to play in as much as you complain about what the SWAC plays it's tournaments in. Believe me, you'd do better by trying to better that first before you jump on the conference.

NT,

I went to a SWAC baseball game that had horrible parking this year. Guess what? I didn't complain or raise hell. I had to move my car because a fould ball could've knocked my windows out . That's how close I was to the field and I had to drive around until someone moved for me to get that spot. The seating was not the greatest and that was the reason that I stayed with the alumni chapter that was tailgating. If I came to every game and complained as much as some people, I'd never be able to enjoy myself while there. It seems that some are there to see what there is to complain about than watch their team.

I really hope that the SWAC will move the games to where ever you guys want it, now. Because your schools as well as mine will have to pay for it and when you see what you can afford the better you will appreciate what you had. You will probably have to pay for what you left when you try to comeback and I will be happy to tell you that I told you so.

Broke folks wanting to sit in skybox seating for free is all you guys are and you don't even know you broke. That's what's killing me.....
 
I really understand how/why other conferences I-A or I-AA look @ the SWAC and laugh.

Bush league is too great of a compliment to describe the current SWAC. :tdown:
 
DAHILL said:
Dear SWAC office.... PLEASE move this damn baseball tournament to Houston so these folks will stop BIAATCHING. Its BASEBALL.

Pretty daamn please....

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Mike said:
Broke folks wanting to sit in skybox seating for free is all you guys are and you don't even know you broke. That's what's killing me.....

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Ey Mike so in Houston, the BASEBALL Tournament drew 50,000 and was played at Minute Maid?!

"Snake"
 
Panthro said:
I really understand how/why other conferences I-A or I-AA look @ the SWAC and laugh.

Bush league is too great of a compliment to describe the current SWAC. :tdown:

That's why you could not pay me to attend a SWAC baseball game :shame: :shame: :shame:
 
I think some of you are riding TBF simply because he is TBF. You all are crucifying the messenger without really looking at the message. Most of what TBF is saying has been said by many others who were at the tourney.

And for the last time, this is NOT about Houston.
 



purple hill II said:
That's why you could not pay me to attend a SWAC baseball game :shame: :shame: :shame:

What makes baseball different from any other sport in the SWAC that you beat down the door to get to? Many of them are in MUCH worse shape than baseball. TALK about bush league.....
 
purple hill II said:
That's why you could not pay me to attend a SWAC baseball game :shame: :shame: :shame:

Too ghetto. Certain things should really be unaccpetable but those w/ the power guiding the buggy are allowing this. Ghetto mentality drives a ghetto programme.

That's scary considering the state & mindset of some of these youngsters that are 'allegedly' being directed. Becton and Hines were really on to some things when they didn't allow certain "school" groups to travel. Too dangerous. Too ghetto. Too backwards. :tdown:

This could never be acceptable and condoned. :tdown:
 
Mike,

Honestly!! You had to be there to view the facility. I rather not put everything out on the table. I will tell you my thoughts in person.

Shaking My Head!!
 
the band fan said:
On the other hand, the field wasn't that great even though it looked nice The playing surface was hard as cement and broke the backs of several shortstops.

Oh my, we didn't hear about that. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
DAHILL said:
Dear SWAC office.... PLEASE move this damn baseball tournament to Houston so these folks will stop BIAATCHING. Its BASEBALL.


Please, SWAC office hear our cry!! How much longer must we endure these shrill whines and cries about baseball?

We beg of you, oh benevolent execs...be ye merciful and take this tournament to Houston where crowds will swell into the thousands, and the games will be played only in state-of-the-art facilities, thus bringing smiles to all the faces of those who now shed a trail of tears.

All these things we do ask you to do quickly! Bless you for indulging our requests!

Roll of Thunder...Hear my Cry!
 
Some of you are truly sad and missing the ENTIRE point. But then again, I expect that from some of you "grown" folk....
 
AAMU Alum,

It is understandable why and it is obvious that AA&MU does not care about the sport of baseball, as of yet. But, it is unfortunate that since we have decided to sanction baseball as a conference sport that member institutions that do take the sport a bit more serious with athletic department funds are not aloud to grow the sport through mechanism that currently exist.

Any sport that the conference member institutions provide should be supported within reason, especially understanding the fact that young men and women (college student athletes) are participating. Any winning collegiate team no matter the sport provides positive media streams to the conference and if operate efficiently may even provide an additional revenue stream, if not a enough to pay for the sport it should at least decrease the expense involved in having the sport.

Our shortsightedness to see this unique course of action or the inability to provide this service, will eventually find itself in hindering our ability to expand our expectation and growth the more mainstream sports a.k.a. revenue generating sports.

Shaking My Head!!
 
Jafus (Thinker) said:
AAMU Alum,

It is understandable why and it is obvious that AA&MU does not care about the sport of baseball, as of yet. But, it is unfortunate that since we have decided to sanction baseball as a conference sport that member institutions that do take the sport a bit more serious with athletic department funds are not aloud to grow the sport through mechanism that currently exist.

Any sport that the conference member institutions provide should be supported within reason, especially understanding the fact that young men and women (college student athletes) are participating. Any winning collegiate team no matter the sport provides positive media streams to the conference and if operate efficiently may even provide an additional revenue stream, if not a enough to pay for the sport it should at least decrease the expense involved in having the sport.

Our shortsightedness to see this unique course of action or the inability to provide this service, will eventually find itself in hindering our ability to expand our expectation and growth the more mainstream sports a.k.a. revenue generating sports.

Shaking My Head!!

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