South Carolina State is considering dropping their men's basketball program:

[Kendrick]

Gonzaga's basketball is not big because of the endowment; the endowment is big because of the success of the basketball team.


http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/nov/24/gonzaga-universitys-basketball-success-fuels/


"Gonzaga University’s basketball team has netted more than just wins in the past 15 years.

The Zags have spawned a transformation of a tiny, struggling college into a national brand and a money magnet.

The Jesuit liberal arts college enrolled 7,605 students this fall, 82 percent more than the 4,185 who attended classes in 1999.

Donors have swollen the college’s coffers to $173.3 million, nearly doubling its endowment. The university’s budget has almost tripled.

And generous pledges have enabled Gonzaga to build a $25 million basketball arena, a baseball complex, student apartments, an applied science building and other projects. A $60 million student center is under construction.

“Gonzaga was really suffering (in 1999),” said Don Herak, a trustee emeritus and major donor. “The basketball team was the catalyst for changing Gonzaga.”....


“Basketball – that’s how I heard about Gonzaga. I visited and got a good vibe,” said Gene Dawydiak, a Gonzaga senior and San Francisco native. Once enrolled, however, “I was disappointed it wasn’t as Catholic as I thought it would be; 99.9 percent of the time I forget it’s a Catholic school until I see a crucifix.”

Outside the fame and financial gain fostered by the Zags’ on-court success, the face of the university is changing.

• The number of minority undergraduates at Gonzaga has doubled to 1 in 5 students in the past 10 years.

• About 17 percent of undergraduate students received Pell Grants this school year, up 5 percentage points from seven years ago.

• Students who are the first in their family to attend college now make up 18.4 percent of the freshman class.

• About 95 percent of students receive some sort of financial aid.

• The school is led by its first non-Jesuit president, Thayne McCulloh.

Gonzaga’s student population has grown so fast the college has to secure rooms at a nearby hotel for housing. More than 3,000 students live on or near the 131-acre campus in 16 residence halls, eight apartment complexes and numerous houses in the Logan neighborhood.

I don't need to know all that.

My point is Gonzaga isn't faced with dropping its basketball team or any of its athletic programs because they are in a better financial situation than SCSU.

 

[JR]

I don't need to know all that.

My point is Gonzaga isn't faced with dropping its basketball team or any of its athletic programs because they are in a better financial situation than SCSU.

You are right they have money and you can't compare SC State to them. Of course they don't have a football team I don't believe so they can funnel their athletic monies into basketball. At some schools Basketball is king even those with football programs. I would imagine UCONN basketball both Men and Women trump that Football program for Now. Not that it is not making money. But they aint on that level with them. Same for Syracuse football although it has some great history with players that came from there. But I would imagine Basketball is king there.

All our HBCUs are tight for money athletically. That is just the bottom line. We don't have alumni or booster organizations funneling in extra cash like bigger schools.

 

[number1]

LOL at this whole topic turning to a band vs football. Well at least both of my alma maters are said to have the best 2 bands in the country. And what Ohio State does. Some HBCUs could do it if these old band directors were not lazy and stuck on the same ole same. We were innovative back in the day and did that kind of stuff. Nothing is new that TBDBITL is doing. Just was smart enough to hire a 30 something old Head Band director a couple of years ago. LOL. I expect to see some innovation at SU with a young Haymer in charge. Now back to the original topic.

Bottom line is SC State like a lot of our schools have financial issues. Football can't pay for all of their athletic programs like most of our schools. So they are going to cut the non revenue making ones and they have to look at the Men's programs first due to Title IX. Not shocking. We are at a cross roads and money is tight. Even with a good football program at SC State, they do not make the same revenue some of the other HBCUs do from Football. Whether it is because their stadium is not large or due to travel expenses in the MEAC that takes you all the way up to Delaware and as far South to Daytona Beach. That eats up your money when you got to travel to play teams in your own conference that are that far away. Then you get even more with the basketball teams having to play teams that are not within a state or two. The MEAC gets bigger during basketball season. So I can see how that eats up some money.

I wonder if the SoCon or Big South would be a better option for them.

 

[Oracle]

I don't need to know all that.

My point is Gonzaga isn't faced with dropping its basketball team or any of its athletic programs because they are in a better financial situation than SCSU.

You made the observation that the basketball team was successful because of the endowment. I pointed out that the endowment was high because the basketball team became a winner. Gonzaga might be faced with the same problem if it had not made the decision to fully fund and take advantage of the benefits a winning team could provide. The size of the of the endowment was irrelevant to that discussion.
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[JROCK]

You made the observation that the basketball team was successful because of the endowment. I pointed out that the endowment was high because the basketball team became a winner. Gonzaga might be faced with the same problem if it had not made the decision to fully fund and take advantage of the benefits a winning team could provide. The size of the of the endowment was irrelevant to that discussion.
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That was an extremely poor example on so many fronts. If you think dropping football @ SCST and focusing on basketball is going to increase their enrollment and move them into 4th place nationally among HBCU(s) in endowment money then someone from there must have a chicken that lays golden eggs on command. :smh: :lol: :emlaugh:

 

[Kendrick]

You made the observation that the basketball team was successful because of the endowment
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No I didn't.

I didn't even make the correlation. You did.

This whole discussion is about money, which means the endowment is kinda important since you're making comparisons here. Gonzaga has more of it (regardless of how it was garnered) to fully support athletics for a minute. SCSU is not in that position. That's the point I was making.

 

[Oracle]

That was an extremely poor example on so many fronts. If you think dropping football @ SCST and focusing on basketball is going to increase their enrollment and move them into 4th place nationally among HBCU(s) in endowment money then someone from there must have a chicken that lays golden eggs on command. :smh: :lol: :emlaugh:[/QUOTE)

I never did not express any opinion on dropping football. The topic was dropping basketball. I pointed out that a winning basketball team could benefit the school. I never said that basketball was a panacea for a broke athletic department...neither did I say that SC State could exploit it to the same degree as Gonzaga....merely pointed out that a successful team could make a difference in enrollment and a lumni gjving.

 

[jag4life]

You made the observation that the basketball team was successful because of the endowment. I pointed out that the endowment was high because the basketball team became a winner. Gonzaga might be faced with the same problem if it had not made the decision to fully fund and take advantage of the benefits a winning team could provide. The size of the of the endowment was irrelevant to that discussion.
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Gonzaga's endowment before the basketball success was close to $100M. They "nearly doubled" it to $173M, which means they had at least 16-20times what SCSU currently has.

 

[bluedog]

You probably haven't been keeping up, but they came up in that area big time when they hired Mr. Ellis from Morris Brown. SCST will hurt your feelings these days if you're not prepared. Again, you have to look at the big picture. This is a recruiting tool that is certainly fueled by the football program.

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Nathan Haymer hoped he would get 300 applications, but he received a record 434 for Southern University’s High School Band and Dance Team Camp.

“The school has been doing this camp for 17 years, and until this year, last year was the biggest with 237 kids,†said Haymer, Southern’s interim director of bands and coordinator of the 2014 camp that ran from June 23-27.

“This year, I only had 70 applications on the Monday before camp was to begin … and 250 by Thursday,†Haymer said .

But the applications poured in on Friday.

“It was a surprise,†Haymer said. “I had to go to the administration for help.â€

http://theadvocate.com/home/9569979-125/the-future-of-the-southern

 

[JAG89]

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http://theadvocate.com/home/9569979-125/the-future-of-the-southern

The Baton Rouge Advocate know they can screw up an article. There's no such school named Landry Wallace High School in New Orleans. I believe they meant to say Landry-WALKER High School in New Orleans on the West Bank. Southern University's band announcer graduated from O.P. Walker High School, which was merged with L.B. Landry High School to create Landry-Walker High School.

Auguiste gathered in Haymer’s office with fellow trumpeters Jaron Williams and Carl Lajaunie.

Williams, 17, will be a senior in the fall at Landry Wallace High School in New Orleans. Lajaunie, 17, will be a senior at Jeanerette High School.

 

[JROCK]

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http://theadvocate.com/home/9569979-125/the-future-of-the-southern

Good Stuff>>>>>>>>>>>>>:tup:

 

[number1]

The Baton Rouge Advocate know they can screw up an article. There's no such school named Landry Wallace High School in New Orleans. I believe they meant to say Landry-WALKER High School in New Orleans on the West Bank. Southern University's band announcer graduated from O.P. Walker High School, which was merged with L.B. Landry High School to create Landry-Walker High School.

Jaron Williams is one of the students that was featured on The Gritty City documentary.

 

[JAG89]

Jaron Williams is one of the students that was featured on The Gritty City documentary.

They should have gotten the young man's high school name right, which is Landry-WALKER not Landry-WALLACE. But overall, it was a good article.

 

[number1]

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http://theadvocate.com/home/9569979-125/the-future-of-the-southern

Had about 30+ band directors at the camp too that brought their students to the camp. Most of them were SU alumni, but we had some alumni from Clark-Atlanta, FAMU, and Prairie View A&M bring their students to participate in our camp too. Beautiful thing to see.

 

[JAG89]

Had about 30+ band directors at the camp too that brought their students to the camp. Most of them were SU alumni, but we had some alumni from Clark-Atlanta, FAMU, and Prairie View A&M bring their students to participate in our camp too. Beautiful thing to see.

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