SoCon Loses TV Deal


SU Jag 79 said:
There is NOTHING wrong with change. However, it's funny to hear this constant stuff from a school that has been stuck in an OOC matchup with another HBCU (i.e. their chance to "compete" with FCS) for YEARS and their other OOC game is usually a D-2 matchup OR a D-1 FBS matchup. Then the other has issues even scheduling games. I'm not downing either of their choices, but if you gonna talk the sh-t, SHOW the SH-T!

I can't talk about it because of where Southern is at this point. For US, and only US, it makes no sense to give up what amounts to almost 20% of our athletic budget for a CHANCE at something. If you think we are behind them now, I wouldn't want to see SU's opportunity without the current budget. That's not fear and that's not "we can't compete" That's REALITY.

For years, I have beat this same statement about the MEAC and many Louisiana Southland schools in terms of the playoffs .... They are NOT COMPETING! They are just at the party, standing on the wall, apart of something they cannot do anything about UNTIL they improve their programs individually. When Southern can get to THAT point, I have NO issue with smashing any and all, but reality says we are not there yet.
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So the problem is the messenger? If it was another school saying it then you (and others) would be okay?! :tup:

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jstate83 said:
Oh........... So you can **snicker** and laugh at others but if anyone calls out our OWN bullshat, you got a problem. Lets not forget the usual played out, 1960's mentality UNCLE TOM, Clarence Thomas, YT crap that spews also. :lol:

Blinded by the SWAC crap as usual and RIGHT ON QUE as usual defending our on bullshat. I love it..........Sitting in one spot thinking your shat smell like $1000 perfume. You Louisana posting, SWAC office but kissing fools make me laugh so hard, my side is about to split. :lol:
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Funny, no where in this thread can you show ME laughing at anyone. However, WE all knew that you would be coming to bring the SWAC into this discussion when it wasn't even about us and "right on cue", YOU did.
 



southsuburbs said:
So the problem is the messenger? If it was another school saying it then you (and others) would be okay?! :tup:

:lol:
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That's my issue. My personal issue. One of the main ones who goes on this tangent every single time something close to this comes up is a representative of a school that (a) helped give us the image we have nationally (b) has done nothing themselves since the conference left the playoffs to improve the conference or his own's school image within FCS nationally.

As for the big issue, we all agree the SWAC needs to improve. We just disagree on how it should be done.

So, to answer your question, if that messenger was a school that was where we are and has done the things that he appears to want the conference to aspire to, then YES, I would pay more attention to that person's viewpoint. The old "Don't TELL me, SHOW ME principle.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
There is NOTHING wrong with change. However, it's funny to hear this constant stuff from a school that has been stuck in an OOC matchup with another HBCU (i.e. their chance to "compete" with FCS) for YEARS and their other OOC game is usually a D-2 matchup OR a D-1 FBS matchup. Then the other has issues even scheduling games. I'm not downing either of their choices, but if you gonna talk the sh-t, SHOW the SH-T!

I can't talk about it because of where Southern is at this point. For US, and only US, it makes no sense to give up what amounts to almost 20% of our athletic budget for a CHANCE at something. If you think we are behind them now, I wouldn't want to see SU's opportunity without the current budget. That's not fear and that's not "we can't compete" That's REALITY.

For years, I have beat this same statement about the MEAC and many Louisiana Southland schools in terms of the playoffs .... They are NOT COMPETING! They are just at the party, standing on the wall, apart of something they cannot do anything about UNTIL they improve their programs individually. When Southern can get to THAT point, I have NO issue with smashing any and all, but reality says we are not there yet.
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You can't dance on the dance floor until you go to the party.

Y'all are too lazy to get off your asses and go to the party. Then try to make fun of the people at the party standing on the wall.

You've got to make an effort. Get off your asses and go to the party, dammit! You never know. A pretty girl might ask you to dance and, after a while, you learn how to get good at it. :)

But, you'll never get there sitting at home talking about you don't know how to dance.

You gotta make an effort. Even if it's baby steps. Believe in yourself and make an effort.
 
southsuburbs said:
So the problem is the messenger? If it was another school saying it then you (and others) would be okay?! :tup:

:lol:
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One other thing .... it's funny from that whole post, THIS is the only thing you picked up.

Hell, just answer this and I'll be done with this .... how is Jackson State or Prairie View (since those seem to be the two forces on this side in this thread) pushing to become more prominent in FCS discussions?

<<<<------- I'll wait over there. I've got time.
 
SUJagFan said:
You can't dance on the dance floor until you go to the party.

Y'all are too lazy to get off your asses and go to the party. Then try to make fun of the people at the party standing on the wall.

You've got to make an effort. Get off your asses and go to the party, dammit! You never know. A pretty girl might ask you to dance and, after a while, you learn how to get good at it. :)

But, you'll never get there sitting at home talking about you don't know how to dance.

You gotta make an effort. Even if it's baby steps. Believe in yourself and make an effort.
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There's a difference though. Everybody does not have to go to the party. Some may not want to at a particular time (i.e. ME) They may want to be more prepared before they step up. By the sounds of it, some just want to be in the building (i.e I assume YOU and the other few in here) because YOU ARE NOT READY and my issue is that YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO GET READY either!

It's fine if you want that. Great, go for it. BUT ACT LIKE IT. If that's really what you want, then YOU GO GET IT and STOP WORRYING ABOUT ANYONE ELSE. Some of us know where we are at and realize that we have work to do before we get there. Others "SEEM" to just to say they were there because from looking in, they aren't ready either. I could be wrong.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
I can't talk about it because of where Southern is at this point. For US, and only US, it makes no sense to give up what amounts to almost 20% of our athletic budget for a CHANCE at something. If you think we are behind them now, I wouldn't want to see SU's opportunity without the current budget. That's not fear and that's not "we can't compete" That's REALITY.
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That's the thing. These internet swacpage ADs that post on here don't deal in reality. All they want is a chance to enter the playoffs, come hell or high water, at any and all cost. But in the real world, with real dollars, and real expenses and budgets, our schools don't get to function in the fantasy world that the internet ADs do.

btw, its the SWAC office's fault that the Southern Conference lost the PBS deal. :scared:
 
mighty hornet said:
That's the thing. These internet swacpage ADs that post on here don't deal in reality. All they want is a chance to enter the playoffs, come hell or high water, at any and all cost. But in the real world, with real dollars, and real expenses and budgets, our schools don't get to function in the fantasy world that the internet ADs do.

btw, its the SWAC office's fault that the Southern Conference lost the PBS deal. :scared:
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mighty hornet said:
That's the thing. These internet swacpage ADs that post on here don't deal in reality. All they want is a chance to enter the playoffs, come hell or high water, at any and all cost. But in the real world, with real dollars, and real expenses and budgets, our schools don't get to function in the fantasy world that the internet ADs do.

btw, its the SWAC office's fault that the Southern Conference lost the PBS deal. :scared:
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90% of u people are ill-equipped for logical & rational thought processes :D. WEB Dubois was 101% dead on.

I've alluded to PV's issue & why it won't succeed too much OOC. However, what I find most amazing from some of u blacks is that I asked a very simple question about the swac hq's rev stream(s) & some of u returned to ur peep's native ways & u conveniently 4got u were capable of providing a rational & logical answer w/ ur brain....rotff....lmao :bawling: duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol
 
JR said:
Frat. Ain't none of FCS deals worth a isht. Again I am not saying we shouldn't try to get better deals. But we got that million pound elephant called FBS ball that is getting bigger and bigger that is pushing FCS ball right off TV. I don't know what else can be done. You can't put a gun to ESPN's head and say you will televise our arses. Same for the other major networks. This country just don't care about FCS football as a whole. Even graduates of a lot of those programs do not. We are in the minority in FCS ball that really go to games. That's why we lead in attendance. Since there are no FBS level HBCUs, all we have is FCS. For them white folks, they have FBS level schools they choose to affiliate with even if they graduated from a FCS school. They all want to be big time except a handful of schools. I imagine Montana, Delaware, and other FCS schools that are the flagship schools of their small states have decent TV deals in their region since they have no FBS level schools/conferences dominating their state or region.

We as the SWAC should have done our due diligence like Boise State and other former 1-AA programs in the late 80s and early 90s to make the move to 1A now FBS. I am telling you now. Watch how some of these FCS power schools start making the move up now that they are getting kicked around and off TV like the rest of FCS. Would not shock me in 10 years that the schools like Delaware and Montana make that move to a FBS lower tier conference. Especially with all the movement you see now anyway. After awhile even Villanova is going to have to leave FCS ball even though they are a basketball school and move up. UCONN did. So in saying all that. It aint just the SWAC sitting on it's arse so to speak. We just have missed the boat to make a move. Now we got to do the best we can FINANCIALLY to get strong before even attempting to do something out the box. Again that is not saying we do nothing. But our schools have work to improve our situations across the board. It is not going to be an overnight wave of the magic wand and be the new SWAC. Our Presidents are looking at empty pockets across the board. We all talk that isht on this board. But I bet everyone of our Presidents/Chancellors will tell you, show me the money and we can do some things. I can't blame these current Presidents because none of them were in charge when things were going good. Those mofos are all retired, dead, or gone to other jobs. These Presidents have to deal with our mad arses and non giving arses wanting to be big time and shed our ineptness of years past. Meanwhile they are again looking at empty bank accounts and barely making ends meet. The one thing TP and I have agreed on was we should have moved up as a conference or gotten with other HBCUs who probably could have made the move back in the day. But there was never any plans or forward thinking to do any of that back then. So we are paying for it now. Duer Sharp and our current leadership at our schools didn't cause these problems. They are just mired in it and have no backing to change the game now. We got work to do is all I can say and it will not be a quick fix.
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I agree with this, but we have to hold our current leadership responsible for crafting a vision for each schools alumni to buy into and support.
 
JROCK said:
That's it in a nut shell and lot of these dummies just sit back and criticize without knowing facts or turning a blind eye to them. The other dynamic that is working is declining HBCU enrollments and increase of black enrollment at PWC which translated into state subsidies (athletic fees inclusive) increases at PWC. I have been watching the diversity in education data for the last several years and slowly but surely PWC graduation of our students are increasing and HBCU declining and losing position. For example, I have seen Southern slide from #3 in the country to number 13.
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But I attribute much of the HBCU attendance slide to our administrations standing pat while PWCs were seeing our college ready kids as a growth market. Just like U of PHX ATTACKED working AA adults wanting to go back to school as a growth market. In todays market place, if you are standing still, you are falling behind.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
One other thing .... it's funny from that whole post, THIS is the only thing you picked up.

Hell, just answer this and I'll be done with this .... how is Jackson State or Prairie View (since those seem to be the two forces on this side in this thread) pushing to become more prominent in FCS discussions?

<<<<------- I'll wait over there. I've got time.
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I read the whole post, basically all you said was you were scared to step out and take a chance. I didn't see a need to comment on you being afraid since you probably already know how sad that sounds.

Don't know PV's view...but JSU, hopefully Dr. Meyers will see the light and understand that we are bigger than this and need to move forward. :lol: I'm sure she starting to see how backwards this conference is with the whole SCG ban vote by Presidents of Universities that knew for sure they would be in APR trouble the next year. :retard: :emlaugh:
 
We go over this over and over. The bottom line is that people on this board are in the minority of their own alumni and fan's opinion of the playoffs. That's why nothing is getting done on that end. Simple as that. There is no outrage from the masses of SWAC fans and alums to their respective Presidents and ADs that we need compete in the FCS playoffs and get rid of the SCG. All we have collectively shown is that when we play a PWC even at home. We don't show up as we do when we play each other.

As for folks saying not trying with the budgets we have and comparing the FBS level budgets. We all know budgets will never be equal on any level with every school or even conference. So I get that. I also get what JRock is saying as well. We are barely staying afloat where as Montana and App State are not. Sure Bama has more money than Boise State. But the difference is Boise State aint broke. They have decent enough stadium and facilities to recruit kids who may not be at the level of recruit that Saban and Bama can get. But Boise has ENOUGH money to play those bigger schools and they will PACK their stadiums no matter who shows up. And if you dare venture to their stadium at the wrong time of the year, you may get your arse handed to you. So yeah while budgets can be huge in difference on the FBS level. Those schools are still FBS level schools. So they can also get kids that were borderline FCS/FBS level kids as well as some that are legit FBS kids. We got a lot of reasons why the MEAC and SWAC have not done well out of conference against FCS level opponents that are not HBCUs. We only recruit whatever black athlete that we can get. Maybe a white kid here or there. The other FCS schools have a mix. They have better coaching staffs overall. I will not go into every detail why our record is crap out of conference. But it is what it is.

Now going forward if so many people on here are pissed about our direction. Why haven't any of you started a coalition of like minded alums at your respective schools and go to your leadership and demand some improvements. Be prepared to bring your checkbook when you get there as well. That's what those schools who are competing and WINNING on the FCS level alums and fans are doing. You better believe if Northern Iowa needs something within reason they will get it done. Same for App State, Delaware, Montana schools and Dakota schools that have invested in their programs to excel. We sit around and argue on a sports board and do nothing at our schools. The administrations have no reason to change if they think no one is interested or see no financial opportunity to do so. Folks getting mad with each other on here like folks are in charge of making it happen at our respective schools.

Get out and run for your National Alumni Presidency or at least local chapter office and then take your message to the masses and then to your school leadership. Sitting back hoping your leadership has some epiphany and just say we are going to do this is just wishful thinking. Hoping your school leaves this conference when your own powers that be are not upset with the conference is more wishful thinking.

Then I laugh when folks get mad with SU and Gram. If the BC moves their date and they cancel the SCG. Would folks really be happy? Would the masses of SWAC fans shout from the mountain top and say free at last? Would our conference automatically get better? We go to the NCAA basketball tourney every year. No restrictions. Has that helped us get better? Have we hired better coaches? Have we recruited better players? Did we capitalize on SU's win in the tourney and JSU's win in the NIT and not to mention TxSU's near win over Arkansas? Did that translate into better basketball play from the SWAC or did we get worse. I say this as a reminder that just allowing the chance to compete is not the only answer. And lets be real, some of our schools will be struggling to make those trips to Montana in the playoffs. I am not saying we never try. I am just saying we need to get our houses in order first and build up our infrastructure to not only just go to the dance. But to do some damage when we get there. We also have this mentality it is just good to be there. Moral victories don't count in the win column. So if we are going to compete the right way, our schools need a plan and it's more than just showing up at the dance hoping you get lucky and dance with the pretty gal. You need have devised a method to your madness before you arrive. That way not only do you get to dance with the pretty gal, you also get the everything the pretty gal has to offer. LOL. Translation for those who are not following me. You play to win the game. Thanks Herm.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
There's a difference though. Everybody does not have to go to the party. Some may not want to at a particular time (i.e. ME) They may want to be more prepared before they step up. By the sounds of it, some just want to be in the building (i.e I assume YOU and the other few in here) because YOU ARE NOT READY and my issue is that YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO GET READY either!

It's fine if you want that. Great, go for it. BUT ACT LIKE IT. If that's really what you want, then YOU GO GET IT and STOP WORRYING ABOUT ANYONE ELSE. Some of us know where we are at and realize that we have work to do before we get there. Others "SEEM" to just to say they were there because from looking in, they aren't ready either. I could be wrong.
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Brother, I respect you because at least you're honest.

You don't want to do any better.

Sad, but honest.
 



FAMU CLIFF said:
I agree with this, but we have to hold our current leadership responsible for crafting a vision for each schools alumni to buy into and support.
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Exactly Cliff. We have to pressure our leadership. This forum is good for venting our frustrations. But now we need to do something about it.
 
FAMU CLIFF said:
But I attribute much of the HBCU attendance slide to our administrations standing pat while PWCs were seeing our college ready kids as a growth market. Just like U of PHX ATTACKED working AA adults wanting to go back to school as a growth market. In todays market place, if you are standing still, you are falling behind.
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I see it as all of our schools are scared to compete and go against the grain of thinking....SWAC administrations have no interest in winning anything other than a SWAC title our president Meyers talked about it as her plan for the future at the alumni meeting last year but we havent heard anything since but we are in the process of pushing enrollment more....But Bad Administration and an Old Way of thinking leads to defeatist attitudes....Its impossible to expect folks to think different if they are used to saying they cant...The white man has surely done a number on our HBCU system...
 
southsuburbs said:
I read the whole post, basically all you said was you were scared to step out and take a chance. I didn't see a need to comment on you being afraid since you probably already know how sad that sounds.

Don't know PV's view...but JSU, hopefully Dr. Meyers will see the light and understand that we are bigger than this and need to move forward. :lol: I'm sure she starting to see how backwards this conference is with the whole SCG ban vote by Presidents of Universities that knew for sure they would be in APR trouble the next year. :retard: :emlaugh:
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She ain't going to do it unless She gets a commitment from your alums that they support her move. Because it is going to cost money. Hell the first move is to cancel the SCG all together if the conference wants to go to the playoffs. Now if that doesn't happen and Dr Meyers and JSU alums are pissed off about it. Then it is going to cost you guys dollars to move to another conference or be independent. So that means again, she will have to get a commitment on some money from somewhere to do that. Unless you guys are sitting on a pile of money. You can see how hard it is for some of the bigger schools to pay their exit fee and entrance fee to another conference. Not cheap. But it starts with each schools alums. The question JSU alums on this board should ask at their next National Conference is how many of the alums want to see a playoff JSU? If you can rally your money alums to agree with what is being said on here and then commit to it. Then it might happen. But if the majority of your alums don't care. Why should your President or AD? We always expect our leaders to do something on their own. Well we all know that aint the case. Look at the FBS level Presidents. It took a lot of pressure for them to even agree on a 4 team playoffs. And they only did that when they saw the $$$$$ and realized they couldn't stay in their box any longer. LOL. But make no mistake about it. They had full support from their money alums before they made any decisions. We are no different. Just on a smaller level. We have to remember these Presidents are not always sports minded and have bigger fish to fry than just athletics. So they need a push from alums and the ADs to look at the big picture. Just saying.
 
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JR said:
She ain't going to do it unless She gets a commitment from your alums that they support her move. Because it is going to cost money. Hell the first move is to cancel the SCG all together if the conference wants to go to the playoffs. Now if that doesn't happen and Dr Meyers and JSU alums are pissed off about it. Then it is going to cost you guys dollars to move to another conference or be independent. So that means again, she will have to get a commitment on some money from somewhere to do that. Unless you guys are sitting on a pile of money. You can see how hard it is for some of the bigger schools to pay their exit fee and entrance fee to another conference. Not cheap. But it starts with each schools alums. The question JSU alums on this board should ask at their next National Conference is how many of the alums want to see a playoff JSU? If you can rally your money alums to agree with what is being said on here and then commit to it. Then it might happen. But if the majority of your alums don't care. Why should your President or AD? We always expect our leaders to do something on their own. Well we all know that aint the case. Look at the FBS level Presidents. It took a lot of pressure for them to even agree on a 4 game playoffs. And they only did that when they saw the $$$$$ and realized they couldn't stay in their box any longer. LOL. But make no mistake about it. They had full support from their money alums before they made any decisions. We are no different. Just on a smaller level. We have to remember these Presidents are not always sports minded and have bigger fish to fry than just athletics. So they need a push from alums and the ADs to look at the big picture. Just saying.
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I understand all that, it's been discussed plenty of times and I don't think anyone is saying it will be an easy thing to do or that it will be successful in the beginning. But at the end of the day what we are doing right now aint working, makes no sense to ME.

And I know the "usual suspects" are going to come in and tell us we have no right think outside of the Box and that we need to just accept what we are given and be happy. :happydance:
 
I cannot say 2 much at the moment as I'm on a phone typing but I promise u as soon as I hit a keyboard, I'll do my best 2 B as disrespectful 2 some of ur thought processes as possible. It's ridiculous, the mindset. It's quite shallow, the desire not to jump in the mainstream & seek betterment while maintaining the status quo. Some of u graduated from "the black school," how pitiful it sounds. How pitiful how some of u seem to wholly embrace & embellish that primitive mindset. That's the rationale 4 d disconnect w/ d youngers who know nothing but betterment & diversity AND y they don't choose hbcus as primary. Afterall, who in their right mind wants to attend d "black school?" :retard:
( no worries, i know it's above 90% of u peoples intellectual ability, my prev assertions) :emlaugh: :bawling: :emlaugh:
 
Panther88 said:
I cannot say 2 much at the moment as I'm on a phone typing but I promise u as soon as I hit a keyboard, I'll do my best 2 B as disrespectful 2 some of ur thought processes as possible. It's ridiculous, the mindset. It's quite shallow, the desire not to jump in the mainstream & seek betterment while maintaining the status quo. Some of u graduated from "the black school," how pitiful it sounds. How pitiful how some of u seem to wholly embrace & embellish that primitive mindset. That's the rationale 4 d disconnect w/ d youngers who know nothing but betterment & diversity AND y they don't choose hbcus as primary. Afterall, who in their right mind wants to attend d "black school?" :retard:
( no worries, i know it's above 90% of u peoples intellectual ability, my prev assertions) :emlaugh: :bawling: :emlaugh:
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We may as well go D2 because we are going backwards instead of forward with the thinking thats going on in this conference...
 
southsuburbs said:
I read the whole post, basically all you said was you were scared to step out and take a chance. I didn't see a need to comment on you being afraid since you probably already know how sad that sounds.

Don't know PV's view...but JSU, hopefully Dr. Meyers will see the light and understand that we are bigger than this and need to move forward. :lol: I'm sure she starting to see how backwards this conference is with the whole SCG ban vote by Presidents of Universities that knew for sure they would be in APR trouble the next year. :retard: :emlaugh:
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Scared? You really didn't get anything from that then. Scared is NEVER wanting to do it. Properly preparing yourself is what I propose and you nor anyone else has answered my question .... HOW ARE YOU PREPARING TO DO THIS since y'all like to talk so much?
 
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