So what do you think of Joel Osteen not letting any flood victims in his expensive church?


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Who ya rootin' for? PVU
He said it was flooded and he will pray for my Houston peeps...

Joel Osteen, famed pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, is defending himself after facing criticism on social media for not offering shelter at the megachurch to victims of Hurricane Harvey.

In a post on Twitter Saturday, Osteen said he was praying for those affected by the storm, which has dumped 20 to 40 inches of rain on the Houston area alone, with more on the way.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/joel-osteen-faces-criticism-social-media-closing-houston/story?id=49480146


people are wild, they went in on twitter, wow

 



This whole situation is crazy. Everyone that can help should have helped. No excuses. Now on the other hand, wasn't public financing used to help build NRG stadium? And it's doors were locked as well. I'm not in any way defending Joel but I'm just looking at the entire situation....look at who people want to tear down first chance they get if a misstep is made. Yes the church should play a part to take care of it's people but isn't a place that the public finances be open to help the public as well?
 
The Founder said:
Fuck Joel Olsten...I bet his pockets are fat. As they say, the pastor drives a Mercedez and the members walking to church.
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Pretty much. He stated that he used the church platform to jump his income w/ his book and personal sales lol.

In that church's defense though... it takes a LOT to be certified as a red cross approved shelter. I'm not sure if their church went through all the proper protocols to handle such a situation (approved on-site medical care, security, 24x7 volunteers, et al logistics). One would think w/ a church of that size and income though, being a shelter during a time of crisis would've been @ the forefront and all the logistics/paperwork already taken care of.
 
Bewildered said:
Pretty much. He stated that he used the church platform to jump his income w/ his book and personal sales lol.

In that church's defense though... it takes a LOT to be certified as a red cross approved shelter. I'm not sure if their church went through all the proper protocols to handle such a situation (approved on-site medical care, security, 24x7 volunteers, et al logistics). One would think w/ a church of that size and income though, being a shelter during a time of crisis would've been @ the forefront and all the logistics/paperwork already taken care of.
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I understand....but you don't have to be a certified Red Cross Shelter to help people. This cracker has enough money to fund a feeding shelter out of his pocket. Fuck Joel Olsten.
 
They had 8 people who rode it out in the building. The outcry started Sunday morning DURING the time the surrounding streets were flooded. Dude with the video and pics went out there Monday afternoon after waters had receded. No different than my street that was flooded Sunday morning but had no water by Monday morning.

Add to that the fact that the majority of the church staff had to deal with their own homes or streets flooding. They couldn't have gotten there before late Monday if at all.
 
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I understand....but you don't have to be a certified Red Cross Shelter to help people. This cracker has enough money to fund a feeding shelter out of his pocket. Fuck Joel Olsten.
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Logic says you are right, Found. But realistically, if they didn't have a plan in place for something of that magnitude and size, how could they pull it off in such a short time frame w/out proper planning and execution? I'm not disagreeing w/ you and others. I have no feelings for olsteen-money-machine and his fleecing of dummies that he's pimping. :) At the same time though, it's not my position to judge him negatively for using dummies w/ voluntarily open coin purses the way he does. :D
 
Bewildered said:
Logic says you are right, Found. But realistically, if they didn't have a plan in place for something of that magnitude and size, how could they pull it off in such a short time frame w/out proper planning and execution? I'm not disagreeing w/ you and others. I have no feelings for olsteen-money-machine and his fleecing of dummies that he's pimping. :) At the same time though, it's not my position to judge him negatively for using dummies w/ voluntarily open coin purses the way he does. :D
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I feel you. Which you are right a plan should be in place. Yet, as a pastor in the very community that is affected his comments sound very discouraging. I would not be a member after those comments.
 
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I feel you. Which you are right a plan should be in place. Yet, as a pastor in the very community that is affected his comments sound very discouraging. I would not be a member after those comments.
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You are 100% correct. You and I have spiritually inspired common sense and logic, as do a number of others who see this shame for what it is. Most of the dummies following that dummy do not. :D Pray for them lol.
 
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I feel you. Which you are right a plan should be in place. Yet, as a pastor in the very community that is affected his comments sound very discouraging. I would not be a member after those comments.
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After what comments? He only stated that he was praying for the city (during the worst parts of the storm).
 
goodolebrave said:
This whole situation is crazy. Everyone that can help should have helped. No excuses. Now on the other hand, wasn't public financing used to help build NRG stadium? And it's doors were locked as well. I'm not in any way defending Joel but I'm just looking at the entire situation....look at who people want to tear down first chance they get if a misstep is made. Yes the church should play a part to take care of it's people but isn't a place that the public finances be open to help the public as well?
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I get your point but NRG and Olsteen Ministries (a.k.a. Lakewood Church) do not have the same mission statement.
 
The Founder said:
Only??? He is a pastor of a mega church and a millionaire.

See this is where Christians and bullshit hit the road. Prayer without action is useless.
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:D Get olsteen's-money-making-machine ass Found. :D You're on him and his non-chrisshun' ass like white on rice. Pun intended. :D
 
The Founder said:
I understand....but you don't have to be a certified Red Cross Shelter to help people. This cracker has enough money to fund a feeding shelter out of his pocket. Fuck Joel Olsten.
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And since we ALWAYS want to be fair...I said the same thing about Shelton Bady and Harvest Time Church on Imperial Valley when Greenspoint flooded a couple of years ago. He was standing behind Sylvester nodding his head to what the mayor was saying but (to my knowledge) HIS building was not open to house those dislocated by the flooding....not even temporarily. He ALLOWED the handing out of water and other necessities from their property but no housing people in the building(s).
 



jag4life said:
They had 8 people who rode it out in the building. The outcry started Sunday morning DURING the time the surrounding streets were flooded. Dude with the video and pics went out there Monday afternoon after waters had receded. No different than my street that was flooded Sunday morning but had no water by Monday morning.

Add to that the fact that the majority of the church staff had to deal with their own homes or streets flooding. They couldn't have gotten there before late Monday if at all.
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This is an excuse
 
The Founder said:
I feel you. Which you are right a plan should be in place. Yet, as a pastor in the very community that is affected his comments sound very discouraging. I would not be a member after those comments.
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Y'all do not realize he moved from the original location in East Houston (in an area of mainly low income residents) and I can only imagine why that move was made. Another person IV Hilliard purchased that property and he is as detached as Olsteen.
 
pvdogteam said:
He said it was flooded and he will pray for my Houston peeps...

Joel Osteen, famed pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, is defending himself after facing criticism on social media for not offering shelter at the megachurch to victims of Hurricane Harvey.

In a post on Twitter Saturday, Osteen said he was praying for those affected by the storm, which has dumped 20 to 40 inches of rain on the Houston area alone, with more on the way.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/joel-osteen-faces-criticism-social-media-closing-houston/story?id=49480146


people are wild, they went in on twitter, wow

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Let Osteen pray, prayer is his "bread and butter" his "moneymaker." Why pray now, the damage is done? Osteen should dial the Operator for information to get Jesus on the line.
 
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Only??? He is a pastor of a mega church and a millionaire.

See this is where Christians and bullshit hit the road. Prayer without action is useless.
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Prayer is suppose to inspire and invigorate a person to action. There is no magic genie! We are so screwed up.

After Jesus prayed He went into action. He never said I am going to pray for you and then left people to fend for themselves. He prayed and THEN fed the multitude. He prayed and THEN raised Lazarus. He prayed and THEN healed the leper...the blind man....Jarius' daughter....He prayed and THEN gave His life on the cross.

FOLLOW THE DAMN EXAMPLE!
 
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I think the logcial question here is whether folks who worked at the church could actually get access to the building at the height of the storm without endangering themselves?

I would imagine many of the staff members probably were having to deal with the affects of the storm at their own homes and in their neighborhoods.
 
Herbert77060 said:
Y'all do not realize he moved from the original location in East Houston (in an area of mainly low income residents) and I can only imagine why that move was made. Another person IV Hilliard purchased that property and he is as detached as Olsteen.
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Hilliard could have flown people out with his helicopters smh
 
I think everyone on here pretty much knows where I stand when it comes to God, Jesus, the Holy Bible and church. While I don't call myself a Christian (which means "Christ-like; I have such a long way to go before I can even fathom the idea of being like Him but I'm still working toward that goal), I do practice Christianity.

With that being said, first of all, the Bible tells us that faith without works is dead. Prayer is talking/communing with or to God, and it is not useless UNLESS it is done without a clean, pure heart, done so like the hypocrites Jesus talked about in Matthew, and/or when it is not in alignment with God's will. Prayer is so very powerful (when done as outlined by Jesus), it has the ability to save/heal those who are sick (as stated in the book of James). Prayer does what we cannot do and goes where we cannot go. I am here in Arkansas. I have a child in Houston. I am unable to get to her. But from the time before she was born up to this very moment, I have stayed in prayer for my children. My pastor, my church, my family, my friends, even people on the forums have prayed for the safety of my child. And it was and is the fervent, effectual, sincere prayers of the those in the faith that have reached the ears of the Lord. My child, who has no car and has to walk or take buses, is in a safe place with NO flooding! No action other than prayer was taken, and I thank and praise God that He once again answered and holds my child (both of my children) safe in His arms.

Now about Osteen and Lakewood. If he was "shamed" into opening up, so be it. No, a building does not necessarily have to be declared a shelter; however, if medical care/services are provided, in addition to counseling, yes, it does. And the facility may have to be registered with FEMA or other federal agencies (I'm not sure). I don't know if Lakewood meets those (if any) qualifications; however, I'm guessing that liability may have been a factor triggering the late response. Regardless, the building is now open. I'm not siding with Osteen; I'ma let God be God and let Him take responsibility for judgment. But I'm wondering: will those same folks who called him a hypocrite for not opening Lakewood come in to volunteer and bring supplies and make donations? Or will they simply be hypocrites bashing another hypocrite?

Be glad Lakewood is open. Now folks can go in and volunteer and help those in need. As we say at my church, "Don't talk about it; be about it!"
 
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