mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
HBCUs losing football scholarships
A&M 1
FAMU 6
Hampton 3
PV 5
Schools Losing Scholarships
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HBCUs losing football scholarships
A&M 1
FAMU 6
Hampton 3
PV 5
the band fan
Baseball Fan
APR is much deeper than GPAs...you would be amazed on how schools can lose a scholarship even if a player has a 3.0
we need general studies
we need general studies
GramUntilDeath
Grambling St. #1 FAN
mighty hornet said:
The just got scholarships and now they are getting ready to lose 5 alreaady??????? Hell if they keep this up back to square one it could be... :smh: :smh: :smh: :smh: :smh: :smh: :smh:
I would have thought that FAMU would have lost more..
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
I'm thinking that the 6 listed for FAMU are separate from their other sanctions.gramuntildeath said:
Golden Kitten
Member
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2349787
Few big names to lose scholarships based on APR
ESPN.com news services
Few big-name schools will lose scholarships as a result of the Academic Progress Rates report released Wednesday.
The NCAA said that 99 Division I sports teams at 65 colleges and universities -- or less than 2 percent of 6,112 Division I sports teams nationwide -- will lose scholarships for poor scholastic performance by their student-athletes.
In Division I-A football, Temple (9), New Mexico State (6), Toledo (6) Hawaii (5), Middle Tennessee (5), Western Michigan (5) Buffalo (3) and Northern Illinois (2) were penalized.
"You've got to bring in kids that not only want to make it to the NFL, but also want to graduate and get their degree," first-year Middle Tennessee coach Rick Stockstill told ESPN. "If a kid just wants to graduate and not make it to the NFL, I'm not interested. If he wants the NFL and not the degree, I'm not interested. You have to do a good job in evaluating. We're getting out of the Prop 48 business."
In Division I basketball, Cal-Poly (2), Centenary (2), East Carolina (2), Hampton (2), Jacksonville (2), Kent State (2), Maryland Eastern Shore (2), New Mexico State (2), South Carolina State (2), Texas State (2), Sacramento State (1), DePaul (1), Florida A&M (1), Lousiana Lafayette (1), Louisiana-Monroe (1), Louisiana Tech (1) and Prarie View (1) were penalized.
First-year New Mexico State coach Reggie Theus told ESPN.com that it wasn't fair that a new coach gets penalized for past transgressions. The Aggies will lose two scholarships, a decision Theus said NMSU appealed to no avail. He will have to take off the scholarships from his maximum 13 for next season.
"There's got to be some sort of grace period to see if there is improvement [for new coaches] before you get hit with a penalty," Theus said Wednesday. "We've got a new AD, a new president, new programs that we've implemented and you would think we could get at least one of those penalties rescinded. But we didn't.
"We'll survive it," Theus said. "But for new coaches it puts you behind the eight ball."
One of the programs hit hardest was Florida A&M, which loses scholarships in baseball (1.07), football (8), men's basketball (1), men's swimming (0.99) and women's swimming (1.23).
The NCAA said that the loss of eight football scholarships will be separate and in addition to penalties previously leveled against Florida A&M. Charged with a lack of institutional control, Florida A&M was put on probation for four years with a loss of 30 scholarships, including 14 over the next four seasons.
Of the 99 sports teams that will lose scholarships, 90 are men's teams and 9 are women's teams. The majority are in three sports: football (23), baseball (21), and men's basketball (17).
As many as 350 Division I sports teams were in danger of penalties at this time last year. "We are encouraged by the response on many campuses to academic reform," said NCAA president Myles Brand. "The goal of academic reform is to improve academic behaviors and increase graduation, not unnecessarily penalize teams."
More serious consequences, which could include limits on postseason competition and restricted membership status, await teams that continue to academically under perform.
"The APR has become part of the athletics language; schools are incorporating the APR into their strategic plans and programming, and they are using it to hold coaches and other personnel accountable for student-athlete academic achievement," Brand said. "Significant attention is being paid to meeting the new standards, and I expect the next few years of APR data to reflect that focus."
For a team to lose a scholarship under the "contemporaneous penalty" portion of academic reform, a student-athlete must have failed academically and left the institution; and the team's APR must be below 925 (out of 1000).
The APR is calculated by measuring the academic eligibility and retention of student-athletes by team each term. Based on current data, an APR of 925 calculates to an approximate Graduation Success Rate of 60 percent.
Teams can lose up to 10 percent of scholarships each year allowed by NCAA rules. When a penalty is applied, a college or university may not re-award the scholarship of an ineligible student-athlete who left school to another student-athlete for one year.
Eight institutions have not yet completed the process for determining penalties under APR: Arizona State University; Northern Arizona University; San Diego State University; San Jose State University; Texas A&M University, College Station; University of Arizona; University of Kansas; and Tulane University.
Men's Basketball
Schools which will lose scholarships for poor scholastic performance under the terms of the Academic Progress Rates reform program:
School No.
Cal Poly 2
Centenary 2
East Carolina 2
Hampton 2
Jacksonville 2
Kent State 2
New Mexico St. 2
S. Carolina St. 2
Texas State 2
Mary.-Eastern Shore 2
DePaul 1
Florida A&M 1
Louisiana Tech 1
Prairie View 1
La.-Lafayette 1
La.-Monroe 1
Sacramento State 1
Information from ESPN's Joe Schad and Andy Katz was used in this report.
Few big names to lose scholarships based on APR
ESPN.com news services
Few big-name schools will lose scholarships as a result of the Academic Progress Rates report released Wednesday.
The NCAA said that 99 Division I sports teams at 65 colleges and universities -- or less than 2 percent of 6,112 Division I sports teams nationwide -- will lose scholarships for poor scholastic performance by their student-athletes.
In Division I-A football, Temple (9), New Mexico State (6), Toledo (6) Hawaii (5), Middle Tennessee (5), Western Michigan (5) Buffalo (3) and Northern Illinois (2) were penalized.
"You've got to bring in kids that not only want to make it to the NFL, but also want to graduate and get their degree," first-year Middle Tennessee coach Rick Stockstill told ESPN. "If a kid just wants to graduate and not make it to the NFL, I'm not interested. If he wants the NFL and not the degree, I'm not interested. You have to do a good job in evaluating. We're getting out of the Prop 48 business."
In Division I basketball, Cal-Poly (2), Centenary (2), East Carolina (2), Hampton (2), Jacksonville (2), Kent State (2), Maryland Eastern Shore (2), New Mexico State (2), South Carolina State (2), Texas State (2), Sacramento State (1), DePaul (1), Florida A&M (1), Lousiana Lafayette (1), Louisiana-Monroe (1), Louisiana Tech (1) and Prarie View (1) were penalized.
First-year New Mexico State coach Reggie Theus told ESPN.com that it wasn't fair that a new coach gets penalized for past transgressions. The Aggies will lose two scholarships, a decision Theus said NMSU appealed to no avail. He will have to take off the scholarships from his maximum 13 for next season.
"There's got to be some sort of grace period to see if there is improvement [for new coaches] before you get hit with a penalty," Theus said Wednesday. "We've got a new AD, a new president, new programs that we've implemented and you would think we could get at least one of those penalties rescinded. But we didn't.
"We'll survive it," Theus said. "But for new coaches it puts you behind the eight ball."
One of the programs hit hardest was Florida A&M, which loses scholarships in baseball (1.07), football (8), men's basketball (1), men's swimming (0.99) and women's swimming (1.23).
The NCAA said that the loss of eight football scholarships will be separate and in addition to penalties previously leveled against Florida A&M. Charged with a lack of institutional control, Florida A&M was put on probation for four years with a loss of 30 scholarships, including 14 over the next four seasons.
Of the 99 sports teams that will lose scholarships, 90 are men's teams and 9 are women's teams. The majority are in three sports: football (23), baseball (21), and men's basketball (17).
As many as 350 Division I sports teams were in danger of penalties at this time last year. "We are encouraged by the response on many campuses to academic reform," said NCAA president Myles Brand. "The goal of academic reform is to improve academic behaviors and increase graduation, not unnecessarily penalize teams."
More serious consequences, which could include limits on postseason competition and restricted membership status, await teams that continue to academically under perform.
"The APR has become part of the athletics language; schools are incorporating the APR into their strategic plans and programming, and they are using it to hold coaches and other personnel accountable for student-athlete academic achievement," Brand said. "Significant attention is being paid to meeting the new standards, and I expect the next few years of APR data to reflect that focus."
For a team to lose a scholarship under the "contemporaneous penalty" portion of academic reform, a student-athlete must have failed academically and left the institution; and the team's APR must be below 925 (out of 1000).
The APR is calculated by measuring the academic eligibility and retention of student-athletes by team each term. Based on current data, an APR of 925 calculates to an approximate Graduation Success Rate of 60 percent.
Teams can lose up to 10 percent of scholarships each year allowed by NCAA rules. When a penalty is applied, a college or university may not re-award the scholarship of an ineligible student-athlete who left school to another student-athlete for one year.
Eight institutions have not yet completed the process for determining penalties under APR: Arizona State University; Northern Arizona University; San Diego State University; San Jose State University; Texas A&M University, College Station; University of Arizona; University of Kansas; and Tulane University.
Men's Basketball
Schools which will lose scholarships for poor scholastic performance under the terms of the Academic Progress Rates reform program:
School No.
Cal Poly 2
Centenary 2
East Carolina 2
Hampton 2
Jacksonville 2
Kent State 2
New Mexico St. 2
S. Carolina St. 2
Texas State 2
Mary.-Eastern Shore 2
DePaul 1
Florida A&M 1
Louisiana Tech 1
Prairie View 1
La.-Lafayette 1
La.-Monroe 1
Sacramento State 1
Information from ESPN's Joe Schad and Andy Katz was used in this report.
nickderiso
TheDerisoReport.com
APR punishes the have-nots of college sports
By Pat Forde
ESPN.com
Now here is shocking news, ranking right up there with religious strife in the Middle East for sheer unexpectedness:
The NCAA's new Academic Progress Rates benefit the big-time schools and hurt the small timers.
That's the primary conclusion that can be drawn from the report released Wednesday. (There is no truth to the rumor that the letterhead on the report read, "NCAA: Of the rich, by the rich, for the rich.") The report trumpets the fact that less than 2 percent of NCAA sports teams nationwide will be penalized with scholarship reductions for poor academic performance.
That's swell. But look at the list of Division I schools that will be penalized and see if you notice a trend:
Football: Temple, Toledo, Middle Tennessee State, Western Michigan, Buffalo, New Mexico State, Northern Illinois, Hawaii.
See any Rose Bowl contenders in that group?
Basketball: Cal Poly, Centenary, East Carolina, Hampton, Jacksonville, Kent State, New Mexico State, South Carolina State, Texas State, Maryland Eastern Shore, DePaul, Florida A&M, Prairie View, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, Sacramento State.
See any programs that will find this report a distraction on the way to the Final Four?
This is a little like the old 1980s compliance joke, "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, it's going to give Cleveland State three more years' probation."
Here, we see that the NCAA is so serious about academic reform, it's going to take scholarships away from the dregs of Division I. Take that, Sac State!
There is exactly one school on this list that is a member of one of the six power conferences in Division I sports. (Paging the academic counselors at DePaul. Do you know where your basketball players are?) Everyone else belongs to a shoestring budget league.
...
Here's one wild guess as to a root cause: Money.
After one glance at the athletic operating budgets for the Dumb Two Dozen, I'm seeing red. Red ink. Everywhere. According to 2003-04 figures from the Chronicle of Higher Education, almost all these schools are losing millions of dollars on athletics.
MORE HERE:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colu...t&id=2350199&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines
By Pat Forde
ESPN.com
Now here is shocking news, ranking right up there with religious strife in the Middle East for sheer unexpectedness:
The NCAA's new Academic Progress Rates benefit the big-time schools and hurt the small timers.
That's the primary conclusion that can be drawn from the report released Wednesday. (There is no truth to the rumor that the letterhead on the report read, "NCAA: Of the rich, by the rich, for the rich.") The report trumpets the fact that less than 2 percent of NCAA sports teams nationwide will be penalized with scholarship reductions for poor academic performance.
That's swell. But look at the list of Division I schools that will be penalized and see if you notice a trend:
Football: Temple, Toledo, Middle Tennessee State, Western Michigan, Buffalo, New Mexico State, Northern Illinois, Hawaii.
See any Rose Bowl contenders in that group?
Basketball: Cal Poly, Centenary, East Carolina, Hampton, Jacksonville, Kent State, New Mexico State, South Carolina State, Texas State, Maryland Eastern Shore, DePaul, Florida A&M, Prairie View, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, Sacramento State.
See any programs that will find this report a distraction on the way to the Final Four?
This is a little like the old 1980s compliance joke, "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, it's going to give Cleveland State three more years' probation."
Here, we see that the NCAA is so serious about academic reform, it's going to take scholarships away from the dregs of Division I. Take that, Sac State!
There is exactly one school on this list that is a member of one of the six power conferences in Division I sports. (Paging the academic counselors at DePaul. Do you know where your basketball players are?) Everyone else belongs to a shoestring budget league.
...
Here's one wild guess as to a root cause: Money.
After one glance at the athletic operating budgets for the Dumb Two Dozen, I'm seeing red. Red ink. Everywhere. According to 2003-04 figures from the Chronicle of Higher Education, almost all these schools are losing millions of dollars on athletics.
MORE HERE:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colu...t&id=2350199&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines
the band fan
Baseball Fan
he's telling the truth......hard to judge schools when they each have different majors....most of the big schools throw the athletes in general studies (which isn't engineering) and you can't help but not pass while others don't have these majors to sneak people on
the band fan
Baseball Fan
in basketball at PV...their getting penalized for Jerome Francis who is not even there
Mr. Tiger
Mr. T
I remember when these rules were adopted by the NCAA and I was very concerned about the impact they would have on HBCUs. Here's what I don't like about them.
No. 1 -- I have never understood why we must hold athletes to a higher standard than the rest of the student body and that is actually what these rules do.
Student-athletes entering college are required to complete 40 percent of their degree requirements by the end of their second year under these new rules. I think that is unfair because student athletes have less time to take on a demand schedule of course work.
The general student body isn't held to this same standard. On top of that, these rules are really unfair to baseball programs because in baseball many players are drafted before their senior seasons and the school will be punished for that under these rules that evaluate graduation and retention.
What these rules will cause is more schools, including HBCUs, deciding against signing JUCOs, transfers, and prep school athletes and that hurts the product on the field and prevents some of these athletes who can graduate and play to have the opportunity to do so.
No. 1 -- I have never understood why we must hold athletes to a higher standard than the rest of the student body and that is actually what these rules do.
Student-athletes entering college are required to complete 40 percent of their degree requirements by the end of their second year under these new rules. I think that is unfair because student athletes have less time to take on a demand schedule of course work.
The general student body isn't held to this same standard. On top of that, these rules are really unfair to baseball programs because in baseball many players are drafted before their senior seasons and the school will be punished for that under these rules that evaluate graduation and retention.
What these rules will cause is more schools, including HBCUs, deciding against signing JUCOs, transfers, and prep school athletes and that hurts the product on the field and prevents some of these athletes who can graduate and play to have the opportunity to do so.
C-LeB28
Moderator
Prairie View A&M faces penalties
Low academic results also to hit Stephen F. Austin
By SAM KHAN JR.
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
RESOURCES
FOOTBALL LOSSES
The Division I-A football programs that will lose the most scholarships under the Academic Progress Rates program:
Temple 9
Toledo 6
Hawaii 5
Middle Tennessee State 5
Western Michigan 5
Prairie View A&M and Stephen F. Austin were among schools that received stiff penalties Wednesday from the NCAA for low academic performance.
The two schools are among 65 that failed to meet the NCAA's new academic standards. A total of 99 teams are affected under the Academic Progress Rate system and could see scholarship losses.
Prairie View was one of the most heavily sanctioned schools, with five sports that did not meet NCAA standards.
Prairie View could lose nearly 10 athletes and be penalized 5.3 scholarships in football. Stephen F. Austin could lose up to nine scholarships.
Stephen F. Austin is a Division I-AA school, and Prairie View A&M is Division I-AA in football.
Prairie View officials did not return a phone call seeking comment.
A total of 23 football teams were sanctioned, and baseball (21) and basketball (17) were just behind it as the sports most affected by the new rule.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3695395.html
Low academic results also to hit Stephen F. Austin
By SAM KHAN JR.
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
RESOURCES
FOOTBALL LOSSES
The Division I-A football programs that will lose the most scholarships under the Academic Progress Rates program:
Temple 9
Toledo 6
Hawaii 5
Middle Tennessee State 5
Western Michigan 5
Prairie View A&M and Stephen F. Austin were among schools that received stiff penalties Wednesday from the NCAA for low academic performance.
The two schools are among 65 that failed to meet the NCAA's new academic standards. A total of 99 teams are affected under the Academic Progress Rate system and could see scholarship losses.
Prairie View was one of the most heavily sanctioned schools, with five sports that did not meet NCAA standards.
Prairie View could lose nearly 10 athletes and be penalized 5.3 scholarships in football. Stephen F. Austin could lose up to nine scholarships.
Stephen F. Austin is a Division I-AA school, and Prairie View A&M is Division I-AA in football.
Prairie View officials did not return a phone call seeking comment.
A total of 23 football teams were sanctioned, and baseball (21) and basketball (17) were just behind it as the sports most affected by the new rule.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3695395.html
East Tex Tiger
Well-Known Member
Open admissions. This concept in itself guarantees a low graduation rate.
A lot of students enroll who are not college material. There are a lot of success stories also and because of the success stories I will think the concept is still viable.
My biggest concern is that these same people(success stories) are not more appreciative to the University. Joining the Alumni Association, giving back etc.
A lot of students enroll who are not college material. There are a lot of success stories also and because of the success stories I will think the concept is still viable.
My biggest concern is that these same people(success stories) are not more appreciative to the University. Joining the Alumni Association, giving back etc.
Golden Kitten said:
Man I could not disagree more with this statement. I don't care what anyone says. How the hell can you say you don't want a kid who doesn't want to go to the NFL if he can help play a role in your team being a winner? I know there is a lot of pressure put on coaches these days to produce winning teams, but NO coach should be held responsible for a player going to the NFL. Now if he has connections...great. But it should not be his responsibility.
D-NICE said:
Exactly!