JR, those are some excellent points. I would advise kids not to follow Biley's lead. As the story said, he knew Sam Walton. I wonder what would have happened if he did not know Sam. Sure, I am glad that he is in his present position as opppose to being on the streets. But I would advise him to get his degree, especially since he only needs three more hours. Some people will only hire someone if they (the person to be hired) have a degree. It may not always be fair, but it happens. Sure, he maybe doing all right now. But having a degree may help him later.
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Vinita
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Ken Biley is an exception, but obviously he is happy getting the isht worked out of him by Sam Walton. The rule looks more like Ron Huery, and that is not just at Arkansas. There are many colleges (Y'T and HBCU) that don't insure that their student-athletes are on the right track towards a degree.
John Thompson and Lon Chaney Jr. (yeah, I know that ain't his name, but he looks like a horror movie monster, so that's what I'm gonna call him) went the extra mile to make sure that their athletes were students, also. That is not a requirement for a college coach. Their job is to win games. The extra mile they go is something they do because they give a crap about the kids they are recruiting. Unfortunately, it is quite apparent that Nolan didn't have that in him.
I still don't fault him solely, because he didn't drop the ball alone as far as his graduation rates. That was a BIG BALL, and it was dropped by many hands. Sure, I had friends who changed their major once or twice, or even more than that in college; however, the way that they discovered that a major was possibly not for them was by GOING TO CLASS.
John Thompson and Lon Chaney Jr. (yeah, I know that ain't his name, but he looks like a horror movie monster, so that's what I'm gonna call him) went the extra mile to make sure that their athletes were students, also. That is not a requirement for a college coach. Their job is to win games. The extra mile they go is something they do because they give a crap about the kids they are recruiting. Unfortunately, it is quite apparent that Nolan didn't have that in him.
I still don't fault him solely, because he didn't drop the ball alone as far as his graduation rates. That was a BIG BALL, and it was dropped by many hands. Sure, I had friends who changed their major once or twice, or even more than that in college; however, the way that they discovered that a major was possibly not for them was by GOING TO CLASS.
JR
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Vinita,
I agree that others dropped the ball at Arkansas and that there are similar or worse stories at other PWC's. No doubt about it. Nolan is not the only one. Clem Haskins had issues too. My problem is that people say all the coach is suppose to do is win games. That is not true. However alot coaches use that as a cop out and to not do nothing but coach. Only the Pro coaches have that luxury. Eddie Robinson would be mortified if he heard other college coaches say I am only paid to win. These coaches have more responsibility than that. Same for HS or MS coaches. You are at a higher school of learning and you should act like it. What's so bad about it some of those coaches contract call for them to graduate a certain per cent of players. We all found out Notre Dame does. Sure you'll get fired if you lose games. That's why they get paid so much. In my book a coach has to do both. Win and enforce academic standards for his team. If you don't want to have some of that responsibility then go coach the in the Pros where they are all paid to do a job. This has been a good discussion. I think we all are concerned with the well being of our black athletes and coaches.
I agree that others dropped the ball at Arkansas and that there are similar or worse stories at other PWC's. No doubt about it. Nolan is not the only one. Clem Haskins had issues too. My problem is that people say all the coach is suppose to do is win games. That is not true. However alot coaches use that as a cop out and to not do nothing but coach. Only the Pro coaches have that luxury. Eddie Robinson would be mortified if he heard other college coaches say I am only paid to win. These coaches have more responsibility than that. Same for HS or MS coaches. You are at a higher school of learning and you should act like it. What's so bad about it some of those coaches contract call for them to graduate a certain per cent of players. We all found out Notre Dame does. Sure you'll get fired if you lose games. That's why they get paid so much. In my book a coach has to do both. Win and enforce academic standards for his team. If you don't want to have some of that responsibility then go coach the in the Pros where they are all paid to do a job. This has been a good discussion. I think we all are concerned with the well being of our black athletes and coaches.
Personally, I think the coach is partly responsible for the kid graduating, but mainly it's on the kid. At some point these kids have to stop being spoon fed, and get their acts together.
I think the freshman year the coach, along with the upperclassmen should emphasize the importance of education, and then it's time to let those kids fend for themselves. Afterall college is about becoming an adult, and after your freshman year, you should be acclimated enough to campus life, that you know what to do. I'm not saying the coach should close his doors, but these student athletes should know better.
In Nolan's defense, a lot of kids that are going to the larger schools, aren't interested in going to college for basketball anyway. I'd be interested to see how many of those kids left Arkansas early. It's a nationwide trend, if you get a kid to go to college to play ball, instead of opting for the NBA straight out of high school, how many actually stay until they're seniors?
Hell, the NBA is all but encouraging kids to skip college, they had an 18 year old be the number 1 pick overall, with 2 others picked in the top 5. Then if you're one of those kids that elects not to go to college, but don't get drafted, they've created the NBDL.
There, they don't have to worry about becoming academically eligible, they don't have to worry about going to class, and maintaining grades, and they draw a paycheck, something they won't legally get in school.
Who needs college, when the NBA makes is so easy for you to think you don't?
NICE
I think the freshman year the coach, along with the upperclassmen should emphasize the importance of education, and then it's time to let those kids fend for themselves. Afterall college is about becoming an adult, and after your freshman year, you should be acclimated enough to campus life, that you know what to do. I'm not saying the coach should close his doors, but these student athletes should know better.
In Nolan's defense, a lot of kids that are going to the larger schools, aren't interested in going to college for basketball anyway. I'd be interested to see how many of those kids left Arkansas early. It's a nationwide trend, if you get a kid to go to college to play ball, instead of opting for the NBA straight out of high school, how many actually stay until they're seniors?
Hell, the NBA is all but encouraging kids to skip college, they had an 18 year old be the number 1 pick overall, with 2 others picked in the top 5. Then if you're one of those kids that elects not to go to college, but don't get drafted, they've created the NBDL.
There, they don't have to worry about becoming academically eligible, they don't have to worry about going to class, and maintaining grades, and they draw a paycheck, something they won't legally get in school.
Who needs college, when the NBA makes is so easy for you to think you don't?
NICE
Dr. Mac
Player
I can support a kid going (or trying to go) to the NBA straight out of high school if that's what they want to do. I see that as no different than a kid playing Major League baseball. With the NBA starting developmental leagues, the CBA (if it still exists), and the other leagues around the world, this, to me, is akin to baseball's minor league. If that's their choice, so be it.
My issue with college 'ball (regardless of the type) is their institutionalize method of using these kids. And yes, I know these kids are allowing themselves to be used and in some cases think that they themselves are using the universities. However, again I state, many of these kids would not be considered by these schools as students in no way, shape or form if it wasn't for 'ball. I'm not saying that kids who have not achieved the grades in the past (i.e. high school) should not get an opportunity to better themselves educationally. However, either put a system in place that will give these kids a chance to succeed or allow them to go to a school, devoid of the pressures of playing ball, where they will be allowed a chance to succeed at a rate consistent with their capabilities. And all of us know that most of the major 'ball playing schools have admissions standards that the kids who are being victimized the most would not be able to meet.
The NCAA and their lower admission standards for athletes is a joke, and as far as I'm concern, its an organization that should be ashamed of themselves. College presidents and alumni and boosters who support these practices also should be. But its all about money. And as long as colleges benefit from this form of victimlization and as long as students and their parents allow themselves to be victims, it will continue to happen.
At least if a high schooler goes pro they have to pay him/her for services rendered. That's better than nothing. The responsibility for an college education ultimately rests with the student. But lets be real: these kids need guidance and sometimes a kick up the butt to make the right decisions, and most of them ain't getting this.
Regards.
My issue with college 'ball (regardless of the type) is their institutionalize method of using these kids. And yes, I know these kids are allowing themselves to be used and in some cases think that they themselves are using the universities. However, again I state, many of these kids would not be considered by these schools as students in no way, shape or form if it wasn't for 'ball. I'm not saying that kids who have not achieved the grades in the past (i.e. high school) should not get an opportunity to better themselves educationally. However, either put a system in place that will give these kids a chance to succeed or allow them to go to a school, devoid of the pressures of playing ball, where they will be allowed a chance to succeed at a rate consistent with their capabilities. And all of us know that most of the major 'ball playing schools have admissions standards that the kids who are being victimized the most would not be able to meet.
The NCAA and their lower admission standards for athletes is a joke, and as far as I'm concern, its an organization that should be ashamed of themselves. College presidents and alumni and boosters who support these practices also should be. But its all about money. And as long as colleges benefit from this form of victimlization and as long as students and their parents allow themselves to be victims, it will continue to happen.
At least if a high schooler goes pro they have to pay him/her for services rendered. That's better than nothing. The responsibility for an college education ultimately rests with the student. But lets be real: these kids need guidance and sometimes a kick up the butt to make the right decisions, and most of them ain't getting this.
Regards.
Blacknbengal
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*Momma!! Put your hand down! The teacher called on me!!*
Dr. Mac, the CBA does not exist anymore. Isiah Thomas bought up the league, but it folded when it the NBA started its minor league. Why didn't the NBA buy the CBA? I do not know. But I think that it is safe to say that most players in the minor league are not getting paid millions of dollars.
Anyway, your post is right on target. Understand that most of the schools we see play on TV have very high admissions standards. Most of the students, non-athletes, at these schools can get into most schools in the country through their academics.
I am not impressed by the NCAA standards either, especially with their use of the SAT score. Then again I am not the biggest fan of the test. But that is another subject.
Again your post was right on target.
Anyway, your post is right on target. Understand that most of the schools we see play on TV have very high admissions standards. Most of the students, non-athletes, at these schools can get into most schools in the country through their academics.
I am not impressed by the NCAA standards either, especially with their use of the SAT score. Then again I am not the biggest fan of the test. But that is another subject.
Again your post was right on target.
philharmonic
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I've ALWAYS hated the Razorbacks!!!! I ONLY followed the razorbacks because of Nolan!!!! I'm glad that he's not coaching up there!!! AND! If he came to UAPB, sad to say, He would get the same treatment here!!!
Our AD is a D*CK-HE*D!!!! Butt-muncher!!!:redhot:
Our AD is a D*CK-HE*D!!!! Butt-muncher!!!:redhot:
Da_Sperm
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JR,
I thought about what I had wrote after I wrote it. It is sad that Nolan has that type of graduation rate. BUT, on the other hand, how many white kids graduated under him. Are they any different than the blacks? Did he have a 0% graduation rate amoung white athletes? I don't think so. The blame should not be on the coach. The students MUST accept that he is in college to get a degree and not use college as a farm league for the NBA.
I got to thinking about the # of basketball players that got their degree at UAPB from 1988 to 1993, the time I was there. I would say the rate is 85% or better. Reason being their reason for going to college was to get a degree. They had parents who stood behind that primary goal.
Doc talked more about LIFE than class. I don't recall Doc ever having my grades, or getting on to me for missing a class. How would he ever know I missed a class? I'm sorry, everybody ain't Coach Robinson. Every coach ain't going to wake your lazzy butt up with a cowbell. Each student knows what time each and every one of his class starts and ends. Not one college student needs another grown person to tell him to get his arse in class.
0% graduation rate is MORE of the student/parent fault than it is ANY COACH.
I thought about what I had wrote after I wrote it. It is sad that Nolan has that type of graduation rate. BUT, on the other hand, how many white kids graduated under him. Are they any different than the blacks? Did he have a 0% graduation rate amoung white athletes? I don't think so. The blame should not be on the coach. The students MUST accept that he is in college to get a degree and not use college as a farm league for the NBA.
I got to thinking about the # of basketball players that got their degree at UAPB from 1988 to 1993, the time I was there. I would say the rate is 85% or better. Reason being their reason for going to college was to get a degree. They had parents who stood behind that primary goal.
Doc talked more about LIFE than class. I don't recall Doc ever having my grades, or getting on to me for missing a class. How would he ever know I missed a class? I'm sorry, everybody ain't Coach Robinson. Every coach ain't going to wake your lazzy butt up with a cowbell. Each student knows what time each and every one of his class starts and ends. Not one college student needs another grown person to tell him to get his arse in class.
0% graduation rate is MORE of the student/parent fault than it is ANY COACH.
JR
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Not so fast my frat bro. I am sure the few white boys Nolan had did graduate. They were not there to make the NBA. So the coaches don't have to worry about them. Kind of like ole Reid Gettys when he played at U of H(Phi Slamma Jamma Days). He's a lawyer now and the others that played with him. Well let's say thank goodness some played professionally. Even Drexler had to come back to get his degree when they hired him. Not that he needed it financially like some of his ex teamates who were not as lucky.
These coaches do have to pay attention to the kids grades. I bet those coaches know who is eligible or not. The point is if they have to pay attention to that stuff because the NCAA mandates it. Sure it is a student's fault when he doesn't get his lazy azz up to go to class. But remember you and I were not recruited to play ball at our respective schools. The NCAA don't care about the band. So the band director doesn't have the same kind of responsibility that coach has and don't have the same resources.
All I know is Pete has a coach that moniters the academic progress of the players. If they are not cutting it they get sent home if they are not willing to help themselves. We just had an top QB recruit last year who all the PWCs wanted and actually had sent him to a JC before he came to SU finally. Well he didn't want to go to class. Guess what, his azz is not at SU. That's because Pete don't play that ish. Now he don't pull the Eddie Rob routine. There is only one Eddie. But he has resource to help him moniter what's going on.
We could go on and on about what a coaches responsibilty is. I would not send a kid to play for one if his graduation rates are crappy and it's obvious he doesn't give a damn. Like a Dale Brown of LSU. He talked a good game, but he was trying to win only.
My last comment is alot of these kids did not benefit from the same kind of parenting that normal college students do. Like some of us have posted, if they couldn't ball they probably would not even go to college. So it is up to the coach, the school and yes the student to do something once they get there. If the kid doesn't then kick his azz out and bring in one who will try. The band has way more people to moniter than 11-15 player bball team. I could have done that in my sleep. My graduations rates wouldn't looked like Richardson's and if the school didn't support me. I would have left along time ago. Let's face it. It wasn't on Nolan's selfish agenda. No highly thought of Academic school will hire him. Watch and see. He's a better coach than NC's Matt Doherty will ever be, but NC would not touch Nolan, because even with their kids leaving early they still graduate. Now that's called caring. He'll be at another renegade program. The sad thing is that there are alot of them. I do understand what you are saying frat. This is just my opinion of the situation.
These coaches do have to pay attention to the kids grades. I bet those coaches know who is eligible or not. The point is if they have to pay attention to that stuff because the NCAA mandates it. Sure it is a student's fault when he doesn't get his lazy azz up to go to class. But remember you and I were not recruited to play ball at our respective schools. The NCAA don't care about the band. So the band director doesn't have the same kind of responsibility that coach has and don't have the same resources.
All I know is Pete has a coach that moniters the academic progress of the players. If they are not cutting it they get sent home if they are not willing to help themselves. We just had an top QB recruit last year who all the PWCs wanted and actually had sent him to a JC before he came to SU finally. Well he didn't want to go to class. Guess what, his azz is not at SU. That's because Pete don't play that ish. Now he don't pull the Eddie Rob routine. There is only one Eddie. But he has resource to help him moniter what's going on.
We could go on and on about what a coaches responsibilty is. I would not send a kid to play for one if his graduation rates are crappy and it's obvious he doesn't give a damn. Like a Dale Brown of LSU. He talked a good game, but he was trying to win only.
My last comment is alot of these kids did not benefit from the same kind of parenting that normal college students do. Like some of us have posted, if they couldn't ball they probably would not even go to college. So it is up to the coach, the school and yes the student to do something once they get there. If the kid doesn't then kick his azz out and bring in one who will try. The band has way more people to moniter than 11-15 player bball team. I could have done that in my sleep. My graduations rates wouldn't looked like Richardson's and if the school didn't support me. I would have left along time ago. Let's face it. It wasn't on Nolan's selfish agenda. No highly thought of Academic school will hire him. Watch and see. He's a better coach than NC's Matt Doherty will ever be, but NC would not touch Nolan, because even with their kids leaving early they still graduate. Now that's called caring. He'll be at another renegade program. The sad thing is that there are alot of them. I do understand what you are saying frat. This is just my opinion of the situation.
Timbuktu Jag
Return to Dominance
Something is definitely wrong with a system that pays more to coaches to win games than they pay Presidents and Professors to educate young men and women. It looks like it's all about the benjamins. If power corrupts, think how much more money and greed corrupts.
Richardson is a product of a system gone bad.
Keep in mind, that Coach K recruits students who happen to be athletes, while others are recruiting athletes and attempting to make students out of them.
Richardson is a product of a system gone bad.
Keep in mind, that Coach K recruits students who happen to be athletes, while others are recruiting athletes and attempting to make students out of them.
Da_Sperm
New Member
Frat, I guess I'm looking at it like they were just students. The students who want it, get it. That is whether they are football players, basketball players, band members, chess team, etc.
My thing is the ensuring a player makes it to class, to study groups, to tutoring, etc is all good. What this does is baby sits the student. What is going to happen when the Bobby Knight retires and the next coach is just a COACH? Since the student no longer has the WHIP over his head, he may start to slack. I don't think Nolan's approach is arrogant. He simply gives his players a choice.
A basketball coach is responsible for coaching basketball,
A football coach is responsible for coaching football,
A baseball coach is responsible for coaching baseball,
A band director is responsible for directing the band,
A math teacher is responsible for teaching math,
A basketball player is responsible
A student is responsibe for going to class, studying and getting a degree.
My thing is the ensuring a player makes it to class, to study groups, to tutoring, etc is all good. What this does is baby sits the student. What is going to happen when the Bobby Knight retires and the next coach is just a COACH? Since the student no longer has the WHIP over his head, he may start to slack. I don't think Nolan's approach is arrogant. He simply gives his players a choice.
A basketball coach is responsible for coaching basketball,
A football coach is responsible for coaching football,
A baseball coach is responsible for coaching baseball,
A band director is responsible for directing the band,
A math teacher is responsible for teaching math,
A basketball player is responsible
A student is responsibe for going to class, studying and getting a degree.
SoloMan
Well-Known Member
I hope this doesn't sound too negative, but a good number of these kids are just not college material. If you are an athlete and made 600 on the SAT and you are at a school like Tulane where the majority of the students make over 1300, you probably not going to fare well academically.
As an athlete you will spend a great deal of time practicing, traveling, and working out. Class work has to be frustrating for them and is probably the number one reason they don't stay in college.
Like someone posted early if it wasn't for athletics they would not be accepted into these schools. I am sure one reason many probably don't go to class is because it has to be an embarrassing situation to be placed in.
I believe this is the reason why many of the gifted basketball players today are skipping college and going straight into the NBA and is why the NBA is starting a farm system.
As an athlete you will spend a great deal of time practicing, traveling, and working out. Class work has to be frustrating for them and is probably the number one reason they don't stay in college.
Like someone posted early if it wasn't for athletics they would not be accepted into these schools. I am sure one reason many probably don't go to class is because it has to be an embarrassing situation to be placed in.
I believe this is the reason why many of the gifted basketball players today are skipping college and going straight into the NBA and is why the NBA is starting a farm system.
Dr. Mac
Player
Soloman:
I made the comment you are referring to. I would also add that the reason a lot of these kids don't go to class is that boosters, supporters, and yes, poor advice from some coaches, have led them to believe that all they have to do is show up and they will be taken care of.
TimJag:
According to a story that ran on ESPN over the weekend, the graduation rates at some of the schools with high ones are not all they are cranked up to be either. I missed the story but my wife saw it. She said that the story pointed out that at some of these schools, and Duke was mentioned as one of these, the athletes take courses that are so remedial that it is a joke. According to her the story indicated that some of the classes the players take are even taught by their coaches. Thus, although they graduate, the quality of their education is essentially meaningless and they end up with few skills that are valuable in industry. This is a newer and smarter twist on the game and is designed to make these schools appear to be upholding the standard for athletes that is set for its other students.
USAToday, in today's issue, also mentioned the findings of ESPN's story. According to it, ESPN is going to run the story again tomorrow. They didnot report the time that it will air.
Everybody:
USAToday also reported that Richardson could appeal the Chancellor's decision to fire him to the President of the Arkansas University System. I think he has until the end of the day to do so. The article indicated that Richardson was thinking about appealing. It said that he wanted to continue to coach and that lawyers believed that he had a good chance at winning because what he said was protected under his right to free speech (good point); i.e., he was essentially fired for exercising his right to free speech.
But my question to you is, under the circumstances should Richardson appeal and should Arkansas re-instate him if he does?
I'll post my thoughts later.
Regards.
I made the comment you are referring to. I would also add that the reason a lot of these kids don't go to class is that boosters, supporters, and yes, poor advice from some coaches, have led them to believe that all they have to do is show up and they will be taken care of.
TimJag:
According to a story that ran on ESPN over the weekend, the graduation rates at some of the schools with high ones are not all they are cranked up to be either. I missed the story but my wife saw it. She said that the story pointed out that at some of these schools, and Duke was mentioned as one of these, the athletes take courses that are so remedial that it is a joke. According to her the story indicated that some of the classes the players take are even taught by their coaches. Thus, although they graduate, the quality of their education is essentially meaningless and they end up with few skills that are valuable in industry. This is a newer and smarter twist on the game and is designed to make these schools appear to be upholding the standard for athletes that is set for its other students.
USAToday, in today's issue, also mentioned the findings of ESPN's story. According to it, ESPN is going to run the story again tomorrow. They didnot report the time that it will air.
Everybody:
USAToday also reported that Richardson could appeal the Chancellor's decision to fire him to the President of the Arkansas University System. I think he has until the end of the day to do so. The article indicated that Richardson was thinking about appealing. It said that he wanted to continue to coach and that lawyers believed that he had a good chance at winning because what he said was protected under his right to free speech (good point); i.e., he was essentially fired for exercising his right to free speech.
But my question to you is, under the circumstances should Richardson appeal and should Arkansas re-instate him if he does?
I'll post my thoughts later.
Regards.
JR
Well-Known Member
Richardson is getting some negative press from one of our own. Phil Taylor( black writer) has an article today on CNNSI.com that practically says the same thing I have been posting on here. I couldn't agree with him more. If you going to be like he was then you need to keep quiet. Especially when you know your own house is not in order. You can't say the white man did it, when you are doing it. John Tompson please send help.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/phil_taylor/news/2002/03/04/hot_button/#
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/phil_taylor/news/2002/03/04/hot_button/#
JR
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Interesting point on that comparison G Lion. Like Thurgood Marshall said on a question posed to him about not supporting a fellow black man in Clarence Thomas. Marshall said something to the effect "Sometimes you can support the wrong black man just because he black" That's what I think blacks are doing with Nolan. OJ was the same way. I never liked OJ. But I wanted him to beat the corrupt system and at least there was reasonable doubt. Plus Johnnie C is the man.
But back to Nolan. The white man may have treated him bad. No different than any other black coach. But the white man didn't tell him to not care about his players and if they did. He should have played the race card years ago. Before he found himself in this mess. It isn't over. Nolan is probably going to sue and it will get settled out of court. Nolan gets his money. What Nolan is trying to is get them to pay him even if he gets another coaching job. I see him working. He knows his contract has the clause that he stops getting that 500k a year for 6 years the minute he takes another coaching job. Since he went off on the media, the networks probably are leary, so Nolan knows he has to do something, because he may not land a big TV gig like past coaches who have been fired or quit. Arkansas will settle just to keep the race thing down to a minimum and my guess will even hire another black coach. Then Nolan will have his money still coming in from Arkansas and still get a coaching job somewhere else without having to wait 6 years. That's what he wants. Yeah I see his angle now. Kind of ingenious. Play the race card and cause a stir so bad Arkansas has to take that clause out of the contract just to shut him up.
But back to Nolan. The white man may have treated him bad. No different than any other black coach. But the white man didn't tell him to not care about his players and if they did. He should have played the race card years ago. Before he found himself in this mess. It isn't over. Nolan is probably going to sue and it will get settled out of court. Nolan gets his money. What Nolan is trying to is get them to pay him even if he gets another coaching job. I see him working. He knows his contract has the clause that he stops getting that 500k a year for 6 years the minute he takes another coaching job. Since he went off on the media, the networks probably are leary, so Nolan knows he has to do something, because he may not land a big TV gig like past coaches who have been fired or quit. Arkansas will settle just to keep the race thing down to a minimum and my guess will even hire another black coach. Then Nolan will have his money still coming in from Arkansas and still get a coaching job somewhere else without having to wait 6 years. That's what he wants. Yeah I see his angle now. Kind of ingenious. Play the race card and cause a stir so bad Arkansas has to take that clause out of the contract just to shut him up.
Taylor-Made'90
I'm 'Citrix SSO' batch!!!
Winning in Everything.......
Nolan's firing was as much a product of his team's lackluster season, as much as it was based on his comments.
Winning is the ultimate goal at all major Universities, as far as Atheletics are concerned.
I agreed with Nolan's comments that he had earned the right to have a 'down' season, but I fault him for letting the media push him into getting upset and shooting off at the mouth......But I know that he wouldn't have gotten questioned along the line he was (questioned), if his team had been doing better. But Nolan's got to be stronger, and smart enough to not get 'suckered' into throwing a tantrum, and not thinking something would happen after it was over. He invited Arkansas to fire him. And they quickly obliged......
But that's something I've noticed, but seemingly not enough of us realize. The spotlight always shines brighter on us, than on them. And we have to know UPFRONT that we have to keep our heads ALL THE TIME.......You can't afford to lose your cool. I believe Nolan would still be coaching today of he had tempered his comments. But he didn't. And it got him fired.
You don't 'sass' Massa and stay in the House!!!!!!
And now Nolan knows that.....Too bad he had to find out the Hard Way!!!!!!! And now he wants his job back........And Arkansas will sit back and watch Nolan walk a 'tightrope' and do a 'song and dance' and retract all his comments, and 'beg' for his job. And they'll listen, and they'll debate, but in the end they WON"T GIVE IT BACK TO HIM!!!!! But they would've enjoyed the 'dog and pony' show Nolan'll put on for 'em..........
Nolan's firing was as much a product of his team's lackluster season, as much as it was based on his comments.
Winning is the ultimate goal at all major Universities, as far as Atheletics are concerned.
I agreed with Nolan's comments that he had earned the right to have a 'down' season, but I fault him for letting the media push him into getting upset and shooting off at the mouth......But I know that he wouldn't have gotten questioned along the line he was (questioned), if his team had been doing better. But Nolan's got to be stronger, and smart enough to not get 'suckered' into throwing a tantrum, and not thinking something would happen after it was over. He invited Arkansas to fire him. And they quickly obliged......
But that's something I've noticed, but seemingly not enough of us realize. The spotlight always shines brighter on us, than on them. And we have to know UPFRONT that we have to keep our heads ALL THE TIME.......You can't afford to lose your cool. I believe Nolan would still be coaching today of he had tempered his comments. But he didn't. And it got him fired.
You don't 'sass' Massa and stay in the House!!!!!!
And now Nolan knows that.....Too bad he had to find out the Hard Way!!!!!!! And now he wants his job back........And Arkansas will sit back and watch Nolan walk a 'tightrope' and do a 'song and dance' and retract all his comments, and 'beg' for his job. And they'll listen, and they'll debate, but in the end they WON"T GIVE IT BACK TO HIM!!!!! But they would've enjoyed the 'dog and pony' show Nolan'll put on for 'em..........
G Lion
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When Frank hired Nolan 17 years ago, most people knew he was coming there to be Franks boy, his job was to win basketball games, help get black atheletes to come to fayetteville, and help win over blacks to become razorback fans in arkansas. Arkansas has never graduated that many black athletes in any sport.
Nolan said he never applied for the job but he did beg and sell his soul to Frank for it. You see Frank doesn't need him anymore, you look at the football and basketball team they are just about all black. Only about 400 are black students for an enrollment of 15,000 and of that 400 almost half, yes half are black athletes of one kind or another. And now they report that Frank and Nolan haven't spoken to each other in years.
You got blacks in Arkansas now talking about how they bleed razorback red. I can remember one football game at UAPB a few years ago, and it was senior day honoring the seniors on the team, when they presented the [parents the father of one player had the nerve to wear a razorback jacket onto the field even though his son played for UAPB, I would not have allowed him onto the field with that.
But back to Nolan, to quote Malcolum X, " It may be a case of the chickens coming home to roost".
Nolan said he never applied for the job but he did beg and sell his soul to Frank for it. You see Frank doesn't need him anymore, you look at the football and basketball team they are just about all black. Only about 400 are black students for an enrollment of 15,000 and of that 400 almost half, yes half are black athletes of one kind or another. And now they report that Frank and Nolan haven't spoken to each other in years.
You got blacks in Arkansas now talking about how they bleed razorback red. I can remember one football game at UAPB a few years ago, and it was senior day honoring the seniors on the team, when they presented the [parents the father of one player had the nerve to wear a razorback jacket onto the field even though his son played for UAPB, I would not have allowed him onto the field with that.
But back to Nolan, to quote Malcolum X, " It may be a case of the chickens coming home to roost".
G Lion
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Re: Winning in Everything.......
You are absolutely right about the lights shining brighter on a black coach.
But I don't think the media has been that bad on Nolan ever since John Robert Starr "an ultimate redneck and editor of the statewide newspaper" died a few years ago. You will get into trouble if you critizied the razorbacks to much in this state. I think Nolan's problem was that he didn't know who he could trust in the media.
You are absolutely right about the lights shining brighter on a black coach.
But I don't think the media has been that bad on Nolan ever since John Robert Starr "an ultimate redneck and editor of the statewide newspaper" died a few years ago. You will get into trouble if you critizied the razorbacks to much in this state. I think Nolan's problem was that he didn't know who he could trust in the media.