Pro-War Supporters.


Originally posted by Bartram


Clearly your main argument is more with Bush/republicans/conservatives than anything else.

All I will say is we will know, one way or the other, real soon, if Bush is right or wrong for going into Iraq.

My argument is that you don't deploy a quarter of a million troops for something you have no proof exists. You don't spend billions of US dollars on a war that doesnt necessarily have to be fought in the first place. You CERTAINLY don't contract the vice president's company to go in and rebuild Iraq after the war. That's a terrible conflict of interests.
 
yeah,,,

Originally posted by unknown1


My argument is that you don't deploy a quarter of a million troops for something you have no proof exists. You don't spend billions of US dollars on a war that doesnt necessarily have to be fought in the first place. You CERTAINLY don't contract the vice president's company to go in and rebuild Iraq after the war. That's a terrible conflict of interests.

and the reason that is your argument is because you hate Bush/republicans/conservatives running government,,, and that's how you've been programmed.

Bush doesn't agree with you, your ilk and all these morons who wouldn't agree with military action if the country was being invaded,,, and is going the pre-emptive rought. We'll see if he's right or wrong for doing so.

Like I said breh, no need in me going into detail with you. It all boils down to a partisan view.
 



That whole post had zero to do with what I said, more typical diversion as usual. :rolleyes: Your post is dumb because for one, the country isn't being invaded and you don't know WHAT i'd say or think if it was. For two, you can't compare attacking a sovereign nation with no cause to defending our home borders. For three, Iraq isn't the biggest threat to our national security. Bush was smart in one aspect, he made it seem like he was at least trying to give Saddam a chance to get out of this war. "You have until March 17th..(1 whole week). Now, "You have 48 hours." So either way it goes, he can use that as a scapegoat and say "well we gave you a chance.

When you can provide proof that Iraq is a threat to the US, then your post may hold some merit. Over the 12 years of 1441 violations, how many of these WMD's has Iraq used? How many did they fire into Israel? How many US troops did Iraq use WMD's on? You're trying to make a comparison to apples and oranges, and that just ain't cuttin it. You give a country chemical and germ warfare to use against a country when it's convenient for you, then when that country threatens your oil supply by invading another country, they're the devil. WE stood by and watched him gas those Kurds and did nothing, now condemn him for it and call him a madman? BS. Everyone here knows if Iraq had invaded Iran, the Sudan, or North Korea instead of Kuwait we wouldn't have had a war in 1991 and we wouldn't be having a war now. Same goes for Bin Laden. Guess it's just a case of someone biting the hand that feeds them.


You should apply for Colin Powell's job, you'd make a pretty good puppet for Bush. How are those diplomacy negotiations with North Korea going? I mean after all, we're not concerned with them or their nukes, they just want attention. They're not a threat to US homeland security, they're only building missiles that can reach the US and turning 8,000 rods into nuclear weapons to put in them. But hey, Iraq is the threat. Even though we don't know where those weapons are, they've just gotta be there somewhere. Those documents and scientists that showed they were destroyed and that their quest to design a nuke were aborted in 1991 don't hold any merit! :idea: I'm just curious as to why the US isn't as quick to try and make China or Russia turnover their WMD's. The really amusing thing about this is that this war is supposed to make us feel more safe within our borders, yet the moment the 48 hour announcement is made, the terror alert is raised to high.:rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: History

Originally posted by Attack Dog


And the masses of us still have not learned this!:smh:


Ummmmmmmm last time I checked the masses did vote


BUSH 50,456,169
GORE 50,996,116

I don't know about you but I learned in the 3rd grade
50,996,116 > 50,456,169


But hey
:shh:
 
Originally posted by Bartram


I'd say 3K+ civilians (not to mention U.S. targets not on U.S. soil) getting wacked in the WTC pretty much makes us a big Israel.



That's the problem,,,, it should be the consequences of attacking the U.S. that should concern the attackers.

The U.S. has been a big Israel since Israel's creation.

These people who attack the U.S. and Israel are not fearful. They feel this is their last resort and have made peace with themselves.
 
Those are official numbers of people who voted. SO it looked to me that close to 600,000 people voted for the other guy, but thanks to our "free world" the supreme court got to decided who I call president.

It make me angry when people think just cause I voted for Gore I don't know what is going on.

I know that when "W" got on tv and told the Iraqi troops not to blow up the oil fields that he was not talking about for the sake of the Iraqi people

I know that same fool got on TV and said " we are talking aobut the same man that tried to kill my daddy" that this war was not about UN santions.

I know that the aforemention fool is using 911 to scare people to believe that this is the right thing.

I know that Saddam has never attacked on US soil and that Iraq is sovereign nation and asking their leader to step down so we can put in place a governement is a slap in the face. One that will cost us greatly

I just pray that the lord have mercy on us.
 
Originally posted by JSU*Toi


I know that when "W" got on tv and told the Iraqi troops not to blow up the oil fields that he was not talking about for the sake of the Iraqi people

I know that same fool got on TV and said " we are talking aobut the same man that tried to kill my daddy" that this war was not about UN santions.


Yet so many people look over those statements and still find reason behind his unjust attack on Iraq.
 
Re: Re: Re: War is Imminent.

Originally posted by Bartram


No, there are simply more votes and more motivated and dedicated voters than yours/you. No, you are not forced to do anything in this country. You can stand up just like the human shield stood up in front of that bulldozer. If you don't "believe", that's your problem, and the foes have your arse licked without much of a problem. The Vietnameese believed and, luckily, they had some help from china and idiots here trying to run a war from D.C. instead of letting the generals on the ground call the shots. So every time "you" lose, guys are "appointed president", but every time you win,,, then it's all fair and square??? :confused: Last I checked,,, Clinton won twice. Gore, probably mainly because of Clinton's antics while Pres, couldn't get over the hump.

Gore lost because he ran a *****y campaign. And no one's vote is more motivated or dedicated than mine or anyone's; rather, the two-party system is both corrupt and a sham. Any time there is ANY opposition to the Republicrats, they are ostracized and run out of town. Why do they fear the competition?
 
Originally posted by Bartram


dude,,,,, both sides can come up with "articles" all day long professing the media is this or that. It comes to a point where you have to simply listen to different media outlets for yourself and make your own call. I do and I would have to give the edge, easily, to the conservatives in their contension that the mainstream media in America is decidedly liberal/PC. I would say TV news definitely save for FoxNews. I haven't read all the news papers in the nation, but in Alabama, the only newspaper that is decidedly conservative and makes no bones about it is the Montgomery Independent. Talk radio is the only medium that I have observed that is definitely biased towards conservatives. even at that, there are more general music stations and so forth that are "neutral" or liberal. Talk radio in general, though, I would concure is decidedly conservative. Media in general, I would say based on my own observation in this country is not, regardless of the article.

The major media in America are owned by at most (depending on who merges today or something :) ) six companies. The decisions of what to broadcast are made by guys in boardrooms. How many bleeding heart liberals do you see in boardrooms?

Why do I get news sooner and more objectively from the BBC than I do from Fox, CNN, NBC, etc.?

No, Bart, you're accepting the lies they are feeding and brainwashing you with. Shoot your television and open your mind and your eyes to the real world.
 
Because you want news from the BBC.

Originally posted by sophandros


The major media in America are owned by at most (depending on who merges today or something :) ) six companies. The decisions of what to broadcast are made by guys in boardrooms. How many bleeding heart liberals do you see in boardrooms?

Why do I get news sooner and more objectively from the BBC than I do from Fox, CNN, NBC, etc.?

No, Bart, you're accepting the lies they are feeding and brainwashing you with. Shoot your television and open your mind and your eyes to the real world.

Stop using code words of leftists like "open minds" and running all that worthless college dribble. The real world is what you aren't in tune with.

Both liberals and conservatives spin news and "tell lies" as you would say. the bottom line is logical reasoning of the individual.

To that end, I would contend that no one side has all the right answers and you know it. It's not about accepting lies, it's simply looking at news and judging the takes for yourself. Most news,,, AND ESPECIALLY MOVIES AND MUSIC(except most u.s. country music), are liberal biased and you know it. That's not a lie,, you just look at it and judge one way or the other. The BBC is simply different (and liberal also),, and you love anything that's not U.S.-oriented because of your political position.
 
Some people should read these.

Some evidence on Iraq called fake

Waxman?s letter to Bush PDF file

sophandros, is absolutely right. The Gore campaign was poorly run. They ignored a lot of states, especially in the south, including his home one of Tennessee.

I too watch the BBC news. Since 9/11 I have watched more of the BBC news than I have the evening news on CBS, ABC, and NBC. Frankly, I wished that Fox News did not exist. I have not seen a combined 30 minutes per week of that news channel in over a year. I did not see much of it then.

http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/story576.html

Let's remember this. This nation actively supported Saddam during the eighties. Yes, he is a bad guy. But during his war with Iran, he was our bad guy. To us he was all right.
 
Re: Because you want news from the BBC.

Originally posted by Bartram


Stop using code words of leftists like "open minds" and running all that worthless college dribble. The real world is what you aren't in tune with.

Both liberals and conservatives spin news and "tell lies" as you would say. the bottom line is logical reasoning of the individual.

To that end, I would contend that no one side has all the right answers and you know it. It's not about accepting lies, it's simply looking at news and judging the takes for yourself. Most news,,, AND ESPECIALLY MOVIES AND MUSIC(except most u.s. country music), are liberal biased and you know it. That's not a lie,, you just look at it and judge one way or the other. The BBC is simply different (and liberal also),, and you love anything that's not U.S.-oriented because of your political position.

No, I'm just not a brainwashed lemming like yourself. I take a step back and critically assess the situation before making a decision.

You just take what they give you at face value and accept it. I guess they lubed your ass up real well, because you seem to enjoy being fugged by them.
 
Re: Re: Because you want news from the BBC.

Originally posted by sophandros


No, I'm just not a brainwashed lemming like yourself. I take a step back and critically assess the situation before making a decision.

You just take what they give you at face value and accept it. I guess they lubed your ass up real well, because you seem to enjoy being fugged by them.

"No, i'm just not a brainwashed lemming like you. I take a step back and critically assess the situation before making a decision.

You just take what the communist, socialist and marxist give you at face value and accept it. I guess they lubed your ass up real well, because you seem to enjoy being fugged by them."

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. good thing you are here to say that and not in the communis/socialist/marxist countries where you couldn't.
 



"A blind man in a room full of deaf people"

Originally posted by J C
I am afraid that this war may reach the U.S. Sleeper cells may be already in the country. I hope this country does not become another Israel. No doubt we will kick the Iraqi Sunnis ass. It the consequences that concern me. It has never been WMD, oil or democracy for the Iraqis. It could be personal (Saddam v Bush 41 and 43) or religiously driven. I wish I knew or someone could explain it to me. How did we go from being supported by the world community to being the scorned. I would like to support the Prez on this one, but the facts do not support his allegations. I will however support our troops who are only carrying out orders. God have mercy on us.

O'Neil tells us why and how we went to war with Iraq in new book.


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Saddam's Ouster Planned In 2001?
Jan. 10, 2004


The Bush Administration began laying plans for an invasion of Iraq, including the use of American troops, within days of President Bush's inauguration in January of 2001 -- not eight months later after the 9/11 attacks as has been previously reported.

That's what former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill says in his first interview about his time as a White House insider. O'Neill talks to Correspondent Lesley Stahl in the interview, to be broadcast on 60 Minutes, Sunday, Jan. 11 at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," he tells Stahl. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do is a really huge leap."

O'Neill, fired by the White House for his disagreement on tax cuts, is the main source for an upcoming book, "The Price of Loyalty," authored by Ron Suskind.

Suskind says O'Neill and other White House insiders he interviewed gave him documents that show that in the first three months of 2001, the administration was looking at military options for removing Saddam Hussein from power and planning for the aftermath of Saddam's downfall -- including post-war contingencies like peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals and the future of Iraq's oil.

"There are memos," Suskind tells Stahl, "One of them marked 'secret' says 'Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq.'"

A Pentagon document, says Suskind, titled "Foreign Suitors For Iraqi Oilfield Contracts," outlines areas of oil exploration. "It talks about contractors around the world from...30, 40 countries and which ones have what intentions on oil in Iraq," Suskind says.

According to CBS News Reporter Lisa Barron in Baghdad, "The Iraqi National Congress, an umbrella group of former exiles, says it's not surprised by O'Neill's remarks. Spokesman Entifadh Qanbar tells CBS News that the Bush administration opened official channels to the Iraqi opposition soon after coming to power, and discussed how to remove saddam. The group opened an office in Washington shotly afterwards."

In the book, O'Neill is quoted as saying he was surprised that no one in a National Security Council meeting questioned why Iraq should be invaded. "It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" says O'Neill in the book.

Suskind also writes about a White House meeting in which he says the president seems to be wavering about going forward with his second round of tax cuts. "Haven't we already given money to rich people ... Shouldn't we be giving money to the middle," Suskind says the president uttered, according to a nearly verbatim transcript of an Economic Team meeting he says he obtained from someone at the meeting.

O'Neill, who was asked to resign because of his opposition to the tax cut, says he doesn't think his tell-all account in this book will be attacked by his former employers as sour grapes. "I will be really disappointed if [the White House] reacts that way," he tells Stahl. "I can't imagine that I am going to be attacked for telling the truth."

O'Neill also is quoted saying in the book that President Bush was so disengaged in cabinet meetings that he "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people."

"It's revealing," said Stahl on The Early Show Friday. "I would say it's an unflattering portrait of the White House and of the president -- and specifically, about how they make decisions."

A lack of dialogue, according to O'Neill, was the norm in cabinet meetings he attended. And it was similar in one-on-one meetings, says O'Neill. Of his first such meeting with the president, O'Neill says, "I went in with a long list of things to talk about and, I thought, to engage [him] on...I was surprised it turned out me talking and the president just listening...It was mostly a monologue."

On Friday, a White House official tried to brush off O'Neill's assessment of President Bush's decision-making policies. "It's well known the way the president approaches governing and setting priorities," says Spokeman Scott McClellan. "The president is someone that leads and acts decisively on our biggest priorities, and that is exactly what he'll continue to do."

Source:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/printable592330.shtml

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Re: Re: Re: History

Originally posted by JSU*Toi
.....


BUSH 50,456,169
GORE 50,996,116

I don't know about you but I learned in the 3rd grade
50,996,116 > 50,456,169


But hey
:shh:

I learned this too.

Where are the WMDs?
 
The numbers are hogwash and used by both sides.

The extremist conservatives say the exact same thing about Clinton's win, so the belly-aching about the election between Gore and Bush is nothing but political fodder for the left-wing extremist wackoes just like the right-wing extremist wackoes. :rolleyes:
 
Terrorists Spark Fear of Civil War in Iraq

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=490057&host=3&dir=75

By Justin Huggler in Iskandariya
11 February 2004

Terrorists spark fear of civil war in Iraq as 50 die in car bomb

Joschka Fischer: A military response alone will not win war on terror

American authorities sought to blame al-Qai'da last night for a massive suicide bomb in a Shia-dominated city that killed at least 50 people in a crowded Iraqi police station.

The blast came after the US claimed - in an apparent leak to The New York Times - that it had intercepted a message from Iraq asking al-Qa'ida for help in fomenting a civil war between Sunnis and Shias in Iraq. The Iraqi police said yesterday's explosion in Iskandariya, which left a three-metre-deep crater, was caused by a car bomb packed with explosives and driven by a suicide bomber. The crowd of Iraqis who gathered at the scene blamed it on an American air strike.

Burnt and twisted remains of cars littered the area in this small and dusty town south of Baghdad. "It was a human disaster," said Ali Abdullah, a local student who witnessed the attack. "The American soldiers would not let us into where it happened, but we used back ways. We found the bodies burnt and broken into pieces. We found pieces of flesh on the roof. We found body parts that we couldn't tell who they belonged to. There were pieces of women."

The dead were all believed to be Iraqis. The local hospital director, Razaq Jabbar, said his hospital had received 50 dead and 50 wounded, but the death toll was thought likely to rise.

Nervous American soldiers sealed off the compound where the blast occurred with razor wire, taking up positions kneeling on the ground, a few metres from an angry crowd of Iraqis. The Iraqis were blaming the Americans for the explosion, and the soldiers had their fingers on their triggers.

The attack, which happened just after 8.30am, appeared to have been planned with the meticulous care that has become the hallmark of recent bombings in Iraq. The compound, which housed not only the police station but also the local court and the mayor's office, was unusually crowded because it was the second day for those wishing to apply for jobs in the police to register.

Those who are willing to serve in the Iraqi police under the American occupation are seen as collaborators by many. Whoever carried out the attack struck on the day when they would cause the most casualties.

According to the local police commander, Lieutenant-Colonel Abd al-Rahim Saleh, the explosion was caused by a red pick-up truck packed with an estimated 500lb of explosives. The driver set off the explosives as he passed the police station. That was the official version. But it was not accepted by the Iraqis on the scene. To a man, all the witnesses we spoke to claimed the blast was caused by an American air strike.

They said they had heard a helicopter overhead, and the whoosh of a missile flying through the air just before the blast. Several witnesses claimed that the Americans brought a bulldozer and quickly filled in the crater caused by the explosion.

If nothing else, it was an example of how the Americans are losing the battle for the trust and support of Iraqis, and how the bombers are succeeding. In Baghdad, the US army said that it was too early to know whether the explosion was caused by a car bomb, but Brigadier-General Mark Kimmitt, deputy operations chief, said it showed al-Qa'ida's "fingerprints".

The US claimed this week that its forces in Iraq had intercepted a letter to al-Qa'ida leaders from a Jordanian believed to be in Iraq asking for help with attacks against Shia Iraqis in the hope of inciting a civil war between Sunnis and Shias. The alleged author of the letter, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, boasted of organising 25 suicide bombings in Iraq so far.

The American claim would tally with a suicide bombing in the Shia holy city of Najaf last August that killed a Shia leader, Ayatollah Mohammed Bakr al-Hakim, and scores of others.

Iskandariya is a mixed town of Sunni and Shia Muslims, on the boundary between the Sunni centre of the country and the Shia south. Unlike the Shia heartlands further south, which have been relatively peaceful since the fall of Saddam Hussein, Iskandariya has seen several attacks on American forces.

The residents we spoke to were fiercely anti-American, and proud of the attacks carried out by the resistance in the area. That is a sign of how far the resistance has spread beyond the so-called Sunni Triangle of Baghdad, Fallujah and Tikrit. Attacks on American soldiers now occur from Mosul in the north to Iskandariya, and occasionally further south. The bombers are becoming more proficient. And everyone fears there is more to come.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: History

Originally posted by EB

Where are the WMDs?

That question will remain the defining mark of Dumb-ya's administration. This nation's history will indeed remember him for initiating the second Vietnam war.

All because he says some man tried to "kill his diddy."
 
Don't care how or why ............. I'm glad somebody did something. The RADICAL's, NOT MUSLIMS, have been killing and blowing up stuff for decades. After they do so, they threaten a "Holy War" if any retaliation is served. Well they got what they wanted.

Finish it and get it over with. The destruction they were causing all over the world was escalating every year. We all saw where it led to on 9-11.

Now these idiot's are killing there own people to further their cause. American's have not been setting off car bomb's killing Arab's on crowded streets, these fanatics have.

Now on the home front, jobs are being lost, wages frozen, and a lot of people have put future moves on hold indefinatly because if it. The demo's could have capitalized on this but they have fumbled the ball in 2004.
 
Originally posted by jstate83
Now on the home front, jobs are being lost, wages frozen, and a lot of people have put future moves on hold indefinatly because if it. The demo's could have capitalized on this but they have fumbled the ball in 2004.


How in hell does that fall at the feet of the democrats? You Bush-ites have some "out of this world" logic. :(
 
Originally posted by AAMU Alum
How in hell does that fall at the feet of the democrats? You Bush-ites have some "out of this world" logic. :(

Hey ALUM,

Everybody knows that anybody that don't agree with everything you say is a BUSHIE. Dude you sound like a 12 year old throwing a temper tantrum. You are a perfect example of why I said the DEMO's fumbled the ball. If you get off you superior, hot headed horse, you would see that instead of whinning, byotching, and trying to show the world how much you hate anything different from your own opinion, you and the rest of the loud mouth whinners in the DEMO party should have benn putting the focus squarly on the DOMESTIC issues.

What do no solution, pre-judjung loudmouth whinners like you do --------------- NOTHING. Oh, I forgot ------------------ as long as you can say BUSHIE, everything is OK in your world.

Jane Fonda send help.:lmao:
 
:goodbad: "can't we all just get along" these 2 "parties" will be and is the downfall of this nation. why can't we just handle buisness, domestic first...then international. we are the only country that gets into everyone else's buisness before we handle our own.

do the troops need to be there now...alone? no, this was an international affair before we kicked ourself in the arse, now we are going to catch all the heat and the greatest losses due to our greed and ignorance.

bush is not the only person to blame in this. the senate played a big part in that fck up and finally the people are to blame. we just accept whatever these political arses send our way and complain later, and to add insult to injury, this mess is still trying to be justified and people still agree.

did he SH need to be removed from his cruel ways....yes, but it should have been an international force. iraq can't remove bush from his seat alone, who were we to do the same.
 
Originally posted by jstate83
Hey ALUM,

Everybody knows that anybody that don't agree with everything you say is a BUSHIE. Dude you sound like a 12 year old throwing a temper tantrum.

And you're a typical BUSHIE, who gets angry at anyone who challenges his philosophy and platform. What's next, you're gonna tell me I'm an unpatriotic commie because I don't support the war?

My question again is how in hell does the reason behind those issues you mentioned in a previous post, fall at the feet of the democrats? What is it y'all loved to say from 1992-2000..."don't blame me, I voted for Bush." You voted for Bush this time to, I suppose. Who in do you think is to blame?
 
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