Penn State Sanctions: It's not over yet.


mighty hornet said:
I would agree with that if the ONLY thing that has happened is the NCAA punished Penn State football. That aint the case. Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in prison. As he should. The people who covered up and enabled his crimes will have to pay the piper too. Paterno has been rightfully taken off his pedestal. The NCAA can't question the parents or the community. Penn State football plays in the NCAA. The NCAA punished Penn State football.
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MH, I just think others are getting away freely. I agree that Sandusky will pay with his life in prison as he should. Not sure what the outcomes will be from the other trials. Those guys may or may not get convicted and they have only indicted 2 of them anyway. Joe Pa is dead and his legacy tarnished. So yeah those things are okay. The football program is actually going to pay a bigger price than some of the conspirators. I keep saying if the NCAA wanted to send message. They should have punished the entire athletic program. Since the AD was directly involved in this cover up. It wasn't just Joe Pa and the President. The AD was in on it. The football team got singled out because of Joe Pa. Who knows if other athletes or coaches at Penn State knew about Sandusky. My point is you can't just pin on the football program because it is the cash cow, which by the way will continue to make money even on probation. Not like they are going to go broke. If you want to curtail this across the board, then you take the whole athletic dept down. Especially since the AD and folks above him covered it up to. Just saying. All those other Presidents did was give Emmert power to kill Penn State football for competitive reasons. They didn't give a damn about them kids. Going to see if they give Emmert that power when a REAL sports related scandal happens that gives some school an advantage on the field or court.
 
JR said:
All those other Presidents did was give Emmert power to kill Penn State football for competitive reasons. They didn't give a damn about them kids.
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???
How could the NCAA have demonstrated that it gave "a damn about them kids". Certainly, by doing nothing to Penn State football, the reason this mess continued on for YEARS (forgive me for not buying into the whole conspiracy thing yet), would be indicative of the NCAA not giving a damn about the kids and saying to Penn State to carry on with business as usual, as if nothing ever happened.

And lets be real, we know the cover up wasn't so Penn State's bowling team and lacrosse could keep on, it was for football.
 



JR said:
I agree. But I think it goes beyond the school. So you can't shut Penn State down if there are POLITICAL folks out there bigger than Penn State that knew this was going on. It goes deeper than that. Those few men were afraid of more than just some scandal rocking the football program. Because as I have said on here. If they told on Sandusky right away. They would look like heroes. I think they knew it involved more than just Sandusky. Why would you protect an assistant coach who isn't coaching anymore. Makes you go hmmm...
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I agree but the school and the second mile was the nucleus. Therefore shut them both down, start prosecuting people even the janator who didn't tell, for being part of the cover up. All involved will know the serious nature of the investigation and people will start talking trying to save themselves. I believe thier is a much bigger story still out there...
 
I hope this appeal ends up bringing out more on Penn State. Maybe this could be the beginning stages of opening Pandora box.
 
Da Sleeper said:
Supporting psu in it's appeal is supporting ole'sandy boy.
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No it ain't. You're reaching.

This is the same NCAA that has to wait for Yahoo! Sports to uncover rule violations before they act (when the organization has an infractions committee that's supposed to handle those items). Mark Emmert and crew comes in and throws their weight around clearly yielding to public pressure, then strong arms a program without jurisdiction. If the NCAA can do that to PSU, then they can do that to everybody, including HBCUs.
 
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kendrick said:
No it ain't. You're reaching.

This is the same NCAA that has to wait for Yahoo! Sports to uncover rule violations before they act (when the organization has an infractions committee that's supposed to handle those items). Mark Emmert and crew comes in and throws their weight around clearly yielding to public pressure, then strong arms a program without jurisdiction. If the NCAA can do that to PSU, then they can do that to everybody, including HBCUs.
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Slow down son, you're killin' em!!!
 
kendrick said:
No it ain't. You're reaching.

This is the same NCAA that has to wait for Yahoo! Sports to uncover rule violations before they act (when the organization has an infractions committee that's supposed to handle those items). Mark Emmert and crew comes in and throws their weight around clearly yielding to public pressure, then strong arms a program without jurisdiction. If the NCAA can do that to PSU, then they can do that to everybody, including HBCUs.
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You're making way too much sense...
 
kendrick said:
No it ain't. You're reaching.

This is the same NCAA that has to wait for Yahoo! Sports to uncover rule violations before they act (when the organization has an infractions committee that's supposed to handle those items). Mark Emmert and crew comes in and throws their weight around clearly yielding to public pressure, then strong arms a program without jurisdiction. If the NCAA can do that to PSU, then they can do that to everybody, including HBCUs.
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:tup:
 
Da Sleeper said:
Supporting psu in it's appeal is supporting ole'sandy boy.
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Good lawd............. I'm calling.........no YELLIN' B.S on that statement. :lol:
How did you come to that conclusion when NOBODY is supporting a child molester. How in the world is supporting the football team who did nothing supporting a child molester.

You can't name one person on this board that has supported anyone that had a hand in that case.
 
kendrick said:
No it ain't. You're reaching.

This is the same NCAA that has to wait for Yahoo! Sports to uncover rule violations before they act (when the organization has an infractions committee that's supposed to handle those items). Mark Emmert and crew comes in and throws their weight around clearly yielding to public pressure, then strong arms a program without jurisdiction. If the NCAA can do that to PSU, then they can do that to everybody, including HBCUs.
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Shat................. Reaching ain't the proper discription of that statement. :lol:
 
CEE DOG said:
What is he killing? Showing how folks like you and others only care about running and jumping for a ball?
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Cee............... :lol:
You can keep throwing the same false statement up in the air but it still won't come down and stick to nothing. :lol:
 
kendrick said:
No it ain't. You're reaching.
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Man if this was to happen at any school in the swac, the whole place would be shut down. Wouldn't be nothing on that campus but tall grass, so I wish them the same fate.

Also, I just don't believe (and this is my personal belief) that you can separate what happend, the football program, and the university as a whole. The cover up is to big. So support one and you support them all.
 
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Da Sleeper said:
Man if this was to happen at any school in the swac, the whole place would be shut down. Wouldn't be nothing on that campus but tall grass, so I wish them the same fate.

Also, I just don't believe (and this is my personal belief) that you can separate what happend, the football program, and the university as a whole. The cover up is to big. So support one and you support them all.
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If this had happened at any SWAC or HBCU school, the NCAA wouldn't have done a thing. They woulda let whatever state/federal actions be taken and be done.
 



Robber said:
If this had happened at any SWAC or HBCU school, the NCAA wouldn't have done a thing. They woulda let whatever state/federal actions be taken and be done.
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Right.

And if the NCAA did do something, folks would be screaming bloody murder, saying how the NCAA always finds a way to come down on the small schools while leaving the BCS schools unscathed.
 
That is because we are broke. This is about money and power, which none of our schools have.
Robber said:
If this had happened at any SWAC or HBCU school, the NCAA wouldn't have done a thing. They woulda let whatever state/federal actions be taken and be done.
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kendrick said:
Right.

And if the NCAA did do something, folks would be screaming bloody murder, saying how the NCAA always finds a way to come down on the small schools while leaving the BCS schools unscathed.
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and yet when the NCAA finally comes down on one of the "big schools" and does something, for an almost unbelievable cover up, it shole is interesting, that you folks are "screaming bloody murder".
I guess yall want Penn State to go "unscathed" in this matter.

Good job by the NCAA of not going along with that line of thinking.
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JR said:
I disagree that the root cause was the football team.
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Well, you can assume that there was someone/something else all you want but when they go to court, they better have a name and some proof. If there is some validity to you all's arguments, then you would not have to make stuff up.

As for Robber and other TSPN lawyers telling us this or that, that is laughable. Ya'll acting like these dudes have already won in court. They can file all they want but they will lose. The NCAA had a right to throw Penn State out of the entire organization for GROSSLY disobeying the NCAA code of ethics for coaches, administrators and universities. There is no way around that. No one has said that Penn State football violated any NCAA competitive sanctions (which many can argue that keeping Joe Pa on the sideline is a competitive/recruiting advantage) this will be about ethics and how the football program funneled this. It's just like money laundering, the establishment gets shut down whether the employees there knew about it or not.

I don't even see this getting to trial. Those dudes may as well face the fact that the NCAA will NEVER let Joe Pa be the face of college football.


And if ya'll think that board is going to back these seven athletes, ya'll crazy. If ya'll think the President didn't have Penn State lawyers review everything before he signed, ya'll crazy. That board is not trying to have another investagtion. The NCAA did not have to follow previous protocols because this type of case was a new precedent and it was not about rules violations. It was about ethics violation and the report that Penn State PAID for, was all the evidence the NCAA needed.
 
CEE DOG said:
That is because we are broke. This is about money and power, which none of our schools have.
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Right. Because we don't have 80K fans at $50-300+/ticket a week and a Joe Pa on the sideline catering to million dollar donors. We would have had NO REASON to cover this up. We would have just turned the perp in. Penn State, and PSU football specifically, benefited financially from this cover up.
 
Tigerpride said:
Well, you can assume that there was someone/something else all you want but when they go to court, they better have a name and some proof. If there is some validity to you all's arguments, then you would not have to make stuff up.

As for Robber and other TSPN lawyers telling us this or that, that is laughable. Ya'll acting like these dudes have already won in court. They can file all they want but they will lose. The NCAA had a right to throw Penn State out of the entire organization for GROSSLY disobeying the NCAA code of ethics for coaches, administrators and universities. There is no way around that. No one has said that Penn State football violated any NCAA competitive sanctions (which many can argue that keeping Joe Pa on the sideline is a competitive/recruiting advantage) this will be about ethics and how the football program funneled this. It's just like money laundering, the establishment gets shut down whether the employees there knew about it or not.

I don't even see this getting to trial. Those dudes may as well face the fact that the NCAA will NEVER let Joe Pa be the face of college football.


And if ya'll think that board is going to back these seven athletes, ya'll crazy. If ya'll think the President didn't have Penn State lawyers review everything before he signed, ya'll crazy. That board is not trying to have another investagtion. The NCAA did not have to follow previous protocols because this type of case was a new precedent and it was not about rules violations. It was about ethics violation and the report that Penn State PAID for, was all the evidence the NCAA needed.
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Jerry Tarkanian didn't lose to the NCAA. Don't think this will be a slam dunk for the NCAA. Folks thought Roger Goodell was invincible until Vilma filed that defamation lawsuit.
 
Tigerpride said:
Right. Because we don't have 80K fans at $50-300+/ticket a week and a Joe Pa on the sideline catering to million dollar donors. We would have had NO REASON to cover this up. We would have just turned the perp in. Penn State, and PSU football specifically, benefited financially from this cover up.
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Dude, Penn State was going to continue to get money from their boosters. Had they turned Sandusky in would have not stopped the money flow. Hell they just got their second largest level of donations in their history with a SCANDAL going on. LOL. That should tell you right there, that it is more than Penn State football they were trying to protect. Turning in Sandusky would have been easy as hell for them to overcome. Much better than covering it up. And if Joe Pa was so worried about just himself, yall tell me why he went to the AD, VP and President at time when his job performance was poor on the field and some members on the board wanted him gone. Don't you think he would have just thanked McQuery and his Dad for the info and just sat on it himself? Why involve all these people in YOUR dirty laundry if he was worried about Penn State football. It is more to it. Maybe it does go back to some Boosters who were giving big money to Penn State. Maybe some of them ran with Sandusky and could be implicated. If not, the whole theory of them trying to protect Penn State football makes no sense. Nothing would have happened to them for telling on Sandusky back then. Just like you are saying a HBCU would have told too. You only get in trouble when you conceal it. Penn State would have looked like they were holier than though if they had sold Sandusky down the river back then like they should have. It wouldn't have been no scandal at all. Folks would have lauded Joe Pa for turning the dude in and built 10 more statues of him at Penn State. LOL. Sandusky had something or somebody else in his corner that scared them men to conspire like that.
 
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