TBone2
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Onnidan's Final 2001 Black College Football Poll. Tuskegee#1, Grambling#2
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Dr. Mac
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I won't be surprised if the Sheridon poll comes down the same way. This is the typical "slap the SWAC in the face 'cause they don't play in the I-AA touney so their champion can't be the best HBCU football team" voting bias that always comes down from the heavily East Coast voting base for these polls.
They love the playoffs and view them as justifying the level of talent that teams have.
When will they learn?
Regards.
They love the playoffs and view them as justifying the level of talent that teams have.
When will they learn?
Regards.
T
The Panther Fan
Guest
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FINAL 2001 BCSP TOP 10
1. TUSKEGEE (11-1) - Upset loss to Morehouse prevents back-to-back perfect seasons for Rick Comegy's Golden Tigers. Repeat SIAC and Pioneer Bowl champs.
1. (tie) GRAMBLING STATE (10-1) - One touchdown from a perfect season, Doug Williams' Tigers gain share of 2001 top spot after finishing just behind Tuskegee last year. Repeated as SWAC champions.
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They see 'Skegee listed first and run away with it.
FINAL 2001 BCSP TOP 10
1. TUSKEGEE (11-1) - Upset loss to Morehouse prevents back-to-back perfect seasons for Rick Comegy's Golden Tigers. Repeat SIAC and Pioneer Bowl champs.
1. (tie) GRAMBLING STATE (10-1) - One touchdown from a perfect season, Doug Williams' Tigers gain share of 2001 top spot after finishing just behind Tuskegee last year. Repeated as SWAC champions.
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They see 'Skegee listed first and run away with it.
BLUEBENGAL
Senior Member
FINAL 2001 BCSP TOP 10
1. TUSKEGEE (11-1) - Upset loss to Morehouse prevents back-to-back perfect seasons for Rick Comegy's Golden Tigers. Repeat SIAC and Pioneer Bowl champs.
1. (tie) GRAMBLING STATE (10-1) - One touchdown from a perfect season, Doug Williams' Tigers gain share of 2001 top spot after finishing just behind Tuskegee last year. Repeated as SWAC champions.
3. TENNESSEE StATE (8-3) - Blue Tigers dominated black college opponents, struggled in OVC.
If Grambling was tied for first, Why were they listed second, G comes
before T in the alphabet. Who was ranked second? Looks like
they skipped second because they knew they would offend people if they actually listed Grambling second.
1. TUSKEGEE (11-1) - Upset loss to Morehouse prevents back-to-back perfect seasons for Rick Comegy's Golden Tigers. Repeat SIAC and Pioneer Bowl champs.
1. (tie) GRAMBLING STATE (10-1) - One touchdown from a perfect season, Doug Williams' Tigers gain share of 2001 top spot after finishing just behind Tuskegee last year. Repeated as SWAC champions.
3. TENNESSEE StATE (8-3) - Blue Tigers dominated black college opponents, struggled in OVC.
If Grambling was tied for first, Why were they listed second, G comes
before T in the alphabet. Who was ranked second? Looks like
they skipped second because they knew they would offend people if they actually listed Grambling second.
Robber
Consigliere
What does it matter who was listed 1st??? The numbers say they are TIED at #1.
Kinda reminds me of folk who get financing together or buys a car. They'll scream, "my name is on top," as if that makes them special. They both are equally responsible for the debt, regardless of who's intending to pay. And they equally own a car, regardless of who's name is on top of the title.
Tie means tie. I say they punked out and didn't wanna make somebody an outright winner. Maybe it was Gram. Maybe it wasn't.
I stopped caring about these polls in the '80s when JSU was killing BCF and couldn't get one BCF title. Only black school that would beat us was Tenn. State (every other year), but we couldn't get squat from those East Coast polls. Screw 'em.
Kinda reminds me of folk who get financing together or buys a car. They'll scream, "my name is on top," as if that makes them special. They both are equally responsible for the debt, regardless of who's intending to pay. And they equally own a car, regardless of who's name is on top of the title.
Tie means tie. I say they punked out and didn't wanna make somebody an outright winner. Maybe it was Gram. Maybe it wasn't.
I stopped caring about these polls in the '80s when JSU was killing BCF and couldn't get one BCF title. Only black school that would beat us was Tenn. State (every other year), but we couldn't get squat from those East Coast polls. Screw 'em.
You can see the bias with them doing it with TU being put first. They put all the teams tied for 10th place in alphabet order.
10. BETHUNE-COOKMAN (6-4) - Tied for third in MEAC.
(TIE). FORT VALLEY STATE (8-3) - Same record as Tuskegee in SIAC, lost in first round of Div. II playoffs.
(TIE) MOREHOUSE (8-2) - Same record as Tuskegee in SIAC, only team to defeat Golden Tigers.
(TIE) VIRGINIA UNION (8-3) - CIAA champs dumped by Tuskegee
in Pioneer Bowl.
I would like to see the actually voting numbers to see if they really was tied or if onidan is just trying to passify(sp) both teams especially after TU's coach go on the offensive about his team being #1.
Antroy
Well-Known Member
Now, <b>normally</b> when there is a tie in a poll, <b>the teams are listed in alphabetical order!! Regardless of the records!!</b> It's normal for them to list ties in standing in alphabetical order!! They did it for last place, why not for first place!!
This stinks of Comegy's <b>whining, crying, and complaning!!</b>
Comegy should stop crying, and schedule a game against Gram, I'm sure Doug wouldn't have a problem playing them. I'm a firm believer in strength of schedule, and Gram obviously has the tougher of the two, not to mention, they're a top 10 team in the 1-AA National Poll.
The fact that they play in D-II should do away with all doubt, who the rightful champion is. You won't hear Montana screaming about being the rightful overall champion in college football.
Just because you beat one school on the next level (mind you it's a long standing rivalry), doesn't mean you should be on the same level. 'L', NW St beat TCU, but you don't hear their coach campainging that his team should have been the one playing Texas Tech in the galleryfurniture.com bowl, because they beat a team on the next level.
I'm not taking anything away from what his team has accomplished, because to only lose 2 games in 2 years is remarkable in itself, but don't cry over a mythical championship. Especially if you're not campaigning to play a certain team, or campaigning to move up in competition (non conference games against A&T, BCC, FAMU, GSU, JSU, SU, or TSU) to end the argument, as to who's the rightful champ.
NICE
The fact that they play in D-II should do away with all doubt, who the rightful champion is. You won't hear Montana screaming about being the rightful overall champion in college football.
Just because you beat one school on the next level (mind you it's a long standing rivalry), doesn't mean you should be on the same level. 'L', NW St beat TCU, but you don't hear their coach campainging that his team should have been the one playing Texas Tech in the galleryfurniture.com bowl, because they beat a team on the next level.
I'm not taking anything away from what his team has accomplished, because to only lose 2 games in 2 years is remarkable in itself, but don't cry over a mythical championship. Especially if you're not campaigning to play a certain team, or campaigning to move up in competition (non conference games against A&T, BCC, FAMU, GSU, JSU, SU, or TSU) to end the argument, as to who's the rightful champ.
NICE
CATMENDUE2
The Cat Catcher II
you are so right NICE
NUFF SAID, PERIOD.:idea: :idea: :idea:
NUFF SAID, PERIOD.:idea: :idea: :idea:
G-Nice,
Setting it straight: Tuskegee has only lost one (1) game in the last two years (12-0 in 2000 and 11-1 in 2001)!!! The reason we are having this discussion is because we all know that D2 and 1AA HBCU football is similiar in term of the final product and 1AA folks do not want it to be that way. It hurts their so-called superiority image. 1AA HBCUs have had very little success vs. 1AA PWCs and nearly none against 1A PWC. D2s have been more successful vs. 1AA HBCUs. Nothing stated on this site will change our opinions or your's; therefore, we are wasting time discussing this matter.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Setting it straight: Tuskegee has only lost one (1) game in the last two years (12-0 in 2000 and 11-1 in 2001)!!! The reason we are having this discussion is because we all know that D2 and 1AA HBCU football is similiar in term of the final product and 1AA folks do not want it to be that way. It hurts their so-called superiority image. 1AA HBCUs have had very little success vs. 1AA PWCs and nearly none against 1A PWC. D2s have been more successful vs. 1AA HBCUs. Nothing stated on this site will change our opinions or your's; therefore, we are wasting time discussing this matter.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
S
SUPAKAT69
Guest
Play a season (a whole ten games) in the SWAC (or the Meac) and then holla about being the "HCBU" champs......
Till then.........ya'll don't even exist to us.
("L" what's the point of being the "Self-proclaimed" champions if your own people won't recognize you?? Not because of your accomplishments....but because of the facts: The Meac and the SWAC have tougher schedules....flat out. )
Till then.........ya'll don't even exist to us.
("L" what's the point of being the "Self-proclaimed" champions if your own people won't recognize you?? Not because of your accomplishments....but because of the facts: The Meac and the SWAC have tougher schedules....flat out. )
Attack Dog
Well-Known Member
Just asking...
What success has Tuskegee had against D2 and 1AA PWC's ? What 1AA HBCUs of merit have the ones in D2 beaten?
When you are dealing with state rivalries and bragging rights, you can throw everything else out of the window because the majority of those games go to the team that wants it the most.
What success has Tuskegee had against D2 and 1AA PWC's ? What 1AA HBCUs of merit have the ones in D2 beaten?
When you are dealing with state rivalries and bragging rights, you can throw everything else out of the window because the majority of those games go to the team that wants it the most.
BLUEBENGAL
Senior Member
Sheridan Poll as of December 11, 2001, the final poll will be released January 2, 2002.
December 11, 2001 Sheridan poll listed below:
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/sheridan-poll.htm
December 11, 2001 Sheridan poll listed below:
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/sheridan-poll.htm
MACHIAVELLI
Chairman/C.E.O.
Re: Play a season in the SWAC? "burp. yaawwn."
TELL YOURSELF SOMETHING LONG ENOUGH AND YOU WILL START TO BELIEVE ANYTHING.
TELL YOURSELF SOMETHING LONG ENOUGH AND YOU WILL START TO BELIEVE ANYTHING.
roadblock-2-spr97
New Member
You peeps place too much on the word scholarship. Just because a person was good in high school and got one doesn't mean he is gonna perform the same way in college. Some of the best players have been walk-ons so stop the BS with if TU had 63 scholarships they would be fine in the SWAC cause they wouldn't.
MACK OF THE SWAC
New Member
How did Tuskegee rank in D-II?
Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
Telling and believing? Nothing to tell. Just extrapolate.
Just extrapolate from what is known. Comegy is a heck of a coach/motivator/winner that gets the most out of the least resources in a smaller division and wins. Just imagine if he had more resources and scholarships.
Yeah roadblock, in a way you make a good point. Perhaps that would explain how little Tuskegee et al smaller programs with fewer scholarships manage to beat opponents with more scholarships and larger enrollment. Yet another testiment to the coaching prowess of Comegy and the winning tradition and pride in the program at TU. Other than that, you can't say unequivically that Comegy having the ability to sign more talent would not make him easily competitive in the SWAC. The only reason you and the rest would say otherwise is because this is merely a Tuskegee verses "the SWAC" pissing contest on a message board.
How does Tuskegee rank? This was before the end of the the season. I suspect the ranking could not be worse since Tuskegee has not lost since this poll:
South
1. Valdosta State (11-0)
2. *Tuskegee (8-1)
3. Catawba (9-1)
4. Fort Valley State (8-2)
5. Central Arkansas (9-2)
6. Virginia Union (8-2)
7. Arkansas Tech (8-2)
8. Tusculum (8-1)
9. Morehouse (8-2)
10. Winston-Salem State (8-3)
Just extrapolate from what is known. Comegy is a heck of a coach/motivator/winner that gets the most out of the least resources in a smaller division and wins. Just imagine if he had more resources and scholarships.
Yeah roadblock, in a way you make a good point. Perhaps that would explain how little Tuskegee et al smaller programs with fewer scholarships manage to beat opponents with more scholarships and larger enrollment. Yet another testiment to the coaching prowess of Comegy and the winning tradition and pride in the program at TU. Other than that, you can't say unequivically that Comegy having the ability to sign more talent would not make him easily competitive in the SWAC. The only reason you and the rest would say otherwise is because this is merely a Tuskegee verses "the SWAC" pissing contest on a message board.
How does Tuskegee rank? This was before the end of the the season. I suspect the ranking could not be worse since Tuskegee has not lost since this poll:
South
1. Valdosta State (11-0)
2. *Tuskegee (8-1)
3. Catawba (9-1)
4. Fort Valley State (8-2)
5. Central Arkansas (9-2)
6. Virginia Union (8-2)
7. Arkansas Tech (8-2)
8. Tusculum (8-1)
9. Morehouse (8-2)
10. Winston-Salem State (8-3)
Division II poll as of December 17, 2001 listed below:
1. North Dakota Fighting Sioux
2. Grand Valley State (MI) Lakers
3. Catawba (NC) Indians
4. Valdosta State Blazers
5. California-Davis Aggies
6. Saginaw Valley State (MI) Cardinals
7. Chadron State (NE) Eagles
8. Indiana (PA) Indians
9. Tuskegee (AL) Golden Tigers
10. Tarleton State (TX) Texans
1. North Dakota Fighting Sioux
2. Grand Valley State (MI) Lakers
3. Catawba (NC) Indians
4. Valdosta State Blazers
5. California-Davis Aggies
6. Saginaw Valley State (MI) Cardinals
7. Chadron State (NE) Eagles
8. Indiana (PA) Indians
9. Tuskegee (AL) Golden Tigers
10. Tarleton State (TX) Texans
Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
That looks like the USAToday AFCA Coache's poll, not NCAA.
Just depends on which poll you are talking about.
USAToday.
Final AFCA Division II Coaches' Top 25 college football poll,
with number of first-place votes, season record in
parentheses, total points and previous ranking:
(as of Tuesday, December 11)
TEAM PTS PVS
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1. North Dakota (28) (14-1) 700 4
2. Grand Valley State (MI) (12-1) 672 2
3. Catawba (NC) (11-2) 626 7
4. Valdosta St (GA) (28) (12-1) 612 1
5. UC Davis (10-3) 589 12
6. Saginaw Valley State (MI) (11-2) 551 9
7. Chadron St (NE) (10-1) 450 3
8. Indiana (PA) (8-2) 444 8
9. Tuskegee (AL) (10-1) 433 10
10. Tarleton St (TX) (10-3) 419 17
11. Pittsburg St (KS) (11-2) 399 6
12. Bloomsburg (PA) (9-2) 385 5
13. Texas A&M-Kingsville (9-2) 380 11
14. Winona St (MN) (10-2) 346 13
15. Central Arkansas (9-3) 343 14
16. Nebraska-Omaha (8-3) 282 15
17. Central Missouri (10-2) 248 20
18. Arkansas Tech (8-2) 231 16
19. C.W. Post (NY) (11-1) 215 19
20. Fort Valley St (GA) (8-3) 196 21
21. Tusculum (TN) (8-2) 172 18
22. North Dakota St (7-3) 92 22
23. Western Washington (8-3) 78 13
24. Virginia Union (8-2) 67 --
25. West Georgia (8-3) 54 15
Dropped Out (last week's ranking): Minnesota-Duluth (24).
Others receiving votes: Minnesota-Duluth 35, Shepherd (WV) 23,
Morehouse (GA) 16, Nebraska-Kearney 15, Carson-Newman (TN) 10,
Shippensburg (PA) 9, Missouri Western 6, Northwest Missouri St 5,
Winston-Salem St (NC) 5, Truman St (MO) 5, New Haven (CT) 3,
East Stroudsburg (PA) 3, Delta St (MS) 2.
Here's USAToday's Div I-AA poll:
1. Montana (17) (15-1) 425 1
2. Furman (12-3) 407 3
3. Geo Southern (12-2) 387 2
4. Northern Iowa (11-3) 355 6
5. Lehigh (11-1) 329 7
6. Appalachian St (9-4) 305 9
7. Hofstra (9-3) 297 8
8. Sam Houston St (10-3) 294 13
9. Eastern Ill (9-2) 283 4
10. Western Ky (8-4) 263 10
11. Grambling (10-1) 260 5
12. Maine (9-3) 246 16
13. Mcneese St (8-4) 226 11
14. Northwestern St (8-4) 217 15
15. Northern Arizona (8-4) 203 14
16. Youngstown St (8-3) 188 11
17. William & Mary (8-4) 161 17
18. Eastern Ky (8-2) 140 18
19. Villanova (8-3) 95 20
20. Rhode Island (8-3) 92 21
21. Harvard (9-0) 89 19
22. Florida A&M (7-4) 67 24
23. Tennessee Tech (7-3) 63 23
24. Pennsylvania (8-1) 51 22
25. Portland St (7-4) 29 25
Others Receiving Votes: Tennessee St 21, SFA 10, No
Carolina A&t 6, Eastern Wash 6, Westrn Carolina 5, SMS 2,
So Carolina St 2, Western Ill 1.
Just depends on which poll you are talking about.
USAToday.
Final AFCA Division II Coaches' Top 25 college football poll,
with number of first-place votes, season record in
parentheses, total points and previous ranking:
(as of Tuesday, December 11)
TEAM PTS PVS
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1. North Dakota (28) (14-1) 700 4
2. Grand Valley State (MI) (12-1) 672 2
3. Catawba (NC) (11-2) 626 7
4. Valdosta St (GA) (28) (12-1) 612 1
5. UC Davis (10-3) 589 12
6. Saginaw Valley State (MI) (11-2) 551 9
7. Chadron St (NE) (10-1) 450 3
8. Indiana (PA) (8-2) 444 8
9. Tuskegee (AL) (10-1) 433 10
10. Tarleton St (TX) (10-3) 419 17
11. Pittsburg St (KS) (11-2) 399 6
12. Bloomsburg (PA) (9-2) 385 5
13. Texas A&M-Kingsville (9-2) 380 11
14. Winona St (MN) (10-2) 346 13
15. Central Arkansas (9-3) 343 14
16. Nebraska-Omaha (8-3) 282 15
17. Central Missouri (10-2) 248 20
18. Arkansas Tech (8-2) 231 16
19. C.W. Post (NY) (11-1) 215 19
20. Fort Valley St (GA) (8-3) 196 21
21. Tusculum (TN) (8-2) 172 18
22. North Dakota St (7-3) 92 22
23. Western Washington (8-3) 78 13
24. Virginia Union (8-2) 67 --
25. West Georgia (8-3) 54 15
Dropped Out (last week's ranking): Minnesota-Duluth (24).
Others receiving votes: Minnesota-Duluth 35, Shepherd (WV) 23,
Morehouse (GA) 16, Nebraska-Kearney 15, Carson-Newman (TN) 10,
Shippensburg (PA) 9, Missouri Western 6, Northwest Missouri St 5,
Winston-Salem St (NC) 5, Truman St (MO) 5, New Haven (CT) 3,
East Stroudsburg (PA) 3, Delta St (MS) 2.
Here's USAToday's Div I-AA poll:
1. Montana (17) (15-1) 425 1
2. Furman (12-3) 407 3
3. Geo Southern (12-2) 387 2
4. Northern Iowa (11-3) 355 6
5. Lehigh (11-1) 329 7
6. Appalachian St (9-4) 305 9
7. Hofstra (9-3) 297 8
8. Sam Houston St (10-3) 294 13
9. Eastern Ill (9-2) 283 4
10. Western Ky (8-4) 263 10
11. Grambling (10-1) 260 5
12. Maine (9-3) 246 16
13. Mcneese St (8-4) 226 11
14. Northwestern St (8-4) 217 15
15. Northern Arizona (8-4) 203 14
16. Youngstown St (8-3) 188 11
17. William & Mary (8-4) 161 17
18. Eastern Ky (8-2) 140 18
19. Villanova (8-3) 95 20
20. Rhode Island (8-3) 92 21
21. Harvard (9-0) 89 19
22. Florida A&M (7-4) 67 24
23. Tennessee Tech (7-3) 63 23
24. Pennsylvania (8-1) 51 22
25. Portland St (7-4) 29 25
Others Receiving Votes: Tennessee St 21, SFA 10, No
Carolina A&t 6, Eastern Wash 6, Westrn Carolina 5, SMS 2,
So Carolina St 2, Western Ill 1.