New Orleans Bowl Attendance


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TygerMan

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Food for Thought!:argue: :argue:

The New Orleans Bowl @ Lafayette, LA attendance was announced at 18,338. The SWAC Championship game between Grambling State and Alabama A&M was announced at 20,612.

For BCF fans, the 20,612 attendance was considered in the poor-fair range. Think what a post-season match-up with the SWAC #1 and the MEAC #1 in Atlanta would draw? This year it would have been Gram versus Hamp.:love:

Think of what the payout $$$$$$ could be for the two teams/conferences. The cash could be better than some of these minor bowl games that most of the lower tier 1-A teams with 6-5 (bowl eligible) records get.

Since the PWC conferences want to consider BCF inferior:ebrow: , we ought to laugh all the way to the bank with our product.
 
TygerMan said:
Food for Thought!:argue: :argue:

The New Orleans Bowl @ Lafayette, LA attendance was announced at 18,338. The SWAC Championship game between Grambling State and Alabama A&M was announced at 20,612.

For BCF fans, the 20,612 attendance was considered in the poor-fair range. Think what a post-season match-up with the SWAC #1 and the MEAC #1 in Atlanta would draw? This year it would have been Gram versus Hamp.:love:

Think of what the payout $$$$$$ could be for the two teams/conferences. The cash could be better than some of these minor bowl games that most of the lower tier 1-A teams with 6-5 (bowl eligible) records get.

Since the PWC conferences want to consider BCF inferior:ebrow: , we ought to laugh all the way to the bank with our product.
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Why do you think if you put a black college football game in Atlanta that attendance will be good. Please show me one game in Atlanta that consistently had good crowds besides the Atlanta Classic.

Also the payout will not be more then ANY 1A BOWL GAME.

Have you ever heard of the Heritage Bowl. Yeah we laughed all the way to the bank. Bankruptcy.
 



tsutiger said:
Have you ever heard of the Heritage Bowl. Yeah we laughed all the way to the bank. Bankruptcy.
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Where are your facts to prove this? Are you saying the Heritage Bowl is not played now because it went Bankrupt?
 
The Heritage Bowl folded because the MEAC champion played in the Division 1-AA playoffs instead of the Heritage Bowl and the game was played around Christmas.
 
Tsutiger,

Name any game beside the Atlanta Classic that is a 1-AA game. The Tenn. State / FAMU game was the 3rd ranked 1-AA game in the nation this year (56,297).

Atlanta is a domed stadium, which would not be effected by weather. #1 vs. #1 would draw a crowd in a BCF friendly city. People could plan to attend ahead of time, irregardless of which team was playing.

Read (and comprehend) :mrt: I stated a bigger draw the any <B>Minor</B> bowl of "most of" <B><I>Lower 1-AA</B></I> teams. Particularly citing those teams that are bowl eligible with six wins.

As DAHILL pointed out the Heritage Bowl did not go bankrupt ... the draw was not there. There is an NCAA policy in place that prohibits teams from participating in more than 1 post season game.

One last thing, with the MEAC and SWAC already with an ESPN contract, there is a ready-made TV package on the table.:bowdown:
 
Both schools in last night's bowl game walked away with a $750,000 payout. That's probably way more than the SWAC Championship game. Attendance doesn't tell the whole story.
 
That poorly attended Bowl game paid out over $1M to the teams, collectively. That's one thing the Heritage Bowl didn't come close to.
 
Dude...the game got those numbers because it was not in NEW ORLEANS....dayum...some of yall are dumb as fugg....

Kenn can we start doing background checks on some of these newbies....

What were the numbers from the game last year and the year before???
 
tsutiger said:
Why do you think if you put a black college football game in Atlanta that attendance will be good. Please show me one game in Atlanta that consistently had good crowds besides the Atlanta Classic.

Also the payout will not be more then ANY 1A BOWL GAME.

Have you ever heard of the Heritage Bowl. Yeah we laughed all the way to the bank. Bankruptcy.
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The Heritage Bowl averaged 25 to 30K fans. That is not poor attendance. Also, it has been "mildly" stated on these board several times that the Heritage Bowl was cancelled because Rudy Washington started the SCG. By NCAA by-laws, SU was not supposed to participate in TWO post season games in a conference with less than 12 teams. If the SWAC had 12 teams, we would have had a Heritage Bowl this year between Grambling and South Carolina State-which would probably be a larger draw than Grambling-Hampton.

I also doubt seriously that the HB went bankrupt. With McDonalds as the Title sponsor and NBC coverage, the last Heritage Bowl was probably the most lucrative of it's time.
 
Mr. Tiger said:
Both schools in last night's bowl game walked away with a $750,000 payout. That's probably way more than the SWAC Championship game. Attendance doesn't tell the whole story.
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Yeah, but sponsorship does. I guess you think sponsors won't jump into this with both feet and put up the cash for Hertiage Bowl.
 
Dahill,

I wasn’t saying the Heritage LITERALLY went bankrupt. But I am LITERALLY saying the Heritage Bowl lost it’s title sponsor and TV contract. That I do know.

TygerMan said:
Tsutiger,

Name any game beside the Atlanta Classic that is a 1-AA game. The Tenn. State / FAMU game was the 3rd ranked 1-AA game in the nation this year (56,297).

Atlanta is a domed stadium, which would not be effected by weather. #1 vs. #1 would draw a crowd in a BCF friendly city. People could plan to attend ahead of time, irregardless of which team was playing.

Read (and comprehend) :mrt: I stated a bigger draw the any <B>Minor</B> bowl of "most of" <B><I>Lower 1-AA</B></I> teams. Particularly citing those teams that are bowl eligible with six wins.

As DAHILL pointed out the Heritage Bowl did not go bankrupt ... the draw was not there. There is an NCAA policy in place that prohibits teams from participating in more than 1 post season game.

One last thing, with the MEAC and SWAC already with an ESPN contract, there is a ready-made TV package on the table.:bowdown:
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Dude you don’t get it. Remove TSU and FAMU from the Atlanta Classic and replace them with any two other teams and I guarantee attendance will be no where near what those two schools do. Remove Gram and Southern from the Bayoo and replace them with two other teams and the same thing will happen. There are ONLY 6 teams that are a draw, and Hampton is not one of the six. Atlanta does not support BCF like you think. Don’t use the Atlanta Classic as an comparison, because it’s a horrible comparison on what other schools would draw in Atlanta.

Do some research first on how bowl games work. Not classics but bowl games. Then you will understand why the payout of the New Orl. Bowl is $750K. Or not 750K. If you’re one of those people who don’t favor the 1AA playoffs because playoff teams lose money. Just know the Bowl teams lose money too.
 
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/sports/hbcu05/Bwlng4dollars

Without a decent gate where is the payback? According to the NCAA Post-Season Handbook “Institutions participating in a certified domestic postseason football game shall receive the greater of 75 percent of the gross receipts or $750,000 each”. Most of that money comes from sponsors and negotiated television rights. Many of those same sponsors ante up for the Bayou Classic because of the large audience it draws. Thank of what our schools could do with that kind of money.
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This is how bowl games work. Who's going to pay that type of money for a 1AA game with less then 30K fans?
 
Dr. Sweet NUPE said:
Dude...the game got those numbers because it was not in NEW ORLEANS....dayum...some of yall are dumb as fugg....

Kenn can we start doing background checks on some of these newbies....

What were the numbers from the game last year and the year before???
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The location did have a lot to do with the attendance because this game has been growing each year. And the two schools received $750,000 each.

2001 -- 18,868
2002 -- 19,024
2003 -- 25,184
2004 -- 27,253
 
They receive $750,000 but more than likely, each school goes into the RED to participate in these low end bowls. I know that Arkansas participated in that bowl game in Nashville a few years ago and it cost them $250,000 after the $750,000 payout. That $250,000 is worth it to most schools to get in the extra practices and the extra game.

No one loses in the long run for these bowl games. Sponsors get to market their product. That game was the ONLY football game on in American last night, you can't beat that. Teams get the extra practices and something to help them recruit.

Bowl games simply don't depend on attendance to turn a profit.
 



Da_Sperm said:
They receive $750,000 but more than likely, each school goes into the RED to participate in these low end bowls. I know that Arkansas participated in that bowl game in Nashville a few years ago and it cost them $250,000 after the $750,000 payout. That $250,000 is worth it to most schools to get in the extra practices and the extra game.

No one loses in the long run for these bowl games. Sponsors get to market their product. That game was the ONLY football game on in American last night, you can't beat that. Teams get the extra practices and something to help them recruit.

Bowl games simply don't depend on attendance to turn a profit.
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The two schools will have to pay travel cost and to house and feed its team and the remainder of their official entourage with that $750,000. The same thing goes for the BCF classics except the promoter pays the expenses then pays the two schools. The non-BCS schools really use the bowl game as a recruiting tool more than a moneymaker. They make their money in home games and by scheduling out of conference beatings against BCS schools. My question is how much money did the SWAC Conference Championship game really make Grambling and Alabama A&M? One thing the game doesn't have is the stadium expense so that helps.
 
Da_Sperm said:
They receive $750,000 but more than likely, each school goes into the RED to participate in these low end bowls. I know that Arkansas participated in that bowl game in Nashville a few years ago and it cost them $250,000 after the $750,000 payout. That $250,000 is worth it to most schools to get in the extra practices and the extra game.

No one loses in the long run for these bowl games. Sponsors get to market their product. That game was the ONLY football game on in American last night, you can't beat that. Teams get the extra practices and something to help them recruit.

Bowl games simply don't depend on attendance to turn a profit.
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The bowls themselves may turn a profit, but in the end, at least in the short term, most of the schools that participate in the low end bowls do end up losing money. There was a report in USA Today a few years ago, in 2000 or 2001, 19 of 38 teams that went to bowl games lost money on the trip. In addition to the expenses of having the football team, coaching staff, equipment, administration, and possibly band attend the game, many bowls also require schools to purchase a minimun number of tickets. A good portion of those tickets go unsold, and the school loses that money. Even here at the University of Michigan, the school is having trouble selling its allotment of Alamo Bowl tickets, and that loss will have to be absorbed, but a school as large as Michigan can handle a loss like that. Going to a bowl isn't always all it's cracked up to be, $750,000 can go pretty quickly.
 
My thinking is the low end bowl game may be a loss for the school financially in the short term, but it can do nothing but HELP in the long run. Take for instance, Arkansas State. They have NEVER been to a bowl game. They have recruiting power now that they didn't have before. Is that worth taking a loss on appearing in a bowl game? Yeah, for a school like that.

Don't the schools give each player individual monies to get to/from the bowl location from their home?
 
One thing many of us get into is the fact we try to generalize our comments on subject a particular subject and it does not always fit because usually there are several factors that take place.

It must be noted (a couple of individuals alluded to this), while the NCAA requires bowl games to payout a minimum of $750,000, they bowl committees are allowed to tie a contingent of the percentage of tickets sales to that $750K. It should also be noted that the ability of an institution to generate revenue on participation in a bowl game is generally based on the institutions administration?s philosophies.

For example Southern Miss has created a philosophy that generally allows them to generate revenue from the bowl appearances. They try to only accept bowl bids that are regionally located i.e. AV1 Houston Bowl, GMC Bowl, New Orleans Bowl, and Liberty. 1) This allows the athletic administration to bus the team instead of the higher cost of air travel. 2) They do not include a large school administration entourage for their bowl bids, which decreases cost associated with travel, food, lodging, and etc. 3) Regionally located bowl game, in turn allows for their booster groups and fans to buy their required ticket allotment which is another factor in generating revenue.

While it is true that many of the BCS level programs may generate a deficit in their participation in a bowl game that offers a smaller payout guarantee. It should be pointed out that BCS level programs received a share of the revenue distributed from the sum of the all the money generated from the entire league?s participation in bowl. So, while a team may only play in a bowl game that distributes a $1 million to each team, while it cost the BCS level program $1.25 million to participate (because of larger entourage that travels for sports events and such bowl games).

The BCS conference will supplement the team with the $250K so they will not lose money in operating their overall athletic budget, nor does this include the conference overall revenue sharing payout from corporate sponsorships, championship games, and various revenue sharing media mediums (television, radio, internet, & etc).
 
Additional Information & Example: ACC Bowl Game Participation

Dec. 27 Champs Sports ESPN ($862,000) Clemson vs. Colorado

Dec. 28 MPB Computers ESPN ($750,000) Boise State vs. Boston College

Dec. 29 Emerald ESPN ($750,000) Utah vs. Georgia Tech

Dec. 30 Music City ESPN ($780,000) Virginia vs. Minnesota

Dec. 30 Peach ESPN ($2.35 million) Miami vs. LSU

Dec. 31 Meineke ESPN2 ($750,000) S. Florida vs. N. Carolina State

Jan. 2 Gator NBC ($1.6 million) Va. Tech vs. Louisville

Jan. 3 Orange ABC ($14-17 million) Penn State vs. Florida State

Total split between ACC members this bowl season $21.842~$24.842 million divided by 12 = $1.820~$2.070. So actually a team in the ACC would have to spend over this amount before they would view an overall lost in participating in a bowl game when everything is said and done. Again, this does not include the revenue sharing distribution that would be shared in the ACC.
 
Jafus (Thinker) said:
Additional Information & Example: ACC Bowl Game Participation

Dec. 27 Champs Sports ESPN ($862,000) Clemson vs. Colorado

Dec. 28 MPB Computers ESPN ($750,000) Boise State vs. Boston College

Dec. 29 Emerald ESPN ($750,000) Utah vs. Georgia Tech

Dec. 30 Music City ESPN ($780,000) Virginia vs. Minnesota

Dec. 30 Peach ESPN ($2.35 million) Miami vs. LSU

Dec. 31 Meineke ESPN2 ($750,000) S. Florida vs. N. Carolina State

Jan. 2 Gator NBC ($1.6 million) Va. Tech vs. Louisville

Jan. 3 Orange ABC ($14-17 million) Penn State vs. Florida State

Total split between ACC members this bowl season $21.842~$24.842 million divided by 12 = $1.820~$2.070. So actually a team in the ACC would have to spend over this amount before they would view an overall lost in participating in a bowl game when everything is said and down. Again, this does not include the revenue sharing distribution that would be shared in the ACC.
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You beat me to it Jafus, I was going to post something similiar to this, by saying the schools don't lose, because the conferences share profits. Vanderbilt has been riding the SEC wave for years.

NICE
 
Robber said:
That poorly attended Bowl game paid out over $1M to the teams, collectively. That's one thing the Heritage Bowl didn't come close to.
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To my understanding this is true.
 
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