NCAA Tournament Game Thread: #16 Southern vs. #1 Gonzaga


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Journalist said:
sTu folks, can y'all help me out on this: Omar, Sturdivant and a couple other key players are gone after this season, correct?
I think a couple other key guys from UAPB are gone also.

We lose Beltran, Grace, Bol and Moore. Chris Hyder is more than likely going to be the starting PG, Miller probably at the 2 or 3, and Mitchell will be back at the 4. Plus, we have some transfers that will suit up next season to fill those other voids.

Kendrick,

Yeah mane, I'm not afraid of the NCAA Tournament. I'm more afraid of the conference tournament. There are more land mines in the conference tournament than a Cambodian pasture.
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C Bo will likely have competition.
 



kendrick said:
Yeah, Texas Southern was 16-2 in league play this year.

The only trepidation I have for Southern is the dreaded conference tournament that took out a great Norfolk State team this year after the Spartans had a tremendous regular season.
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And took out North Carolina Central too, who was right behind them in the standings.
 
Interesting out of conference wins for the SWAC this year:

Big Wins
Southern over Texas A&M
Alabama A&M over Mississippi State
Prairie View over University of Houston

On a smaller scale:
Southern U. lambaste Louisiana-Monroe
Texas Southern over Louisiana-Lafayette
Alabama State over Troy
Southern U. over South Dakota
Alcorn State over Samford
 
Interesting piece in the Seattle Times:

Zags respect Jags

Giacoletti said the 23 victories for Southern told him this was a competitive bunch, because such underfunded programs must go on the road in nonconference play and play "guarantee" games for a paycheck — and usually a loss.

Southern played at Iowa State, Nebraska, Wyoming, Tulane, TCU and Texas A&M, winning at A&M, playing Nebraska within 11 and Wyoming within seven.

"Hey," said Giacoletti, "I had a team at Eastern (Washington, when he was head coach there), when we won 18 games, and with five guarantee games, it's not an easy thing to do."
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http://seattletimes.com/html/gonzaga/2020614715_gonzaganotes22.html
 
kendrick said:
Well, going back and examining the No. 16 seeds that have come the closet to beating No. 1 (Holy Cross, Princeton, Western Carolina, Eastern Tennessee State, Murray State and UNC-Ashville) only two of those schools didn't make the tournament the following season.

In fact, four of those schools improved their seeding. Princeton, who lost to No. 1 seed Georgetown by 1 in 1990, was a No. 8 seed when they entered the field in 1991. So, Southern should be the odds on favorite to return.
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You forgot one #16 Texas Southern taking #1 Arkansas to double over-time and Arkansas going on to blow everyone else out to win the Nat. Ship.
 
Da Sleeper said:
You forgot one #16 Texas Southern taking #1 Arkansas to double over-time and Arkansas going on to blow everyone else out to win the Nat. Ship.
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Are you talking about 1995? If not then what year was it? If so then TSU lost to Arkansas by one after being down by about 17 in Austin. TSU was a 15th seed while Arkansas was at number two. It did not go into overtime.

I listened to that game over the TSU station while driving through Houston.
 
EB said:
Are you talking about 1995? If not then what year was it? If so then TSU lost to Arkansas by one after being down by about 17 in Austin. TSU was a 15th seed while Arkansas was at number two. It did not go into overtime.

I listened to that game over the TSU station while driving through Houston.
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I thought it was 94, the year after SU's win. Tsu was up by 2, and Randy(Forgot his name, now coaching at Meridan High) missed two free those with 7 seconds left and Scottie Thurmond made a 3 at the buzzer for the win.
 
Jag-BR said:
BYE BYE GONZAGA. BEYOTCH
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....look, I read this from the USA Today iOS app....

"Wichita State took the blueprint established Thursday by No. 16 Southern for how to rattle the Zags, and just started shooting from the perimeter."




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SUjagTILLiDIE said:
I thought it was 94, the year after SU's win. Tsu was up by 2, and Randy(Forgot his name, now coaching at Meridan High) missed two free those with 7 seconds left and Scottie Thurmond made a 3 at the buzzer for the win.
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Yeah the Razorbacks won it all in 94 as a number one seed. But Da Sleeper got the years mixed up. He's talking about 95. In 95, as a number 2 seed, they made it back to the championship game but lost to UCLA. In the first round of the 95 tournament they beat Texas Southern by 1 point.
 



bigmanofds said:
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....look, I read this from the USA Today iOS app....

"Wichita State took the blueprint established Thursday by No. 16 Southern for how to rattle the Zags, and just started shooting from the perimeter."




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Everyone was saying that on Twitter.... that and that Gonzaga should have lost to Southern :lol:
 
ALREADY KNOWIN' said:
Yeah the Razorbacks won it all in 94 as a number one seed. But Da Sleeper got the years mixed up. He's talking about 95. In 95, as a number 2 seed, they made it back to the championship game but lost to UCLA. In the first round of the 95 tournament they beat Texas Southern by 1 point.
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I believe that in '94 TSU played Duke. They were a 15 seed.

In '95 they were a number two seed, and I thought that they should have gotten a 13 or 14 seed. TSU had one of the more impressive regular seasons by a SWAC team in the last 25-30 years. (JSU had an excellent regular season in 1993.) TSU among other wins defeated nationally ranked Minnesota 91-70 in Minneapolis.
 
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bigmanofds said:
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....look, I read this from the USA Today iOS app....

"Wichita State took the blueprint established Thursday by No. 16 Southern for how to rattle the Zags, and just started shooting from the perimeter."




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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The 3-point line is the great equalizer in college basketball. It's waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy to close.
 
kendrick said:
The 3-point line is the great equalizer in college basketball. It's waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy to close.
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They need to move the men's and women's college 3-point line to the FIBA/International distance.

Now here is where the rub is:
The university cut scholarships after our baseball team's run in 2003 (Rickie Weeks' last year). I think our baseball program hasn't been the same since then.

What administrative decisions at Southern, and the SWAC, will help bolster/hinder the men's basketball programs' growth?
Think about this, the West Coast Conference had three teams in the dance (Gonzaga, Pacific and Mount St. Mary's). What is the plan for the SWAC to pool resources and plan to make a push for multiple NCAA Tournament berths on the men's side.


Now is a great time for our schools/SWAC to perform a good SWOT analysis (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats). Do that, and let's move progressively toward improving our product.
 
Journalist said:
They need to move the men's and women's college 3-point line to the FIBA/International distance.

Now here is where the rub is:
The university cut scholarships after our baseball team's run in 2003 (Rickie Weeks' last year). I think our baseball program hasn't been the same since then.

What administrative decisions at Southern, and the SWAC, will help bolster/hinder the men's basketball programs' growth?
Think about this, the West Coast Conference had three teams in the dance (Gonzaga, Pacific and Mount St. Mary's). What is the plan for the SWAC to pool resources and plan to make a push for multiple NCAA Tournament berths on the men's side.


Now is a great time for our schools/SWAC to perform a good SWOT analysis (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats). Do that, and let's move progressively toward improving our product.
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I think a lot of the change your talking about will have to come from a change in attitude and culture of some of the programs. I believe with some of the with of the new coaches like Banks and Davis coming in that is starting to happen. Your going to have to be able to recruit and find diamonds in the ground.
 
Journalist said:
They need to move the men's and women's college 3-point line to the FIBA/International distance.

Now here is where the rub is:
The university cut scholarships after our baseball team's run in 2003 (Rickie Weeks' last year). I think our baseball program hasn't been the same since then.

What administrative decisions at Southern, and the SWAC, will help bolster/hinder the men's basketball programs' growth?
Think about this, the West Coast Conference had three teams in the dance (Gonzaga, Pacific and Mount St. Mary's). What is the plan for the SWAC to pool resources and plan to make a push for multiple NCAA Tournament berths on the men's side.


Now is a great time for our schools/SWAC to perform a good SWOT analysis (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats). Do that, and let's move progressively toward improving our product.
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That is true. I remember when they cut them and their stupid explanation for cutting them. Tell the SWAC office and presidents to (insert a famous Ludacris song here).
 
Journalist said:
They need to move the men's and women's college 3-point line to the FIBA/International distance.

Now here is where the rub is:
The university cut scholarships after our baseball team's run in 2003 (Rickie Weeks' last year). I think our baseball program hasn't been the same since then.

What administrative decisions at Southern, and the SWAC, will help bolster/hinder the men's basketball programs' growth?
Think about this, the West Coast Conference had three teams in the dance (Gonzaga, Pacific and Mount St. Mary's). What is the plan for the SWAC to pool resources and plan to make a push for multiple NCAA Tournament berths on the men's side.


Now is a great time for our schools/SWAC to perform a good SWOT analysis (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats). Do that, and let's move progressively toward improving our product.
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I agree with this post

You have a little day light shinning now...it's time for the commissioner or whoever the big wigs that sit on the board to take advantage of this little exposure...It's time for the SWAC to be that conference once again like how it was in the 90s per say...but I doubt that shat will even happen..
 
I will use the Gonzaga format...They were in the same position per say SU is in..coming from a small conference...being the little small team and upsetting your big teams..I think they opened the door up for these small mid-conferences to get some shine in the tourney....Now as stated you have 2 and 3 teams representing these mid-majors (what they calling them now) conferences...I say follow the blueprint of what these smaller schools have done...
 
Bighead said:
I will use the Gonzaga format...They were in the same position per say SU is in..coming from a small conference...being the little small team and upsetting your big teams..I think they opened the door up for these small mid-conferences to get some shine in the tourney....Now as stated you have 2 and 3 teams representing these mid-majors (what they calling them now) conferences...I say follow the blueprint of what these smaller schools have done...
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I never understood how Basketball and other sports where we compete against All DI has never been the priorty Sports. If we build our Basketball Programs we can be on National TV (sportscenter, etc) every Saturday and Monday for 4 months.
Football is the cash cow but from the figures Ive seen at Grambling, it really isnt. What we brought in, we spent in that same Season. We need to take a Couple of Dollars out of Football and build these basketball programs.
 
Same issue we have with everything else, if we fund our programs better we will have better results. The level of coaching in the SWAC is definitely on an upswing with Davis at TXSU and Banks at SU, now we just need to get better players. In college basketball all you need is 1-2 stars and just surround them with kids who know their role.
 
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