NAACP plans Alabama boycott

[SwarmingHornet]

I watched ?For the Record? last night. The former head of the Alabama Republican Party, Tom Collins, was on with Tim Lexxon. He has started a campaign to put a stop to the governor?s tax plan. It was a funny site to me because he looked like his best friend had run off with his wife. He claims that this plan will be the end to Alabama.

Get this he proposes that colleges and junior colleges start to turn off lights to save the state money. Collins also said that the Governor should curtail 200 million dollars earmarked for building new facilities on state colleges and junior colleges over the next ten years. I find all this amazing since he balked at a question from a caller that asked him about the taxation on farms with more than 2000 acres. He said this tax would impose too many tax burdens on small farms. When Tim and the caller reminded him that most small family farms are average 189 acres at best, he again bulked.

Until this point, I have had no intentions on supporting this package but seeing how it irks the republicans, I am reconsidering it. On a serious note, I know that our schools need the money. I am just leery on voting for a package that supports arbitration and no accountability for funding the poor school systems. I really need to study this more.

 

[Smiley]

[/B]

went farther than anything in the history of Alabama???!!!!! it at least starts to cut into the monopoly big business and large land owners have enjoyed since 1901!! I mean,, this is a no-brainer yes vote as I see it.

Since this is a start.....if the vote fails. How about going back to the plan and modifying the areas in question and bring it back for a vote. This biggest problem here is people have a hard time going back and revising things. They just give up. It is unacceptable for anyone to bring a plate of half cooked food and say eat it or nothing. For me something is not better than nothing. We as a people must so accepting because it is better than nothing, or its helping a little........Ahhh Hum Bugg!

 

[SwarmingHornet]

Originally posted by Smiley


Since this is a start.....if the vote fails. How about going back to the plan and modifying the areas in question and bring it back for a vote. This biggest problem here is people have a hard time going back and revising things. They just give up. It is unacceptable for anyone to bring a plate of half cooked food and say eat it or nothing. For me something is not better than nothing. We as a people must so accepting because it is better than nothing, or its helping a little........Ahhh Hum Bugg! [/B]

That's an :idea: . You are right on point!!!

 

[Attack Dog]

If Riley's plan fails he will have no choice, but to twik it. He can't wait until the election. I'm sure, atleast I hope, he has a backup plan. If he doesn't things are going to get real ugly. Anytime a republican begins talking about increasing taxes (with this state's history), you know there has to be an EXTREME problem.

I've never been able to understand how, in a democratic republic, the majority can be controlled by a very small minority

at the Alabama Constitution of 1901.

 

[AAMU Alum]

If Riley's plan buys the farm (which it looks more and more like it will,) I say go back to Siegelman's plan...THE LOTTERY! Tennessee will have a lottery before the end of 2003. That will mean that the four bordering states will have lotteries (or in the case of MS, gaming casinos,) but, eh, same thing!

People will then have one more location to take their monies outside of Alabama. I know the churches don't want to hear this, but the churches have yet to come up with an alternative for the first lottery referendum they defeated.

The money's gotta come from somewhere! :look:

 

[Attack Dog]

You're right Alum...

but I have an evil thought that the surrounding states are paying the ministers to keep there congregations from voting for the lottery. It's sad, but I don't think ministers are the only ones getting paid.

 

[CEE DOG]

When I went home to the Atl. this weekend I read in the paper where the Ga. Lottery put 5.8 billion dollars in the Ga. public school system last year. Now if somebody in Alabama can tell me when is the last time we had that kind of money put in our school system or an alternative method then I would be agianst the lottery. As of now I vote yes for a lottery.

 

[Bartram]

Originally posted by Smiley


Since this is a start.....if the vote fails. How about going back to the plan and modifying the areas in question and bring it back for a vote. This biggest problem here is people have a hard time going back and revising things. They just give up. It is unacceptable for anyone to bring a plate of half cooked food and say eat it or nothing. For me something is not better than nothing. We as a people must so accepting because it is better than nothing, or its helping a little........Ahhh Hum Bugg! [/B]

Well,,,, I would only say that if it is that easy to send it back for a few tweeks, it should be that easy to tweek the laws after you pass all the other overwhelmingly good parts of the plan,,, right? I mean,,, surely, if you are confident you could send this plan back and have it fined-tuned some more,, and that you have the political and popular support to do so,,, why not pass all the generally good things in the plan and tweek the bad parts later??? :idea:

PS: there are some unexpecteds that someone mentioned that are disturbing. will address those in next reply.

 

[Bartram]

Originally posted by Attack Dog
If Riley's plan fails he will have no choice, but to twik it. He can't wait until the election. I'm sure, atleast I hope, he has a backup plan. If he doesn't things are going to get real ugly. Anytime a republican begins talking about increasing taxes (with this state's history), you know there has to be an EXTREME problem.

I've never been able to understand how, in a democratic republic, the majority can be controlled by a very small minority

at the Alabama Constitution of 1901.

Riley's plan is do or die in this vote for the foreseable future. the same thing was said about the MAPS vote in Birmingham (i.e., the vote on a comprehensive package to raise money for an array of metro area improvements for schools, parks, neighborhoods, mass transit and a domed stadium.). The naysayers said vote it down, we got a better plan,, blah, blah, blah. After it was voted down, there has been nothing further on the situation (John Rodger's antics notwithstanding,, which have no soil being turned mind you.). The same was also said about the Seigleman's lotto; "this is not the best plan!" "it's morally wrong!" "we can fund our schools if we tighten our belts and are fiscally responsible!" "we have a better plan!". Ok,, it was voted down,,, where's the other plan? where's the churches, the religious groups with all the alternative plans to solving the education funding issues in the state? Where are they since the lotto crash-and-burn???

nowhere to be found, other than at car washes for private schools raising money for the schools and at group sessions figuring out strategy to keep things as they are except push through school vouchers.

 

[Bartram]

Originally posted by CEE DOG
When I went home to the Atl. this weekend I read in the paper where the Ga. Lottery put 5.8 billion dollars in the Ga. public school system last year. Now if somebody in Alabama can tell me when is the last time we had that kind of money put in our school system or an alternative method then I would be agianst the lottery. As of now I vote yes for a lottery.

See one of my replies on how the lotto was voted down by this same "just say no" mentality.

WELL, AT LEAST IN ALABAMA, WE ARE MORALLY CORRECT AND OUR SCHOOLS AREN'T USING DIRTY LOTTO MONEY TAKEN FROM THE BACKS OF THE POOREST PEOPLE IN THE STATE TO FUND OUR SCHOOLS AND SCHOLARSHIPS FOR THE RICHEST KIDS IN THE STATE. (and who mostly be buying lotto tickets??) Now,,, will somebody (like the liberal media) give Alabama some props for that,, for "sticking to principles"??? no,, Alabama gets no props for that, only labled as "backwards" for not having lottos, gambling, blah, blah, blah by your average citizens. Alabama gets it no matter what.

That was off on a tangent chock full of metaphor, hyperbole. Why we don't have a lotto, when now we are also belly-aching about increased taxes,,, when we have the 45-50th lowest taxes in the country,,, is absolutely amazing. Alabama is incredible.

 

[Attack Dog]

So sad, but so true.

 

[Smiley]

As I said before, once something gets turned down we are afraid to come back with a modified plan. We just go away with our tails tucked.

Don and/or the legislatives should have came back with a modified Lotto Plan. Don threw the plan out and said this or nothing, end of Lotto.

Bob's bringing out the Tax Plan and right now saying this or nothing.

I understand you are not going to please all of the people but....... he needs to modify the plan as it stands now. One is developing the budget year in and year out. Secondly, everyone needs to pay more taxes but.........it needs to be equitable (big timber land holders).

Lets not forget that 1/2 of Riley's plan was approved by the Democratic Controlled Legislature. The portion that did not have to go to the people of the State.

I've never been able to understand how, in a democratic republic, the majority can be controlled by a very small minority

Money Talks from City Hall to the White House, just look @ GW!

 

[Bartram]

Originally posted by Smiley


As I said before, once something gets turned down we are afraid to come back with a modified plan. We just go away with our tails tucked.

Don and/or the legislatives should have came back with a modified Lotto Plan. Don threw the plan out and said this or nothing, end of Lotto.

Bob's bringing out the Tax Plan and right now saying this or nothing.

I understand you are not going to please all of the people but....... he needs to modify the plan as it stands now. One is developing the budget year in and year out. Secondly, everyone needs to pay more taxes but.........it needs to be equitable (big timber land holders).

Lets not forget that 1/2 of Riley's plan was approved by the Democratic Controlled Legislature. The portion that did not have to go to the people of the State.

Money Talks from City Hall to the White House, just look @ GW!

Yeah, i'm confused too.

Again, like I said, if you are so sure that these changes will pass, why not change them after the bulk of the good aspects of the tax plan pass?

Also,

it needs to be equitable (big timber land holders).

Huh? That's precisely what/who this tax plan goes after. His plan would end the "continuous use" provision on 2,000 acreas of land and more which grabs most of the big timber/land owners who have been getting over on that provision paying relatively nothing in taxes since 1901. I don't get your point on that comment.

As for the lotto, the bottom line there is Alabama would have been against it no matter what. That's why opposition evaporated after the defeat when the schools were still falling apart and money was still needed. Also, Don did tweak as much as possible given the way politics works. You have to bargain, compromise, get the best deal you can and go with a proposal for an up or down vote; you don't have forever to tweek. My thing is, though, the opposition in both instances really had no alternate plan (for MAPS and the lotto) although they said they did. The only plan they had was to kill MAPS, the lotto, and now historic tax/education reforum.

Money talks? yeah,,,,,,,,,,? You don't pay bills with love, fairness, morals, religion, etc,,, those are all nice things,, but lets face it,,, nobody accepts them in exchange for goods and services, I mean,,,,,,

 

[Dr. Sweet NUPE]

Man I am so scared of the NAACP......man....thye scare me.

 

[Bartram]

The NAACP

Originally posted by Dr. Sweet NUPE
Man I am so scared of the NAACP......man....thye scare me.

I saw something today where the NAACP was about to boycott or protest Ebay for people selling stuff on the net that they consider objectional/"racists"? is this true?