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This is an Article that appeared in the CL a couple days ago written by former JSU beat writer David Brandt. Although I think we all know many of issues that confront us, it is still worth a read and I think the comments made by Eddie Payton are on point!


JACKSON – Years before Jackie Slater was a Hall of Fame offensive lineman, he was playing for Wingfield High School in Jackson and hoping to attract the attention of college scouts.

This was in the early 1970s — about the time Southeastern Conference football teams were just beginning to recruit black players — so this massive teenager was mostly ignored by the big schools. But Jackson State welcomed him.

“It was where I was wanted,” Slater recalled. “And it’s where I could excel.”




http://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/jackson-state/2014/05/26/jackson-state/9615751/
 
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Very good points made by the writer of the article and by Eddie Payton. Now instead of going back and forth to show who is right, how do we fix the problem?
 
We don't have folks who are willing to promote our cause. Our schools have excellent athletes, but individual schools must establish a publicity vehicle to promote our players. It is not enough to select the player of the week and etc. The conference need to become more active in raising the non selection of our athletics. Nobody is going to do anything unless we question the selection process. There is nothing wrong with talking with coaches and owners in the league to find out whey our players are not getting drafted. We cannot leave it up to the NFL to promote our players, but we can publicize our players. All conferences have great players, but we need to promote our players no matter which SWAC or MEAC University they attend. If the writer can identify the problem, he can assist in promoting our best players. We don't raise enough hell. We made progress by protesting and if you don't think we need to protest, you are living in a dream world.
 
kendrick said:
Is there are problem?
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How to get good talent to come to our HBCU's, while at the same time attracting good talent that is good in the classroom also. Also, we are lacking money and facilities that is needed to have a quality program.
 
MightyDog said:
We don't have folks who are willing to promote our cause. Our schools have excellent athletes, but individual schools must establish a publicity vehicle to promote our players. It is not enough to select the player of the week and etc. The conference need to become more active in raising the non selection of our athletics. Nobody is going to do anything unless we question the selection process. There is nothing wrong with talking with coaches and owners in the league to find out whey our players are not getting drafted. We cannot leave it up to the NFL to promote our players, but we can publicize our players. All conferences have great players, but we need to promote our players no matter which SWAC or MEAC University they attend. If the writer can identify the problem, he can assist in promoting our best players. We don't raise enough hell. We made progress by protesting and if you don't think we need to protest, you are living in a dream world.
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Interesting points!
 
NDSU didn't have a single player drafted this year. Neither did Texas for that matter.

We gotta understand that only a handful of non-FBS players get taken in a given year. The SEC had 49 players taken compared to 15 for the entire FCS.
 
kendrick said:
NDSU didn't have a single player drafted this year. Neither did Texas for that matter.

We gotta understand that only a handful of non-FBS players get taken in a given year. The SEC had 49 players taken compared to 15 for the entire FCS.
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Folks gonna realize this ain't just a SWAC problem. This is a non-power 5 problem. NDSU. 3 straight FCS titles. 0 players drafted.
 
kendrick said:
NDSU didn't have a single player drafted this year. Neither did Texas for that matter.

We gotta understand that only a handful of non-FBS players get taken in a given year. The SEC had 49 players taken compared to 15 for the entire FCS.
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In_The_662 said:
Folks gonna realize this ain't just a SWAC problem. This is a non-power 5 problem. NDSU. 3 straight FCS titles. 0 players drafted.
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I believe the Tackle Billy Turner from NDSU was drafted. It is a problem because the SWAC back in the day was known for turning out players.
 
MightyDog said:
We don't have folks who are willing to promote our cause. Our schools have excellent athletes, but individual schools must establish a publicity vehicle to promote our players. It is not enough to select the player of the week and etc. The conference need to become more active in raising the non selection of our athletics. Nobody is going to do anything unless we question the selection process. There is nothing wrong with talking with coaches and owners in the league to find out whey our players are not getting drafted. We cannot leave it up to the NFL to promote our players, but we can publicize our players. All conferences have great players, but we need to promote our players no matter which SWAC or MEAC University they attend. If the writer can identify the problem, he can assist in promoting our best players. We don't raise enough hell. We made progress by protesting and if you don't think we need to protest, you are living in a dream world.
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Social media is the solution.
 
I will have to check, but in 1975 Grambling had 12 players drafted. One of them was not Doug Williams. In 1985 I believe that HBCUs had 13 players drafted. Again I will have to check, but the problems we are seeing today did not start a few years ago. They started during the last century.

Understand that in 1975 and '85 the draft was 12 rounds. After free agency it went to eight. Now, it is seven.

Some of our schools may have as many or more NFL ready players than NDSU-MAYBE. Yet, they have a better team, better program and probably more very good players who can win a national title.

As for promotions and public relations, other schools should probably read on how Robinson, Nicholson and Jones did it at Grambling. A few lessons could be learned from the Tigers in North Louisiana. We can apply those lessons in the 21st century.
 
BAMASTATESPIRIT said:
MightyDog said:
We don't have folks who are willing to promote our cause. Our schools have excellent athletes, but individual schools must establish a publicity vehicle to promote our players. It is not enough to select the player of the week and etc. The conference need to become more active in raising the non selection of our athletics. Nobody is going to do anything unless we question the selection process. There is nothing wrong with talking with coaches and owners in the league to find out whey our players are not getting drafted. We cannot leave it up to the NFL to promote our players, but we can publicize our players. All conferences have great players, but we need to promote our players no matter which SWAC or MEAC University they attend. If the writer can identify the problem, he can assist in promoting our best players. We don't raise enough hell. We made progress by protesting and if you don't think we need to protest, you are living in a dream world.
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Social media is the solution.
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It would not hurt.
 



EB said:
I will have to check, but in 1975 Grambling had 12 players drafted. One of them was not Doug Williams. In 1985 I believe that HBCUs had 13 players drafted. Again I will have to check, but the problems we are seeing today did not start a few years ago. They started during the last century.

Understand that in 1975 and '85 the draft was 12 rounds. After free agency it went to eight. Now, it is seven.

Some of our schools may have as many or more NFL ready players than NDSU-MAYBE. Yet, they have a better team, better program and probably more very good players who can win a national title.

As for promotions and public relations, other schools should probably read on how Robinson, Nicholson and Jones did it at Grambling. A few lessons could be learned from the Tigers in North Louisiana. We can apply those lessons in the 21st century.
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In 1973 I think Gram had 20 something players drafted.
 
Grambling did not do anything different then. They had legitmmate talented players who came first and showcased them second.

Now, we showcase first because the talent is not as good anymore. The regional teams who went fbs such as ulm, New Mexico State, etc has killed the SWAC more than anything be they are attracting the kids who used to shine in the SWAC.

Those schools are the lone fbs offer for alot of kids. In the 90s, those schools were 1aa and admission standards were way looser so you could attract a better kid.
 
Several have made the point about how many rounds were in the draft way back when. Approximately the same number of players were drafted then as are being drafted today. In the late 50's and early 60's there were 10 teams in the NFL so 20 rounds then and 7 rounds today with 32 team equates to about the same number of opportunities.
 
SoloMan said:
Several have made the point about how many rounds were in the draft way back when. Approximately the same number of players were drafted then as are being drafted today. In the late 50's and early 60's there were 10 teams in the NFL so 20 rounds then and 7 rounds today with 32 team equates to about the same number of opportunities.
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The late 1950s and early '60s was a very different era. The leagues were not taking Black players in large numbers back then. Read Michael Hurd's book Black College Football. Willie Brown started out in Houston before going to Denver. Most remember him as an Oakland Raider and a member of the hall of fame. In 1969 Kansas City was the first team to be majority Black.
 
EB said:
The late 1950s and early '60s was a very different era. The leagues were not taking Black players in large numbers back then. Read Michael Hurd's book Black College Football. Willie Brown started out in Houston before going to Denver. Most remember him as an Oakland Raider and a member of the hall of fame. In 1969 Kansas City was the first team to be majority Black.
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I don't know the significant of your post. My point is the NFL has consistently drafted around 200 players per year since the late 50s.
 
What he's saying is integration hurt HBCU's more than anything else. Money of course was a factor and still is, but nothing has hurt HBCU's getting quality athletes than integration and the fact that White schools began a campaign of heavily recruiting Black players.
 
SoloMan said:
Several have made the point about how many rounds were in the draft way back when. Approximately the same number of players were drafted then as are being drafted today. In the late 50's and early 60's there were 10 teams in the NFL so 20 rounds then and 7 rounds today with 32 team equates to about the same number of opportunities.
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The AFL existed throughout most of the 60s... so the total number of player drafted back then was much higher.

In 1967, the first year of the merger, there were 445 players drafted in the NFL draft.
 
jag4life said:
The AFL existed throughout most of the 60s... so the total number of player drafted back then was much higher.

In 1967, the first year of the merger, there were 445 players drafted in the NFL draft.
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Did Jackson State lead in the number of draft picks in 1968?
 
jag4life said:
The AFL existed throughout most of the 60s... so the total number of player drafted back then was much higher.

In 1967, the first year of the merger, there were 445 players drafted in the NFL draft.
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Many players were drafted by both leagues, so that 445 is probably 245.
 
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