Let's not forget that a certain SU grad made the winning shot of the '99 NBA championship and later was a head coach in the 2006 championship.
Michael Jordan applauds son's decision to play basketball as walk-on at Illinois
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Let's not forget that a certain SU grad made the winning shot of the '99 NBA championship and later was a head coach in the 2006 championship.
I'm just glad black teens, especially males are going to college period. I could careless if they when to JSU or USC. As long as they are doing something positive with their lives it's all good.
What do you mean leave the rest for HBCUs? Are you saying that black students that go to HBCUs are not as good as the ones who choose PWCU?
If so, that sounds like a big slight to me.
FAMU CLIFF
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You know EXACTLY what I am saying. We send the top academians (as measured by National Merit and National Achievement Scholar status) and athletes (as measured by Rivals.com, Parade All American, Army All Prep and a host of other lists) OVERWELMINGLY to PWC's. If you feel slighted by that fact, you should.
I don't feel slighted by gifted black teens choosing PWCUs over HBCUs like you are.
I feel slighted that you seemed to imply that only all the gifted black scholars and athletes are at PWCU and and not HBCUs.
Just because there might seem to be an "OVERWELMINGLY" number of black students at non-HBCUs does not mean those that have graduated from HBCUs are underachievers or not as good as students who chose a different path.
FAMU CLIFF
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He knows what I mean. He just refuses to read it.
the band fan
Baseball Fan
Cliff is true...the white kids from birth commit to UT and will damn near die if they can't get in....they remain committed to them even if they attend another school...why can't we do the same?
we drive the economic machine known as college athletics...if the top blacks said lets go back to the HBCUs....the networks would be sent scrambling into a frenzy..unfortunately, alot of us have been bought and sold and brainwashed from knowing that
we drive the economic machine known as college athletics...if the top blacks said lets go back to the HBCUs....the networks would be sent scrambling into a frenzy..unfortunately, alot of us have been bought and sold and brainwashed from knowing that
Man, I believe it is based on where you grow up for the most part.
There are only two HBCUs in the Midwest, two in Florida, none in the Pacific Northwest and none on the West Coast. You have some on the East Coast and a bunch in the South.
Now, it's going to be hard to draw a consistent pipline of kids from areas where there are no HBCUs in the area, or few HBCUs. I don't know a lot of the best scholars in Seattle are going to JSU or SU. It's just reality. And I don't think a bunch of kids who grew up in N.Y., Wisconsin, Indiana or Michigan are going to make an HBCU their first choice unless they had relatives go there.
The only reason why I knew about HBCUs is because some of relatives went there. When college recruiters would visit our school there would be no one from an HBCU. They would all be from Illinois, NIU, City Colleges of Chicago and so forth. I know it's different in the South because there are more HBCUs in that region of the country.
As for athletics, it is a different ball game. It's hard to recruit the best high school athlete to a small school period--let alone an HBCU. I
t's hard for a HBCU coach to convice a kid to come to his school after the seeing the bling Charile Weis has on his fingers, the national title rings Pete Carroll and Coach K have. And the guaranteed exposure that kid will get from going to that school.
And a chance to win the national title every year. That's something that HBCUs can't promise.
I pretty sure the adminstration at Wofford, App. State and others would love to have the best white students and athletes in the country go to their school as well. But reality is it won't happen.
Bottom line I view colleges these days as a melting pot. You have a bunch of white kids and international students at HBCUs now. Just like you have a bunch of black kids and international students at PWCUs. Like I said before, I have no problem if a kid chooses not to go to an HBCU.
I don't think there should be "why don't some the best black students and ballers go to the black school." To me it sounds like a slight to the ones who don't have the 25-26 ACT or the 1300-1400 on the SAT or the athletes who were not the McDonalds All-Americans.
I just happy black kids are in the position to choose where they want to go to school.
the band fan
Baseball Fan
He's on ESPN2 right now playing against Arizona State.....he's on that team strictly because of his dad as his dad is getting the photo ops now next to some woman with a weave...
they announcers try to find the good in him but he's an average player at best...may be decent in the SWAC surrounded by a team full of athletes but I just don't see it....
use the name to the fullest
they announcers try to find the good in him but he's an average player at best...may be decent in the SWAC surrounded by a team full of athletes but I just don't see it....
use the name to the fullest
Jafus (Thinker)
Well-Known Member
Invest in Self!!! Invest in Community!!!
William Rhoden wrote about the Fab Five in his book Forty Million Dollar Slaves: The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Black Athlete (Paperback). Rhoden, a New York Times columnist who sometimes appears on ESPN, played college football at Morgan State.
http://www.amazon.com/Forty-Million...8011151?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193189794&sr=1-1
I highly recommend this book.
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William C. Rhoden writes about the negative aspects that African American athletes face with emphasis for them to remove themself from their family, friends and community. He creates a intriguing dynamic that actually reviews it from a historical respective and furthermore the fact that it has directly impacted the economic and socio-economic resources of the African American community in general and specifically HBCU. Mr. Rhoden refers to it as the 'The Conveyor Belt: The Dilemma of Alienation' in Chapter 7 of Forty Million Dollar Slaves.
Consider reading it for a different perspective on 'The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Black Athlete'.
Many of us have never had a chance to study philosophy, physcology, or sociology, especially from a African American perspective with some of the most noted and intellectual scholars. Once you have, it truly brings a different perspective of the bigger picture in terms of self-empowerment in this global economy.
Think About It!!
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He actually writes about his conversation with Chris Webber, why did he and the from the text ... the Fab Five could've gone beyond the usual suspects and made an even more explosive statement -- that all five high school seniors deciding to control their own path by chosing one school as a package i.e. Michigan. From the text ... For instance, they could have chosen a Historically Black College and then taken it to the NCAA Final Four as surely as they did Michigan, which would have shone a national spotlight on those schools, driven money and new blood into them, and provided an impressive model of black self-help. That would have been revolutionary. ...
Chapter 7: The Conveyor Belt
The Dilemma of Alienation
...The challenge for the black community over the past decades has been to figure out how to control this mad scramble for black athletic resources and harness its potential to achieve the community's social, economic, and political goals. But to do so would entail combating the delivery system I first witness at the All-America game in 1983 and would see in repeated variations during the next twenty years. It would require understanding and redirecting the Conveyor Belt. ...
...Webber criticized black colleges for not having built a better infrastructure, not having put themselves in a position of leverage during the time when they had a monopoly on black athletes, to acquire the things that would make them more attractive to blue-chip black athletes: better facilities, larger arenas, more up-to-date training facilities--and, yes television contracts.
"A lot of people put that pressure [on me to go to an HBCU], like, 'Come on, Chris, you can change it around, you can change it around.' But I think that process has to start within the black college association. "Playing on BET is not good enough for me," he said. "Just like me playing on MTV is not good enough. I want the world to see. In a way I feel guilty because we could have changed the rhyme. But in a way we had to do what was best for us at that time. But we talked a lot about going to black colleges." ...
...And the Belt breeds complacency, not militancy. ...
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In all of professional sports, at least the games that African Americans play, there are approximately 1400 professional athletes. Of all the jobs available to anyone and in this example African American males with sports aspirations, professional sport represents the smallest fraction of the available positions. Harvard Professor Henry L. Gates makes the following observation as it pertains to this issue:
?Too many of our children have come to believe that it?s easier to become a black professional athlete than doctor or lawyer. Reality check: according to the 2000 census, there were more than 31,000 black physicians and surgeons, 33,000 black lawyers and 5,000 black dentists. Guess how many black athletes are playing professional basketball, football, and baseball combined. About 1,400. In fact, there are more board-certified black cardiologists than there are black professional basketball players.?
Earl Smith, from the book titled, ?Race, Sport and the American Dream?
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William Rhoden wrote about the Fab Five in his book Forty Million Dollar Slaves: The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Black Athlete (Paperback). Rhoden, a New York Times columnist who sometimes appears on ESPN, played college football at Morgan State.
http://www.amazon.com/Forty-Million...8011151?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193189794&sr=1-1
I highly recommend this book.
---
William C. Rhoden writes about the negative aspects that African American athletes face with emphasis for them to remove themself from their family, friends and community. He creates a intriguing dynamic that actually reviews it from a historical respective and furthermore the fact that it has directly impacted the economic and socio-economic resources of the African American community in general and specifically HBCU. Mr. Rhoden refers to it as the 'The Conveyor Belt: The Dilemma of Alienation' in Chapter 7 of Forty Million Dollar Slaves.
Consider reading it for a different perspective on 'The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Black Athlete'.
Many of us have never had a chance to study philosophy, physcology, or sociology, especially from a African American perspective with some of the most noted and intellectual scholars. Once you have, it truly brings a different perspective of the bigger picture in terms of self-empowerment in this global economy.
Think About It!!
---
He actually writes about his conversation with Chris Webber, why did he and the from the text ... the Fab Five could've gone beyond the usual suspects and made an even more explosive statement -- that all five high school seniors deciding to control their own path by chosing one school as a package i.e. Michigan. From the text ... For instance, they could have chosen a Historically Black College and then taken it to the NCAA Final Four as surely as they did Michigan, which would have shone a national spotlight on those schools, driven money and new blood into them, and provided an impressive model of black self-help. That would have been revolutionary. ...
Chapter 7: The Conveyor Belt
The Dilemma of Alienation
...The challenge for the black community over the past decades has been to figure out how to control this mad scramble for black athletic resources and harness its potential to achieve the community's social, economic, and political goals. But to do so would entail combating the delivery system I first witness at the All-America game in 1983 and would see in repeated variations during the next twenty years. It would require understanding and redirecting the Conveyor Belt. ...
...Webber criticized black colleges for not having built a better infrastructure, not having put themselves in a position of leverage during the time when they had a monopoly on black athletes, to acquire the things that would make them more attractive to blue-chip black athletes: better facilities, larger arenas, more up-to-date training facilities--and, yes television contracts.
"A lot of people put that pressure [on me to go to an HBCU], like, 'Come on, Chris, you can change it around, you can change it around.' But I think that process has to start within the black college association. "Playing on BET is not good enough for me," he said. "Just like me playing on MTV is not good enough. I want the world to see. In a way I feel guilty because we could have changed the rhyme. But in a way we had to do what was best for us at that time. But we talked a lot about going to black colleges." ...
...And the Belt breeds complacency, not militancy. ...
---
In all of professional sports, at least the games that African Americans play, there are approximately 1400 professional athletes. Of all the jobs available to anyone and in this example African American males with sports aspirations, professional sport represents the smallest fraction of the available positions. Harvard Professor Henry L. Gates makes the following observation as it pertains to this issue:
?Too many of our children have come to believe that it?s easier to become a black professional athlete than doctor or lawyer. Reality check: according to the 2000 census, there were more than 31,000 black physicians and surgeons, 33,000 black lawyers and 5,000 black dentists. Guess how many black athletes are playing professional basketball, football, and baseball combined. About 1,400. In fact, there are more board-certified black cardiologists than there are black professional basketball players.?
Earl Smith, from the book titled, ?Race, Sport and the American Dream?
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the band fan
Baseball Fan
I bought it...
JR
Well-Known Member
TBF, I thought that was his daughter next to him. It went by so fast. She looked young.