Man you gotta say one thing about the republiklan party...


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I saw the interview and don't believe Stephanopoulos was confused.

I believe he was more dumbfounded by the play on words more than anything.... :lol: :emlaugh:
 



JAG89 said:
The problem with the Republicans plan, they want to give all the money and control to the private sector and let things fix itself, which is how this mess was created in the first place. The Republicans attack any funds that go to the public sector and consider it welfare for those trying to get a little bling bling. What the Republicans fail to realize is that the government is needed to maintain the checks and balances within our free enterprise system. Therefore their opinion is totally wrong since it didn’t work in the first place, which is why Steele is left to explain a failed system.
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Honestly throwing more money at Government and giving it more control in affairs of the market will cause more problems. All throughout history Government control/assistance comes attached with a price that's usually not worth what you are asking for.
You really trust the Govt. to do that correctly? Most importanly how could you do that fairly?
 
98LastRip said:
Honestly throwing more money at Government and giving it more control in affairs of the market will cause more problems. All throughout history Government control/assistance comes attached with a price that's usually not worth what you are asking for.
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I believe I read somewhere, "We the people", which means we are the Government.

Preamble to the Constitution:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Also, nowhere in my comment did I say that the Government would be handling a great deal of money. What I mean by checks and balances is that the Government would be acting as the independent Auditor for individuals doing business in this country, basically which is what our tax system was setup to do. Taxes suppose to maintain the cash flow in the economy.

98LastRip said:
You really trust the Govt. to do that correctly? Most importanly how could you do that fairly?
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So I guess we should give total control to private companies that have top level CEO's in-charge of their day to day business and the people have no way to vote them out even if they are some of the biggest screw-ups. Right now our democracy is the fairest way to take care of business. At least the citizens have the opportunity to change things when someone is screwing up. I still believe in the majority rule, which is democracy. Democracy is definitely not giving power to top level CEO's.

Do you really trust CEO's to run the country correctly? Most importantly how could they do that fairly, since they have never done it before?
 
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JAG89 said:
I believe I read somewhere, "We the people", which means we are the Government.

Preamble to the Constitution:
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:lol:

I remember when I used to believe "We the People" now it's more like..
"We the Government"...lol meaning the Government is telling us that they have the control...
 
SUtrp96 said:
The bigger question is why do most of us even put a lot of trust in the government?
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Why do most of us even put a lot trust in anyone, which includes top level CEO's?

If you're that paranoid, trust yourself only.
 
SUtrp96 said:
:lol:

I remember when I used to believe "We the People" now it's more like..
"We the Government"...lol meaning the Government is telling us that they have the control...
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My vote counted this time.
 
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JAG89 said:
Why do most of us even put a lot trust in anyone, which includes top level CEO's?

If you're that paranoid, trust yourself only.
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You don't inspire to be your own boss(CEO) one day? I know one part of the government that don't want us to inspire that way...
 
SUtrp96 said:
You don't inspire to be your own boss(CEO) one day? I know one part of the government that don't want us to inspire that way...
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Dude, you are not speaking to some 2 year old, so you don't have to ask me those kind of dumb questions. Even CEO's have the rights to vote. So when their business goes under due to bad decisions made by dumb politicians, they need to vote or run for office.
 
JAG89 said:
Dude, you are not speaking to some 2 year old, so you don't have to ask me those kind of dumb questions. Even CEO's have the rights to vote. So when their business goes under due to bad decisions made by dumb politicians, they need to vote or run for office.
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True dat 89 but in this case businesses didn't go under because of bad decisions made by politicians, but because of their own greed and their bad decisions.
 
bluedog said:
True dat 89 but in this case businesses didn't go under because of bad decisions made by politicians, but because of their own greed and their bad decisions.
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They also had help from dumb politicians. Basically, this country was in the hands of dummies and greedy CEO's for the past 8 years, which is definitely a no win situation.
 
JAG89 said:
I believe I read somewhere, "We the people", which means we are the Government.

Preamble to the Constitution:


Also, nowhere in my comment did I say that the Government would be handling a great deal of money. What I mean by checks and balances is that the Government would be acting as the independent Auditor for individuals doing business in this country, basically which is what our tax system was setup to do. Taxes suppose to maintain the cash flow in the economy.



So I guess we should give total control to private companies that have top level CEO's in-charge of their day to day business and the people have no way to vote them out even if they are some of the biggest screw-ups. Right now our democracy is the fairest way to take care of business. At least the citizens have the opportunity to change things when someone is screwing up. I still believe in the majority rule, which is democracy. Democracy is definitely not giving power to top level CEO's.

Do you really trust CEO's to run the country correctly? Most importantly how could they do that fairly, since they have never done it before?
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Yes you are correct the preamble does state that.... Let us not forget that the preamble and the constitution were around during the time of slavery.. It wasnt until Frederick Douglas and others (who later formed the Republican party) stood up and faught to end it. Also during the seperate but equal times. It wasnt until MLK and others lead the civil rights movement to obtain such rights.. So in essence in both situations people stood up against the issues and the laws changed..


So with that said.. The laws governing these companies need to change
The SEC should be revampted.. The NAFTA agreement has been sending American jobs overseas (Thanks Bill Clinton) for years.. This just didnt happen overnight..

All i'm saying that Japan had the same problems in the 90s' they tried to throw money at the problem 8 times.. You know what worked and how they got out of their issues.. Free market solutions

President Obama made a statement about how these companies recieving govt money shouldnt be spending money here or there.. That's control and unfair in a free market system to tell a company how they should spend their money.

CEOs should be allowed to run their companies.. not this country.. All CEOs arent running their companies in the ground..
CEOs screw up..put them in jail, dont bail em out, I'll bet youll se a change in how companies are run...
 
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Secondly..

I just feel like this problem will only be fixed in a bi-partison matter.. So far it hasnt.. Congress (both sides) is spending to much time saying whats wrong but not fixing it!

Sure, there are going to be different views.. but who always agrees on everything right..
 
98LastRip said:
Yes you are correct the preamble does state that.... Let us not forget that the preamble and the constitution were around during the time of slavery.. It wasnt until Frederick Douglas and others (who later formed the Republican party) stood up and faught to end it. Also during the seperate but equal times. It wasnt until MLK and others lead the civil rights movement to obtain such rights.. So in essence in both situations people stood up against the issues and the laws changed..


So with that said.. The laws governing these companies need to change
The SEC should be revampted.. The NAFTA agreement has been sending American jobs overseas (Thanks Bill Clinton) for years.. This just didnt happen overnight..

All i'm saying that Japan had the same problems in the 90s' they tried to throw money at the problem 8 times.. You know what worked and how they got out of their issues.. Free market solutions

President Obama made a statement about how these companies recieving govt money shouldnt be spending money here or there.. That's control and unfair in a free market system to tell a company how they should spend their money.

CEOs should be allowed to run their companies.. not this country.. All CEOs arent running their companies in the ground..
CEOs screw up..put them in jail, dont bail em out, I'll bet youll se a change in how companies are run...
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Then those companies should not be asking for and receiving Government money. This is the same dumb crap that got this country in the mess it is in now, which allowed dumb politicians to give huge tax breaks to large companies and their CEOs without any accountability, while the victims of Hurricane Katrina did without.
 



JAG89 said:
Then those companies should not be asking for and receiving Government money. This is the same dumb crap that got this country in the mess it is in now, which allowed dumb politicians to give huge tax breaks to large companies and their CEOs without any accountability, while the victims of Hurricane Katrina did without.
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Exactly.

Regards.
 
JAG89 said:
Then those companies should not be asking for and receiving Government money. This is the same dumb crap that got this country in the mess it is in now, which allowed dumb politicians to give huge tax breaks to large companies and their CEOs without any accountability, while the victims of Hurricane Katrina did without.
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I agree with you there.. I kind of blame Louisiana 16 Billion was given to the state for aid.. Most of it got hung in Louisiana politics some way..

Well at the least i'm glad to see people getting aware and up to date on the issues..
 
98LastRip said:
Secondly..

I just feel like this problem will only be fixed in a bipartisan matter.. So far it hasn't.. Congress (both sides) is spending to much time saying whats wrong but not fixing it!

Sure, there are going to be different views.. but who always agrees on everything right..
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Man get a reality check, the republicans as they are today will never allow that to happen. Their whole main objective is to under-mind whatever the President does.

They have always been a party of power and greed add that with a bunch of old azz white men who've act like a bunch of spoil brats all their lives, it's just not going to happen.

Now there will be a few who will descend, but bipartism in the manner you're talking about just ain't gonna happen, their idea of bipartisanship is doing what they want and nothing less.

I suggest that you don't allow them to redefine what bipartism is, because again they're idea of bi-partisan means letting them run things further into the ground.

Remember this is the same party that after having hours of meetings with the President comes out and tell a bold face lie that he never consulted with them for all of America to see.
 
bluedog said:
Man get a reality check, the republicans as they are today will never allow that to happen. Their whole main objective is to under-mind whatever the President does.


They have always been a party of power and greed add that with a bunch of old azz white men who've act like a bunch of spoil brats all their lives, it's just not going to happen.

Now there will be a few who will descend, but bipartism in the manner you're talking about just ain't gonna happen, their idea of bipartisanship is doing what they want and nothing less.

I suggest that you don't allow them to redefine what bipartism is, because again they're idea of bi-partisan means letting them run things further into the ground.

Remember this is the same party that after having hours of meetings with the President comes out and tell a bold face lie that he never consulted with them for all of America to see.
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Here's an article from Time Magazine. The people responsible were mostly old dumb white men.

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The sad part about it is, the repubs jsut shot their foots off. If the economy does pick back up in full swing, the Dems will be seen as bringing it back and folks will ride it out with the Dems for four more years. They are to selfish to see this. :shame:
 
CEE DOG said:
The sad part about it is, the repubs jsut shot their foots off. If the economy does pick back up in full swing, the Dems will be seen as bringing it back and folks will ride it out with the Dems for four more years. They are to selfish to see this. :shame:
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The Republicans think now is the time to debate. They debate about the wrong things at the wrong time. They should have debated Bush before they gave him a blank check to start a war in Iraq.
 
bluedog said:
Man get a reality check, the republicans as they are today will never allow that to happen. Their whole main objective is to under-mind whatever the President does.
They have always been a party of power and greed add that with a bunch of old azz white men who've act like a bunch of spoil brats all their lives, it's just not going to happen.

Now there will be a few who will descend, but bipartism in the manner you're talking about just ain't gonna happen, their idea of bipartisanship is doing what they want and nothing less.

I suggest that you don't allow them to redefine what bipartism is, because again they're idea of bi-partisan means letting them run things further into the ground.



Remember this is the same party that after having hours of meetings with the President comes out and tell a bold face lie that he never consulted with them for all of America to see.
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Dont get too one sided my brother, The Dems prided themselves on how well they vote against the Republicans. Is that bipartison?

The Speaker of the House and The President stated "We won we are doing things our way" How is that bi partison in all fairness? Honestly is that Fair?

First off the when the stimulus bill was being written the Republicans were never invited or given access to help out on it. Is that bipartison? Would you vote for something you never had a chance to offer help.. Better yet had no chance to put input in? Secondly when the Bill reached the house the second time Democrates told Republicans "since none of you voted for it then you dont get any input this time" Well they werent offered any input from the begining..Thats old politics... This trash should stop!

Honestly the Dems are doing the same thing Rebublicans are doing now, just on different issues and different times..


So how are they any different? Both of these parties have failed the American people.. That's the truth.. With that said I still feel there is a chance for things to get better.. One party alone isnt going to do that .. It's time out for this "It's our way" thought.. With that attitude just throw out bipartisonship.

My only point is that Democrats and Republicans should be working together.. Can you agree with that? Or at least try..
 
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98lastrip said:
dont get too one sided my brother, the dems prided themselves on how well they vote against the republicans. Is that bipartison?

The speaker of the house and the president stated "we won we are doing things our way" how is that bi partison in all fairness? Honestly is that fair?

First off the when the stimulus bill was being written the republicans were never invited or given access to help out on it.

true but it still had to pass by the repub before it got approval


is that bipartison? Would you vote for something you never had a chance to offer help..

no
better yet had no chance to put input in?

not true, it was sent to them later. How else could they have known what was in the bill? Remember they got in front of a national audience and stated point by point why they wern't going to vote for this bill.


secondly when the bill reached the house the second time democrates told republicans "since none of you voted for it then you dont get any input this time"


i would have done the same thing in light of them getting in front of a national audience whining about how they didn't get their way when 42 % of the bill were tax cuts that they wanted.



well they werent offered any input from the begining..thats old politics... This trash should stop!

not true

honestly the dems are doing the same thing rebublicans are doing now, just on different issues and different times..

not true

so how are they any different? Both of these parties have failed the american people.. That's the truth.. With that said i still feel there is a chance for things to get better.. One party alone isnt going to do that .. It's time out for this "it's our way" thought.. With that attitude just throw out bipartisonship.

isn't that what your president told the repubs after he got tired of them lying and whining about what was really going on?
my only point is that democrats and republicans should be working together.. Can you agree with that? Or at least try..
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Yep
 
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