Man the Eagles will cut a player in a heart beat


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The Philadelphia Eagles will cut a player with the quickness. I can't believe they cut Trotter again. Outside of Dawkins, Trotter is their best defensive player. Then they had the nerve to ask him to retire. Isn't that a dam insult. McNabb, Dawkins, and Krease better watch their backs because their butts are on the clock.

Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

Four-time Pro Bowl middle linebacker Jeremiah Trotter will be job hunting in the coming days after being released by the Philadelphia Eagles on Tuesday.

A nine-year veteran, Trotter was informed of his status in a meeting with coach Andy Reid. The Eagles suggested that the now-unrestricted free agent consider retirement, but the 30-year-old's preference is to continue playing in the league.

"It's a tough pill to swallow, but everyone gets to this point in their career at some point or another, and now is my time," Trotter said at a news conference. "I'm just thankful that I spent this many years in Philadelphia. I truly believe that if you were to cut me, I'd bleed green."

"Jeremiah is one of my favorite guys," Reid said in a statement Tuesday. "There's no question that this is the toughest part of this job. He and I met about this [Monday] night and it was very emotional for the both of us. Jeremiah and I have been together for many years and he's played a vital role in helping this team win a lot of football games."

The departure of Trotter continues a shakeup to Philadelphia's linebacker corps. It is now likely that two-time Pro Bowl player Takeo Spikes, acquired from the Buffalo Bills in a March trade, will take over the middle linebacker spot. Spikes has primarily worked at the weakside position in training camp.

Eagles officials have worked hard to create depth and competition in the linebacker corps, and have a number of young players the coaches want to work into the lineup.

This marks the second time the Eagles have essentially released Trotter. In the spring of 2002, Philadelphia designated him as a franchise player and subsequently rescinded the tag, making him a free agent. Trotter then signed with Washington, where he played two seasons before being released after the 2003 campaign.

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The owner must have realized it's money time in his contract.:p

People.....................Tell me again how a player is greedy when he ask's for his market value before his contract is up. :lol:

Man made the Pro Bowl with over 100 tackles and Ownership using some bullshat line about him missing a step. :lmao:
 



staggalee83 said:
...Tell me again how a player is greedy when he ask's for his market value before his contract is up. :lol:...
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Simple. He comes into the league with a signing bonus and guaranteed money up front before he has proven that he can even read or understand a playbook.

It's kind of like building a house. You go to the builder and agree on a contract for a certain price. Three days later the assessed value of the real estate doubles, the cost of materials triples, and the labor goes up 50%. The guy who comes along today to buy the same house on an equivalent tract of land just down the street pays 60% more in his contract due to market value. The builder then comes to you and says that he's going to have to charge you 60% more because the market value has changed. What do you do? You file a suit against the builder to build the house to your satisfaction for the price you agreed upon. Does that now make you greedy?
 
staggalee83 said:
The owner must have realized it's money time in his contract.:p

People.....................Tell me again how a player is greedy when he ask's for his market value before his contract is up. :lol:

Man made the Pro Bowl with over 100 tackles and Ownership using some bullshat line about him missing a step. :lmao:
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That's why I'm not one to get mad at a player for trying to get his money (if they deserve it).

NICE
 
dacontinent said:
Simple. He comes into the league with a signing bonus and guaranteed money up front before he has proven that he can even read or understand a playbook.

It's kind of like building a house. You go to the builder and agree on a contract for a certain price. Three days later the assessed value of the real estate doubles, the cost of materials triples, and the labor goes up 50%. The guy who comes along today to buy the same house on an equivalent tract of land just down the street pays 60% more in his contract due to market value. The builder then comes to you and says that he's going to have to charge you 60% more because the market value has changed. What do you do? You file a suit against the builder to build the house to your satisfaction for the price you agreed upon. Does that now make you greedy?
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Every player doesn't get a huge signing bonus, just the very high picks....
 
Maybe they have a player they think will fit his spot at a cheaper price .... these guys know the "game" before they get into it.
 
dacontinent said:
Simple. He comes into the league with a signing bonus and guaranteed money up front before he has proven that he can even read or understand a playbook.

It's kind of like building a house. You go to the builder and agree on a contract for a certain price. Three days later the assessed value of the real estate doubles, the cost of materials triples, and the labor goes up 50%. The guy who comes along today to buy the same house on an equivalent tract of land just down the street pays 60% more in his contract due to market value. The builder then comes to you and says that he's going to have to charge you 60% more because the market value has changed. What do you do? You file a suit against the builder to build the house to your satisfaction for the price you agreed upon. Does that now make you greedy?
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You didn't get a word of what I was saying. :lmao:

BTW: The NFL don't give "graunteed contracts".
Why do you think they ask for money back if a player get's kicked off the team for trouble.
 
D-NICE said:
That's why I'm not one to get mad at a player for trying to get his money (if they deserve it).

NICE
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yep.
People alway's getting on these players for NOT LIVING UP TO THEIR CONTRACT'S when they ask for more but say nothing when these owners flat out cut a pro-bowler with 3 years remaining on his contract because he is now moving into the MONEY END of his contract.:no:

Where is the out-rage over the owner's non-loyalty.
Bring on the "it's a business" excuses....................That's not my point.
We all know it's business. :lol:
 
staggalee83 said:
You didn't get a word of what I was saying. :lmao:

BTW: The NFL don't give "graunteed contracts".
Why do you think they ask for money back if a player get's kicked off the team for trouble.
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Not guaranteed contracts; guaranteed money, like I said. That is what a signing bonus is. The money comes at the front of the contract. Even if the player is cut (like the Bucs did Simeon Rice), he gets that money and it counts against the team's salary cap. So, when the player negotiates his contract, part of that negotiation is up-front money. Players who are proven command more money up front.

When a player gets kicked off the team for trouble (like M. Vick likely will), he has to give back the portion of the front money for the years that have not yet been fulfilled by breaching his contract.

So, I say sign the biggest contract you can and get as much money upfront as you warrant. Fulfill that contract before you negotiate for more.
 
dacontinent said:
Not guaranteed contracts; guaranteed money, like I said. That is what a signing bonus is. The money comes at the front of the contract. Even if the player is cut (like the Bucs did Simeon Rice), he gets that money and it counts against the team's salary cap. So, when the player negotiates his contract, part of that negotiation is up-front money. Players who are proven command more money up front.

When a player gets kicked off the team for trouble (like M. Vick likely will), he has to give back the portion of the front money for the years that have not yet been fulfilled by breaching his contract.

So, I say sign the biggest contract you can and get as much money upfront as you warrant. Fulfill that contract before you negotiate for more.
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The reason why players don't fulfill their contracts before asking for more is that the owners can cut them before said contract ends (like Trotter).
 
UAPB '97 said:
Every player doesn't get a huge signing bonus, just the very high picks....
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If you are referring to draftees, you are correct. However, signing bonuses are negotiated with every contract signing. Veteran players who have proven themselves often rake in huge sums of money with these bonuses.

Back to Trotter ... according to my folks who live in Philly,Trotter was told at the end of last season that he no longer had the footspeed that the Eagles needed in the position and was given permission by the Eagles to shop his services to other teams during the off-season. There were no takers. Maybe there wer no takers because he had not yet been unconditionally released. However, it was apparently clear to Trotter at the end of the 2006 season that his services were no longer desired in Philly.
 
dacontinent said:
If you are referring to draftees, you are correct. However, signing bonuses are negotiated with every contract signing. Veteran players who have proven themselves often rake in huge sums of money with these bonuses.

Back to Trotter ... according to my folks who live in Philly,Trotter was told at the end of last season that he no longer had the footspeed that the Eagles needed in the position and was given permission by the Eagles to shop his services to other teams during the off-season. There were no takers. Maybe there wer no takers because he had not yet been unconditionally released. However, it was apparently clear to Trotter at the end of the 2006 season that his services were no longer desired in Philly.
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Okay.... BUT, why on one hand do you want the player to "fulfill his contract before asking for more money" but you are not also asking the owner to honor that same contract? The door needs to swing both ways....
 
staggalee83 said:
yep.
People alway's getting on these players for NOT LIVING UP TO THEIR CONTRACT'S when they ask for more but say nothing when these owners flat out cut a pro-bowler with 3 years remaining on his contract because he is now moving into the MONEY END of his contract.:no:

Where is the out-rage over the owner's non-loyalty.
Bring on the "it's a business" excuses....................That's not my point.
We all know it's business. :lol:
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Actually in this case, thats not true at all. His base salary was under 3 million for the next two seasons and the Eagles are well under the cap. Trotter is a one-dimesional LB on the way down.
 



Blame the NFLPA and their poor barganing on behalf of their representatives, not the owners who use the rules to their advantage. Every other North American league has to pay out the salaries if they decide to cut a guy, and the NFLPA lets the owners get away with this simply because their higher-paid members love getting themselves some huge signing bonuses.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
Actually in this case, thats not true at all. His base salary was under 3 million for the next two seasons and the Eagles are well under the cap. Trotter is a one-dimesional LB on the way down.
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So when people yell "A contract is a contract, what don't you understand", it only applies to players and not owners.

A player can get fined and sued if he held out on his contract but a owner can just cut a mofo that made the pro bowl and it's like the contract was never a signed legal document. :whatever:

OK. :shame:
 
staggalee83 said:
So when people yell "A contract is a contract, what don't you understand", it only applies to players and not owners.

A player can get fined and sued if he held out on his contract but a owner can just cut a mofo that made the pro bowl and it's like the contract was never a signed legal document. :whatever:

OK. :shame:
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I'm not saying it's right. In fact, I agree that a player should get all he can because it's not guaranteed. But at the same time, contracts are based on current performance, not past, and he is no where near a pro bowl player now.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
I'm not saying it's right. In fact, I agree that a player should get all he can because it's not guaranteed. But at the same time, contracts are based on current performance, not past, and he is no where near a pro bowl player now.
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He made the PRO Bowl again LAST YEAR, 2006, with over 100 tackles. :emlaugh:

They just played the game a few month's ago in Hawaii.:emlaugh:
 
JaguarNation99 said:
Actually in this case, thats not true at all. His base salary was under 3 million for the next two seasons and the Eagles are well under the cap. Trotter is a one-dimesional LB on the way down.
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$1.5M is not a small amount for an NFL base salary. A lot of cats are making well under $1M base...that's why they get high signing bonuses.
 
staggalee83 said:
He made the PRO Bowl again LAST YEAR, 2006, with over 100 tackles. :emlaugh:

They just played the game a few month's ago in Hawaii.:emlaugh:
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No, that was the pro bowl for the 2005 season he played in, and those are pretty much glorified popularity contests, he didn't make anybody's all pro team. I'll gladly point you to most recent pro bowl rosters. The Saints repeatedly abused him in the playoffs.
 
jag4life said:
$1.5M is not a small amount for an NFL base salary. A lot of cats are making well under $1M base...that's why they get high signing bonuses.
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Thats right around the league average, but in any case, his contract was only 15 million for 5 years, so his cap number couldn't have been that high.
 
dacontinent said:
Back to Trotter ... according to my folks who live in Philly,Trotter was told at the end of last season that he no longer had the footspeed that the Eagles needed in the position and was given permission by the Eagles to shop his services to other teams during the off-season. There were no takers. Maybe there wer no takers because he had not yet been unconditionally released. However, it was apparently clear to Trotter at the end of the 2006 season that his services were no longer desired in Philly.
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Man that is total BS. Why would they bring him back? Why would he come back? If a team says some BS like that to a player they will ask to be release ASAP. Why come back to a place where you have no chance to make the roster. The Eagles always do crap like this. They wait until the worst possible time for a player. Why wait two weeks before the season starts. Trotter was totally shocked he got released. You try to make it seem like it was expected.
 
Wanna take a look at your statement again.
And I ask again....................How you say a current pro-bowler with over 100 tackles and 3 YEAR's left on his contract need to be outright CUT. :what:

JaguarNation99 said:
No, that was the pro bowl for the 2005 season he played in, and those are pretty much glorified popularity contests, he didn't make anybody's all pro team. I'll gladly point you to most recent pro bowl rosters. The Saints repeatedly abused him in the playoffs.
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2006 NFL Pro Bowl Rosters

The Indianapolis Colts led the way with seven roster spots on the AFC team for the 2006 Pro Bowl, with the Chicago Bears and Atlanta Falcons following with six players each on the NFC team.

Here are the 2006 Pro Bowl rosters:

AFC | NFC

WR - Larry Fitzgerald, Cardinals
WR - Torry Holt, Rams
WR - Santana Moss, Redskins
WR - Steve Smith, Panthers
OT - Walter Jones, Seahawks
OT - Chris Samuels, Redskins
OT - Orlando Pace, Rams
OG - Larry Allen, Cowboys
OG - Steve Hutchinson, Seahawks
OG - Mike Wahle, Panthers
C - LeCharles Bentley, Saints
C - Olin Kreutz, Bears
TE - Alge Crumpler, Falcons
TE - Jeremy Shockey, Giants
QB - Jake Delhomme, Panthers
QB - Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks
QB - Michael Vick, Falcons
RB - Shaun Alexander, Seahawks
RB - Tiki Barber, Giants
RB - Warrick Dunn, Falcons
FB - Mack Strong, Seahawks

Defense
DE - Julius Peppers, Panthers
DE - Michael Strahan, Giants
DE - Osi Umenyiora, Giants
DT - Rod Coleman, Falcons
DT - Tommie Harris, Bears
DT - Shaun Rogers, Lions
OLB - Lance Briggs, Bears
OLB - Keith Brooking, Falcons
OLB - Derrick Brooks, Bucs
ILB - Jeremiah Trotter, Eagles
ILB - Brian Urlacher, Bears
CB - Ronde Barber, Bucs
CB - DeAngelo Hall, Falcons
CB - Nathan Vasher, Bears
FS - Darren Sharper, Vikings
SS - Mike Brown, Bears
SS - Roy Williams, Cowboys

Specialists
Punter - Josh Bidwell, Bucs
Kicker - Neil Rackers, Cardinals
Returner - Koren Robinson, Vikings
Special Teamer - David Tyree, Giants
 
staggalee83 said:
Wanna take a look at your statement again.
And I ask again....................How you say a current pro-bowler with over 100 tackles and 3 YEAR's left on his contract need to be outright CUT. :what:



2006 NFL Pro Bowl Rosters

The Indianapolis Colts led the way with seven roster spots on the AFC team for the 2006 Pro Bowl, with the Chicago Bears and Atlanta Falcons following with six players each on the NFC team.

Here are the 2006 Pro Bowl rosters:

AFC | NFC

WR - Larry Fitzgerald, Cardinals
WR - Torry Holt, Rams
WR - Santana Moss, Redskins
WR - Steve Smith, Panthers
OT - Walter Jones, Seahawks
OT - Chris Samuels, Redskins
OT - Orlando Pace, Rams
OG - Larry Allen, Cowboys
OG - Steve Hutchinson, Seahawks
OG - Mike Wahle, Panthers
C - LeCharles Bentley, Saints
C - Olin Kreutz, Bears
TE - Alge Crumpler, Falcons
TE - Jeremy Shockey, Giants
QB - Jake Delhomme, Panthers
QB - Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks
QB - Michael Vick, Falcons
RB - Shaun Alexander, Seahawks
RB - Tiki Barber, Giants
RB - Warrick Dunn, Falcons
FB - Mack Strong, Seahawks

Defense
DE - Julius Peppers, Panthers
DE - Michael Strahan, Giants
DE - Osi Umenyiora, Giants
DT - Rod Coleman, Falcons
DT - Tommie Harris, Bears
DT - Shaun Rogers, Lions
OLB - Lance Briggs, Bears
OLB - Keith Brooking, Falcons
OLB - Derrick Brooks, Bucs
ILB - Jeremiah Trotter, Eagles
ILB - Brian Urlacher, Bears
CB - Ronde Barber, Bucs
CB - DeAngelo Hall, Falcons
CB - Nathan Vasher, Bears
FS - Darren Sharper, Vikings
SS - Mike Brown, Bears
SS - Roy Williams, Cowboys

Specialists
Punter - Josh Bidwell, Bucs
Kicker - Neil Rackers, Cardinals
Returner - Koren Robinson, Vikings
Special Teamer - David Tyree, Giants
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*Better players indicated in bold.
 
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