Lupe Fiasco calls President Obama a baby killer

[The Founder]

But what are we protecting? Poppy Fields and prospective oil pipelines. And folks wonder why heroin is being sold in record amounts, at levels of unseen purity for cheap cost. Pat Tillman saw the this (under Bush) and was assassinated for it. If Obama was doing the right thing, we would have pulled right out. How do you blow people back to the stone age who are living in the stone age. Those people have fought half of the empires of the world in the last 2,500 years and are still getting down how they live.

Wrong word...he was killed by friendly fire. When people use the stone age analogy I laugh because if these people were in the stone age then why does their countryman have the technical aspects to kill on such a massive area. Furthermore, why do these same people protect these killers.

Thirdly, where was this during September 11, 2001?

I strongly believe if the U.S. pulled out of all conflicts today, we would be invaded in 6 months, every teacher, politician, doctor, nurse, government employee, killed.

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

You do realize that the comparisons you are making are not factual. Due to the fact of the following:

Germany and their allies targeted civilians locations to decrease the morale of the allied forces
The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong followed the thought process of the Germans in WWII
The Taliban and insurgence used locations that were surrounded by civilians who supported their beliefs

When people began to criticize the U.S. on how many civilians were killed....I ask these same people to visit any given grave site and take a look at the U.S. Veterans out there.

Have you ever heard of Smedley Butler? The Marines say he is the greatest Marine to ever serve. Check out his book, War is a Racket. It is less than 100 pages and you can find it for free on the net. He explains how EVERY war he fought in was not for the greater good, but particular corporate interests. That does not make the sacrifices of those men and women any less valiant, but it calls on us as citizens to ensure we are sending our young people to war for a just cause, not just because.

 

[Kendrick]

I strongly believe if the U.S. pulled out of all conflicts today, we would be invaded in 6 months, every teacher, politician, doctor, nurse, government employee, killed.

Fear tactics to keep the military involvement going.

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

Wrong word...he was killed by friendly fire. When people use the stone age analogy I laugh because if these people were in the stone age then why does their countryman have the technical aspects to kill on such a massive area. Furthermore, why do these same people protect these killers.

Thirdly, where was this during September 11, 2001?

I strongly believe if the U.S. pulled out of all conflicts today, we would be invaded in 6 months, every teacher, politician, doctor, nurse, government employee, killed.

Open your eyes brother. They knocked him. And the Army pathologist agreed he refused to lie. Killed at point blank range. He wrote home how the whole war was a lie and he was going to come home and tell the truth.

“Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime,” reported the Associated Press.

“The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators. “The doctors – whose names were blacked out – said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-big-screen-documentary-exposes-pat-tillman-cover-up.html


http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/revisiting-the-pat-tillman-story-and-mcchrystals-role/

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

Wrong word...he was killed by friendly fire. When people use the stone age analogy I laugh because if these people were in the stone age then why does their countryman have the technical aspects to kill on such a massive area. Furthermore, why do these same people protect these killers.

Thirdly, where was this during September 11, 2001?

I strongly believe if the U.S. pulled out of all conflicts today, we would be invaded in 6 months, every teacher, politician, doctor, nurse, government employee, killed.

By the way, you do know Zinegbew Brizakie admits to starting Al Queda and we trained them and they were the aggressors who started the war between the Soviets and Afghanistan. His daughter is the co host of Morning Joe and he is on there quite a but. He wrote it in his own books. But you know what they say about hiding stuff from Black folks.

Al Qaeda and the "War on Terrorism"
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7718
Jan 20, 2008 – The CIA's role in laying the foundations of Al Qaeda is confirmed in an 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at the time was National ...

How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen » Counterpunch ...
www.counterpunch.org/.../how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujah...
Jan 15, 1998 – Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army ...

 

[The Founder]

I'll just say ok and leave it at that. But please understand that information is redacted prior to release to the general public. Some is even done to "please" the general public.

 

[Kendrick]

Open your eyes brother. They knocked him. And the Army pathologist agreed he refused to lie. Killed at point blank range. He wrote home how the whole war was a lie and he was going to come home and tell the truth.

“Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime,†reported the Associated Press.

“The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,†a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators. “The doctors – whose names were blacked out – said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.â€

http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-big-screen-documentary-exposes-pat-tillman-cover-up.html


http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/revisiting-the-pat-tillman-story-and-mcchrystals-role/

I watched a documentary about his death, and how Tillman's family members to this day haven't received a sufficient explanation about how and why he died. One part of the documentary that was interesting was how Tillman described troops engaging in rescuing Jessica Lynch was frustrating to him because it was setup as a made for TV event to make it appeal to the American people.

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

I watched a documentary about his death, and how Tillman's family members to this day haven't received a sufficient explanation about how and why he died. One part of the documentary that was interesting was how Tillman described troops engaging in rescuing Jessica Lynch was frustrating to him because it was setup as a made for TV event to make it appeal to the American people.

It is a reported fact the DoD called Jerry Bruckhiemer to help them script it. This aint rumor. It has been reported in mainstream press.

Back in 2001, the man behind Black Hawk Down, Jerry Bruckheimer, had visited the Pentagon to pitch an idea. Bruckheimer and fellow producer Bertram van Munster, who masterminded the reality show Cops, suggested Profiles from the Front Line, a primetime television series following US forces in Afghanistan. They were after human stories told through the eyes of the soldiers. Van Munster's aim was to get close and personal. He said: "You can only get accepted by these people through chemistry. You have to have a bond with somebody. Only then will they let you in. What these guys are doing out there, these men and women, is just extraordinary. If you're a cheerleader of our point of view - that we deserve peace and that we deal with human dignity - then these guys are really going out on a limb and risking their own lives."

It was perfect reality TV, made with the active cooperation of Donald Rumsfeld and aired just before the Iraqi war. The Pentagon liked what it saw. "What Profiles does is given another in depth look at what forces are doing from the ground," says Whitman. "It provides a very human look at challenges that are presented when you are dealing in these very difficult situations." That approached was taken on and developed on the field of battle in Iraq.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/15/iraq.usa2

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

I'll just say ok and leave it at that. But please understand that information is redacted prior to release to the general public. Some is even done to "please" the general public.

I know you are going to leave it at that. LOL...I would if I were you too. See these folks are so arrogant, they tell you the truth out of their mouth AFTER they lie, but they know Americans have such short attention spans, we only remember the lie.

Game Peep Game.

 

[Kendrick]

It is a reported fact the DoD called Jerry Bruckhiemer to help them script it. This aint rumor. It has been reported in mainstream press.

Back in 2001, the man behind Black Hawk Down, Jerry Bruckheimer, had visited the Pentagon to pitch an idea. Bruckheimer and fellow producer Bertram van Munster, who masterminded the reality show Cops, suggested Profiles from the Front Line, a primetime television series following US forces in Afghanistan. They were after human stories told through the eyes of the soldiers. Van Munster's aim was to get close and personal. He said: "You can only get accepted by these people through chemistry. You have to have a bond with somebody. Only then will they let you in. What these guys are doing out there, these men and women, is just extraordinary. If you're a cheerleader of our point of view - that we deserve peace and that we deal with human dignity - then these guys are really going out on a limb and risking their own lives."

It was perfect reality TV, made with the active cooperation of Donald Rumsfeld and aired just before the Iraqi war. The Pentagon liked what it saw. "What Profiles does is given another in depth look at what forces are doing from the ground," says Whitman. "It provides a very human look at challenges that are presented when you are dealing in these very difficult situations." That approached was taken on and developed on the field of battle in Iraq.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/15/iraq.usa2

Didn't know it was that deep.

Have you watched the documentary War Made Easy on YouTube? It is really interesting.

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

I'll just say ok and leave it at that. But please understand that information is redacted prior to release to the general public. Some is even done to "please" the general public.

Matter of fact, bring your ass back here and take this red pill. LOL

Tillman had naively made contact with the CIA’s Noam Chomsky to discuss his plans to reveal what he knew about the lies of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld in the War on Terror. He was apparently also angry about the US Army’s support of the Afghan opium trade, started up by the army after the Taliban had eradicated it one hundred percent during their four-year reign. The US Army authorized the Northern Alliance to resume poppy production, according to Fox News shortly after we invaded Afghanistan.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/22/jb-campbell-killing-pat-tillman/

 

[The Founder]

:emlaugh: I will just agree to disagree. See the same people who call the President a baby killer fail to realize that the "boots" on the ground have work to do. I hold no ill will to the President of United States.

 

[The Founder]

Good convo though...I'll check back later...got some work to do.:tup:

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

What are his beliefs? Like Bluedog said...it's called war.

Sounds like you need to do some research on the Nuremberg Trials, War Crimes and the rules of combat. Boy, folks say kill the women and children when their boy is in office. Rep and Dem alike just throw morals, compassion and social justice out the window. That is some down and dirty shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement

 

[Anonymous]

Trust me. You dont know where I hang or live in St. Louis. Or where I grew up.

:tup:

 

[Sleepy J]

interesting figures, where is the source of these stats?

 

[Sleepy J]

• During WWI, 10 percent of all causalities were civilians.
• During WWII, 50 percent of all causalities were civilians.
• During the Vietnam War, 70 percent of all causalities were civilians.
• In the Iraq War, 90 percent of all causalities were civilians.

If the United States has the best military technology in the world, why are the number of civilian causalities increasing?

This is more than just collateral damage. This is murder.

Interesting figures where is the source of these stats?

 

[Anonymous]

Good convo though...I'll check back later...got some work to do.:tup:

:tup:

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

Please tell it correct when you do tell it. Bush was criticized for saying Mass weapons of destruction's were in these places. A lie doesn't care who tells it, but a lie will get told.

You are a good brother and all, but since you pretty much called me a liar and I got links for my stuff and told the truth about Bush, either point out my lies with support or retract that statement. People assume when you call out one massa you love the other. I dont love ANY of them. See they are both managers of the same system. It is the system that matters, not the manager.

 

[JagHammer]

interesting figures, where is the source of these stats?

Thank you. I can say Bush "loved" children or Romney hates his constituents, but unless I can see the source and look it up for myself, the point is moot.

 

[JROCK]

Its called war dumbmass and if sending a drone bothers you maybe he should just send a few bombers or attack fighter so we can see how you likes that mess.

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:lol: :emlaugh:

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military.
Smedley Butler

There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights.
Smedley Butler

War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
Smedley Butler
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/smedley_butler.html#Sm2Truefhv9Pc86q.99


http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf

 

[southsuburbs]

Sounds like you need to do some research on the Nuremberg Trials, War Crimes and the rules of combat. Boy, folks say kill the women and children when their boy is in office. Rep and Dem alike just throw morals, compassion and social justice out the window. That is some down and dirty shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement

I asked what HIS beliefs were. I understand all that you're saying with wars and killing innocent people, blah, blah, blah (not that agree/disagree...but I understand). But Anonymous said, "he's sticking to his beliefs" and I asked what "his" beliefs were.

Just b/c someone says, "Wars are bad" doesn't mean a whole bunch for me to be like, "he's sticking to his beliefs". What if all of his other "beliefs" suck...but good thing he's sticking to his beliefs on wars huh?! :emlaugh:

But back to what you're saying...
President Obama didn't start any of these wars and yes, in a make-believe world, it would be nice if he just came right in office and said, "we're ending the war. Pull everyone out RIGHT NOW". But you, me, and Lupe all know it doesn't work like that nor is it that easy. Even if he said to pull everyone out right now...it still wouldnt' happen.

I dont' have an issue with criticizing President Obama but most times folks criticism isn't even realistic.

 

[southsuburbs]

I watched a documentary about his death, and how Tillman's family members to this day haven't received a sufficient explanation about how and why he died. One part of the documentary that was interesting was how Tillman described troops engaging in rescuing Jessica Lynch was frustrating to him because it was setup as a made for TV event to make it appeal to the American people.

Who, with a lil bit of common sense, believed anything about the "rescue" of Jessice Lynch?! :retard:

That's right up there with the WMD's theory. :emlaugh: