Lanier Point guard Ellis will declare for NBA draft


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JeffAggieFan said:
DA Sperm,
Hey If I was a GM I would rather draft the foreign guys like Ginalobi, Parker, the guy from the bull Nicholi, and others. They can come in and play immediatiely.

Not so fast....they have a lower success rate than high schoolers. The difference is that they get drafted, and if they don't think they can make it, they stay in their country for 2-3 more years before coming to the NBA. That's a wasted draft pick just the same.
 
I see a NBA Developmental Leauge coming for the High Schoolers, Euro Players and College Players that are not ready for the NBA.
 



wahines said:
I see a NBA Developmental Leauge coming for the High Schoolers, Euro Players and College Players that are not ready for the NBA.


You know what, I see the same thing coming. The only problem is that the NBA will not pay those players in the developmental league big money so kids like Monta Ellis will head on off to college. Only those kids who grades are suspect or been out of school and didn't get drafted will participate.
 
The Developmental League in the NBA is needed. They can pay the players a decent salary. Either you will play here or go to college. It is simple as that. The Vet's are upset because the young players are getting the money and vets that have played 10 years or more are having their jobs taken away.

Either have a NBA Developmental Leauge or watch the NBA become unpopular. It is their choice. :tophat:
 
Re: Lanier star confident 1st round his calling

BG1986 said:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050427/SPORTS06/504270352/1025/SPORTS

April 27, 2005
Lanier star confident 1st round his calling


One Internet mock NBA draft has Ellis slipping to 2nd round

By Todd Kelly
[email protected]


One Web site, NBAdraft.net, has him dangling near the very bottom of the first round.

Another, DraftCity.com, predicts he won't be selected until the middle of the second.

Yet if Lanier basketball star Monta Ellis is the least bit discouraged by the Internet pundits and their mock drafts, he isn't letting on. One day after announcing he hopes to play in the NBA next season, the 19-year-old Ellis remains confident his decision will be rewarded on draft night June 28.
Ellis said Tuesday night he plans to sign with New York-based agent Andy Miller in the next few days, a move that would make him ineligible to play college basketball. Ellis, a 6-foot-3 guard and the Parade national Co-Player of the Year and Mr. Basketball in Mississippi, signed scholarship papers last November with Mississippi State.

"I don't look at those things too much," said Ellis of the mock drafts. "It's just somebody judging you on what they think they know about basketball. I know if I get in the gym and keep working at it, I'll be a sure first-round pick."

There appears to be merit in his optimism. While some Internet draft analysts apparently downgraded Ellis for his postseason all-star showing (he averaged an unremarkable 10.5 points and 3.5 assists in two games), at least some in the NBA made up their minds after seeing Ellis in person during his spectacular senior season at Lanier.

The questions ? Is the 175-pound Ellis too skinny for the NBA grind and/or does he lack point guard savvy? ? are a moot point for one executive from an Eastern Conference team. That's the case even as the annual wave of college underclassmen and foreign players, now 50-something strong, toss their names in the hat as the May 14 deadline to enter the draft nears.

"There are no fears," the executive told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Tuesday. "Monta Ellis has got a world of talent. He plays the game the right way ? and that's always your concern when it comes to high school players.

"I don't think anybody is asking these kids to come save their franchise. He's a talented young player who can add a lot to your organization... There's a very good chance he could be gone by the end of the lottery."

Bob Gibbons, a long-time basketball recruiting analyst based in North Carolina, talks to NBA scouts and personnel on a regular basis. Gibbons thinks the chances are "none whatsoever" that Ellis could get passed over in the first round, where each of the 30 players chosen receive guaranteed three-year contracts worth millions of dollars.

"If Sebastian Telfair can come out and be a high draft pick..." Gibbons said. "I'm not an expert on what the NBA is looking for, but I think Monta Ellis is bigger, shoots it better and has more longterm potential."

Telfair, a celebrated 6-0 guard from Brooklyn, N.Y., who is also represented by Miller, was chosen by Portland with the 13th pick of the first round last June. He averaged 6.8 points and 3.3 assists and started 26 games for the Trail Blazers.

Both Gibbons and Lanier coach Thomas Billups believe Telfair's play this season helps to convince NBA general managers and coaches that a comparatively small high school guard can make the huge jump to the NBA.

"I think that helped a lot," Billups said. "There are plenty of people in the NBA not as tall as Monta. When it comes to basketball, I think Monta will be able to handle everything they throw at him."

Billups, too, doesn't expect Ellis to slip out of the first round. Last year, nine high school seniors or prep school players declared for the draft. Eight, including Al Jefferson of Prentiss, were chosen in the first round. The ninth, former McComb star Jackie Butler, was cashing an NBA paycheck by February.

Billups said representatives from approximately two dozen NBA teams called or visited Lanier to inquire about Ellis, who is among three prep players thus far to declare for the draft.

"With as many NBA people who have seen Monta play, they would be honest and tell us he wouldn't be a first-rounder," Billups said. "If he wasn't going to go in the first round, I wouldn't let it happen to him."

Ellis, who is scheduled to graduate from Lanier on May 25, plans to work out for NBA teams in the coming weeks at Lanier and in various league cities. Boston, Toronto, Memphis, Detroit, New Jersey and Denver are among the teams that seem most interested, Billups said.

Ellis isn't sure where he'll end up. His immediate goal is rehabilitating his left knee following minor surgery on April 14. He'll be at the IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla., the rest of this week. Soon, he'll be looking forward to finding out his next destination on June 28.

"When that comes, of course it will be exciting," said Ellis, who said he made up his mind to test the NBA waters after Lanier's victory in the 4A championship game last month. "I know there are people who don't want me to succeed, but there are a lot of people who do, too. Right now, I'm just taking everything in stride. Like they say ? I'm taking it one day at a time."


Who the hell is his agent? One thing Telfair had going better than Monta is competition he played against. The NBA will always think a kid from NYC is better than some Ms basketball player. Also last year was a weak draft for point guards. That's why Telfair went as high as he did. This year there are a bevy of proven point guards coming out of college that are more ready than Monta. He's going to end up just like Rashard Lewis of Seattle did when he slipped to the 2nd round where your money aint guarnteed and they can cut you. Even though that kid really did get messed over by the Rockets in not drafting him. Good thing for Lewis he became a star because his agents filled him and his HS coach with the same crap they are telling Monta. Each draft is different. Just cause one kid goes high one year don't mean it is automatic for you the next. Monta better head some of those publications that say he may slip.

Unless he has talked with the teams GM or president, he has no idea where he may fall. Those NBA scouts don't make the final call. For example the article says Detroit is interested in him. Well how much you want to bet that NC alum Larry Brown and Joe Dumars will pick Felton over him if Felton is available. Same goes for Denver. Toronto's GM is under fire since coming over from Minnesota and he can't afford to take a HS guard with potential if he wants to save his job. He needs immediate impact. My whole point is this. Those scouts always get these kids all hyped up and then on draft day they sit there wondering what happened when they don't get pick. That's because these scouts don't have the final say. Hell sometimes the GM don't either, its up to the owner. And with the dwindling attendance numbers in the NBA, these owners need a household name that their fans will identify with and that can make a sudden impact on the team which will put fans in the stands. Which is one of the reasons Stern is about to do this age thing.

Again I wish Ellis luck. But I aint going to feel sorry for him if he is on TV crying like Rashard Lewis was because he slipped to the 2nd round after ignoring the warning signs.
 
Da_Sperm said:
You don't get it. Ticket holders/buyers have voiced their concerns and that is why Stern has proposed the 20 year old age limit. For every Kobe, there are 10 Leon Smith (1st Round Draft Pick out of high school that didn't play 1 second in the NBA). Leon wasn't good enough to make the squad, nor good enough to make it in Europe. Fans were upset Dallas wasted a 1st round pick.

Again, high school kids play on Friday nights for $3.00. Professional NBA players play on Friday night for $45.00.
Naw, I get it. You don't. Every year I watch the draft. Every year more and more high schoolers are getting drafted. These kids are not coming out for nothing. There's a reason they are, and that reason is the NBA teams are drafting them.

As for your Leon Smith example, he got drafted in the first round and got paid. A lot of college draft players flame out, too. That's nothing limited to just high schoolers.

If these kids weren't getting drafted, they wouldn't be coming out. I remember laughing at Rashard Lewis when he got drafted in the 2nd round by Seattle several years ago. He cried all the way to the podium. Now, his ass is still in the NBA, making the max for a person with his tenure and will get paid even more in the years to come.

Cry me a river about what y'all don't wanna see. If you don't like the product, don't pay for it. Somebody else will. These teams are hurting. And these high schoolers are gonna keep getting drafted until the rules state they can't. Which probably won't be happening.
 
For every LaBron there are 10 Leon Smith's. Lenny Cook and DeAngelo Collins come to mind. There are too many Point Guards that you could name that you rather have than Ellis that are coming out of college.
 
Re: Lanier star confident 1st round his calling

JR said:
Who the hell is his agent? One thing Telfair had going better than Monta is competition he played against.

With the way high schools are traveling the country to play each other the competition factor is irrelevant. Monta lit up everyone he played against. That includes South Gwinnett who was a highly ranked team also.
 
wahines said:
For every LaBron there are 10 Leon Smith's. Lenny Cook and DeAngelo Collins come to mind. There are too many Point Guards that you could name that you rather have than Ellis that are coming out of college.

For every Tim Duncan there are 20 college stars who don't pan out.
 
wahines said:
For every LaBron there are 10 Leon Smith's. Lenny Cook and DeAngelo Collins come to mind. There are too many Point Guards that you could name that you rather have than Ellis that are coming out of college.

Actually Highschoolers have a relatively high success rate when it comes to being drafted. Even the ones who haven't panned out in the NBA at least got drafted. The ones who don't usually have character and/or academic issues that wouldve kept them out of college. They turn pro because its their only option.
 
Well Ellis .............all the expert's that have been advising you, first hand, on 2 boards, (meac and swac) have spoken.

Pack it in and please everyone but yourself. :swink:
 
The thing I look at when high schoolers make the jump is, how do they perform in all star games when matched against a team full of top notched talent, compared to torching some teams, with maybe 2 good players. No it's not the NBA, but it's a good gauge when they'll be facing top notch talent night in, and night out in the league.

That's what happened to Telfair last year. Granted he got drafted at number 11, but his stock fell from sure fire top 5. I see Ellis' numbers fell when going up against the best of the best, but I don't know what his FG% was in those games either, but his assist totals fell, and that's not a good indicator when you're going to be a NBA point guard.

I have a big problem when kids are not ready, and make the jump, but the risk is to great to advise them otherwise. If he gets a great shoe deal like Telfair got last year, then it's going to be impossible for him to turn the NBA down. Telfair signed with Adidas for 11 million dollars over 5 years, added with his guaranteed contract he's making a pretty penny, now if he chooses to blow it then it's on him, I won't lose sleep, or cry for him.

Until the NBA does something, then these kids will continue to throw their names in the ringer, my only hope would be for Ellis not to sign with an agent in the event that he doesn't go as high as he thinks he will. It's always good to cover yourself on the back end, but again, these kids only see today.

NICE
 
D-NICE said:
I see Ellis' numbers fell when going up against the best of the best, but I don't know what his FG% was in those games either, but his assist totals fell, and that's not a good indicator when you're going to be a NBA point guard.

Oh just his assists, huh? because he hit up the other top PG in the nation for 48 points when they played.
 
D-NICE said:
these kids only see today.
sorry, but I don't blame the high school kids. If the NBA is willing to put the money on the table for them, then not much wrong with them taking it

(btw, just because I went to the NBA out of high school has no bearing on my opinion on this matter)
 



D-NICE said:
The thing I look at when high schoolers make the jump is, how do they perform in all star games when matched against a team full of top notched talent, compared to torching some teams, with maybe 2 good players. No it's not the NBA, but it's a good gauge when they'll be facing top notch talent night in, and night out in the league.

That's what happened to Telfair last year. Granted he got drafted at number 11, but his stock fell from sure fire top 5. I see Ellis' numbers fell when going up against the best of the best, but I don't know what his FG% was in those games either, but his assist totals fell, and that's not a good indicator when you're going to be a NBA point guard.
I disagree. The NBA doesn't put much stock in the actual all-star game. Those games are just up and down, no defense, few passes. The scouts and execs spend the week of practice grading these kids. They know what's what before the game is played. When the game rolls around, most of the NBA is gone.

Monta torched Oak Hill Academn two years straight. That's not a team with just one or two good players. But regardless of how he did against this team or that, y'all can't expect these kids to turn this opportunity down when history has shown that the NBA will take them. There are only 2 rounds in the draft. While 2nd rounders aren't guaranteed a dime, teams ain't in the habit of wasting a pick on somebody they don't plan to keep.
 
mighty hornet said:
sorry, but I don't blame the high school kids. If the NBA is willing to put the money on the table for them, then not much wrong with them taking it
Exactly
 
Robber said:
As for your Leon Smith example, he got drafted in the first round and got paid. A lot of college draft players flame out, too. That's nothing limited to just high schoolers.

Not is guaranteed in the NBA. Although he was drafted in the 1st round, Dallas told him to go play in Europe for a year or two, he declined that made his contract VOID. Once Nellie saw him perform in the NBA Summer League, he knew that kid wasn't ready. It was only after Mark Cuban bought the MAVS that he got any money. Cuban, out of the kindness of his heart, decided to pay him $1 million dollars ($50,000/year for the next 20 years). That was only to ensure that kid could have a decent life because he was given bad advice about skipping college.

You can say what you want, but the more high school kids you put in the NBA, the worse the NBA becomes.
 
If that is the truth then Leon had a terrible agent that allowed him to sign a contract with a clause to go to Europe to play. I've never heard of that and still don't quite believe it.
 
Smith has been isolated from the team and has refused suggestions that he spend time playing overseas or in a developmental league. The Mavericks did not believe that he was ready for the NBA and wanted him to further develop his skills. Upon arrival at the Mavericks' rookie camp, he clashed with assistant coach Don Nelson and then refused to follow instructions

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/1999/11/02/leonsmith_sign_ap/

Dallas is paying his contract over the next 10 years (1.4 mil). He average 25.5 points a game in high school and couldn't make a NBA Summer squad.
 
j4l, I said assist, because in all star games, he's not going to get the same amount of shots he gets in his regular games, but as a point guard he will still have to dish it out. That's why I said I didn't know his FG% on the shots he took. I don't expect none of those kids to average their normal point total in all star games unless they're just gunning, because of the level of competition. But I look at the shots they take, and I check the FG%.

The Livingston kid last year didn't have his normal point production in the game, but he had more assist in the game, than he normally averaged for the season.

That's what I look for when I'M trying to determine how good a kid MAY be. Not that pro scouts look at that, but for my own personal point of view.

Robber, and Mighty Hornet, where did I say he was wrong for not going to school? I've always contened that it's the NBA's own fault, go back and look at my first post on the "Discrimination thread". As a matter of fact, I believe I was the first one to say so.

I also said I don't blame the kids for getting money that someone is going to give them, even if they're not ready. I also added that if he gets a lucrative sneaker endorsement it will be next to impossible for him not to go to the NBA.

Do I like the fact that these kids are coming in not ready, HELL NO!!! But I don't blame them either. I love the NBA, and I hate to see it in it's current state, but I'd be lying if I said I enjoy shelling out money going to games, to Comcast, and the NBA for the NBA Ticket as well, to look at a bunch of develpomental projects. I often reference the NBA teams that play in the international tournaments, because it's there you see how far the NBA has fallen.

If you call me in the winter months at night, more than likely I'm looking at the NBA, and being able to see all the teams just about everytime they play, I really see how bad the game is. I don't just look at the Sportscenter highlights.

There are some bright spots, like JR Smith, Shaun Livingston, Josh Howard, and the Jefferson kid from Boston, but I don't see much promise from a lot of them. Namely Telfair, that kid gets worked more than a hooker at tax return time. He looks lost the majority of the time, and I'd hate for a kid to go through that for the money, but they see today.

Hey MH, I'm still waiting on my autographed poster dawg. :lmao:

NICE
 
OK, 10 year payout

DALLAS (AP) -- Leon Smith, the talented but troubled teenager struggling to go from high school star to NBA rookie, has been released by the Dallas Mavericks and is a free agent.

Smith's stormy relationship with the Mavericks ended Tuesday with a deal that ensures he'll get the $1.45 million he was guaranteed by being a first-round pick. The only question is who will be picking up the tab.

If another team takes a chance on the 19-year-old forward, they must fulfill the three-year deal Smith signed in November. If not, the Mavericks will pay it out over 10 years.
 
Da_Sperm said:
Not is guaranteed in the NBA. Although he was drafted in the 1st round, Dallas told him to go play in Europe for a year or two, he declined that made his contract VOID. Once Nellie saw him perform in the NBA Summer League, he knew that kid wasn't ready. It was only after Mark Cuban bought the MAVS that he got any money. Cuban, out of the kindness of his heart, decided to pay him $1 million dollars ($50,000/year for the next 20 years). That was only to ensure that kid could have a decent life because he was given bad advice about skipping college.

You can say what you want, but the more high school kids you put in the NBA, the worse the NBA becomes.

I agree totally. Considering the fact that Monta didn't make high enough on the ACT to even be admitted to MSU on a probationary status and that he didn't pass any of the state test required for graduation, his options are limited. For the sake of his long term betterment, he should prepare for and retake the ACT, do community college or go to any 4-year to prepare himself for the long haul.
 
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