Jerry West: LeBron has surpassed Kobe as a player


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Jerry is only saying what true Lakers fans want to say.. they rather Lebron in LA than Kobe...

Thanks Jerry for speaking for the true Laker fans..

So these guys don't know what they're talking about?

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Dr. J on Lebron vs Kobe​


Julius Erving talks with David Friedman of the 20 Second Timeout blog about the difference between Kobe and Lebron.

[Ed. note: It's worth noting that whenever the true experts weigh in — the GMs, coaches, players, and legends of basketball — they're all saying the same thing. Kobe.]

what i don’t like about sports, especially so called analysts, is that they are such bandwagon fools. look, for years, it has bee said that kobe is the best player in the nba. suddenly, lebron is that player, in one year, this season. you mean to tell me, that after proclaiming kobe as the best (and some still claim that this season inspite of voting for lebron), lebron has surpassed kobe in just one year (this one)? it takes time for one to establish himself as the best player in any league, i don’t believe in handing anyone that honor just like that. hey, give lebron the mvp award. that’s okay. he deserves it. but so does kobe. it matters not that he has a better supporting cast, he is still the best player among that cast, and he is the one who leads them to their greatness. people are overlooking a few important things. kobe has already been robbed of the award before. he should have won it when he averaged 35 pts a game, and should have won it back in 2002-2003 season. it’s amazing how many consider him the best player after michael jordan, yet have awarded him one meager mvp award. are you telling me that steve nash, who won it back-to-back is a better player than kobe? kobe’s entire body of work, including this season, is deserving enough for him to win the award this season. anyhow, it doesn’t matter. time and again, kobe has proven to us and the entire basketball world, that he is the most talented player in the world. go ahead and give lebron the award. quite frankly, kobe doesn’t care about who gets it. mark my words, at the end of this season, kobe will have shown the world again, especially the naysayers, he is still the king of the jungle. and when the smoke clears, he will once again have separated himself from the pack of pretenders the sportswriters claim have overtaken kobe. when it’s all said and done, lebron will only be able wish he could trade his mvp award for kobe’s rings. but don’t take my word for it. just watch kobe, in all his greatness, and how he will prove to the world he is still best player in the planet. oh, and you watch him win his 4th nba title.


Q: What is your take on Kobe Bryant versus LeBron James?

Erving: "I think that what you have is a torch bearing situation. Kobe has the torch and he is destined to pass it on to LeBron. Right now, I think Kobe has it."

Q: What separates Kobe from LeBron?

Erving: "The years of experience, the fact that there is no substitute for that. In terms of his individual ability, he does things in a little bit more of a traditional sense to get it done. LeBron is kind of like a bull in a china shop. He is a fantastic talent. I don't think he knows how good he is. Looking at him coming full speed at 270 pounds, that is like Shaq playing point guard. It's like, 'All you little boys need to move out of my way.' But, the combination of offense and defense, finesse and power, Kobe is the package--and I think that LeBron would probably admit that. Well, maybe because of their egos neither one would admit anything! But, that is part of it, don't give anybody any quarter or do anything that will put you at a disadvantage. Kobe's got the torch now and LeBron is next in line."
 



So these guys don't know what they're talking about?

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Dr. J on Lebron vs Kobe​


Julius Erving talks with David Friedman of the 20 Second Timeout blog about the difference between Kobe and Lebron.

[Ed. note: It's worth noting that whenever the true experts weigh in — the GMs, coaches, players, and legends of basketball — they're all saying the same thing. Kobe.]

what i don’t like about sports, especially so called analysts, is that they are such bandwagon fools. look, for years, it has bee said that kobe is the best player in the nba. suddenly, lebron is that player, in one year, this season. you mean to tell me, that after proclaiming kobe as the best (and some still claim that this season inspite of voting for lebron), lebron has surpassed kobe in just one year (this one)? it takes time for one to establish himself as the best player in any league, i don’t believe in handing anyone that honor just like that. hey, give lebron the mvp award. that’s okay. he deserves it. but so does kobe. it matters not that he has a better supporting cast, he is still the best player among that cast, and he is the one who leads them to their greatness. people are overlooking a few important things. kobe has already been robbed of the award before. he should have won it when he averaged 35 pts a game, and should have won it back in 2002-2003 season. it’s amazing how many consider him the best player after michael jordan, yet have awarded him one meager mvp award. are you telling me that steve nash, who won it back-to-back is a better player than kobe? kobe’s entire body of work, including this season, is deserving enough for him to win the award this season. anyhow, it doesn’t matter. time and again, kobe has proven to us and the entire basketball world, that he is the most talented player in the world. go ahead and give lebron the award. quite frankly, kobe doesn’t care about who gets it. mark my words, at the end of this season, kobe will have shown the world again, especially the naysayers, he is still the king of the jungle. and when the smoke clears, he will once again have separated himself from the pack of pretenders the sportswriters claim have overtaken kobe. when it’s all said and done, lebron will only be able wish he could trade his mvp award for kobe’s rings. but don’t take my word for it. just watch kobe, in all his greatness, and how he will prove to the world he is still best player in the planet. oh, and you watch him win his 4th nba title.


Q: What is your take on Kobe Bryant versus LeBron James?

Erving: "I think that what you have is a torch bearing situation. Kobe has the torch and he is destined to pass it on to LeBron. Right now, I think Kobe has it."

Q: What separates Kobe from LeBron?

Erving: "The years of experience, the fact that there is no substitute for that. In terms of his individual ability, he does things in a little bit more of a traditional sense to get it done. LeBron is kind of like a bull in a china shop. He is a fantastic talent. I don't think he knows how good he is. Looking at him coming full speed at 270 pounds, that is like Shaq playing point guard. It's like, 'All you little boys need to move out of my way.' But, the combination of offense and defense, finesse and power, Kobe is the package--and I think that LeBron would probably admit that. Well, maybe because of their egos neither one would admit anything! But, that is part of it, don't give anybody any quarter or do anything that will put you at a disadvantage. Kobe's got the torch now and LeBron is next in line."


Dr.J is just being political right now.. Notice he says.."I THINK"...... He don't want to really say what he know...

Honestly in this situation that years of experience can be CANNED... Lebron didn't out the blue surpase Kobe... As soon as Lebron came into the league he became chasing Kobe down... It's no one fault but their own, that they did see a 18 year lead his team to the finals in his 2 year and has became the hottest commodity in the NBA in just a few short years... Has more respect than Kobe around the league in just a few short years...

Where Lebron has the Cavs right now is NO suprise to folk who really watched this young man and wasn't buying into the Kobe(next Jordan BS)...
 
Dr.J is just being political right now.. Notice he says.."I THINK"...... He don't want to really say what he know...

I think you over looked something else he said...

but don’t take my word for it. just watch kobe, in all his greatness, and how he will prove to the world he is still best player in the planet. oh, and you watch him win his 4th nba title.

Not to mention hearing it come out of Lebron's own mouth.
 
rob,
why is it "hate" if someone thinks Lebron is better than kobe?

btw, did Lebron win the MVP award because the voters hated kobe?
I say it because of the posts I'm reading. They aren't just saying Lebron is better. They saying Kobe ain't nowhere close and basically playing the guy like he's Tryone Lue or somebody. Nothing but hate.
 
Here's a question for the pro-Kobe group....

If LeBron wins the title AND the Finals MVP this year....will you be closer to puting the King over the Mamba? Or, if nothing else, giving him way more credit than you do now?


Looking from here.....the only real issue is Kobe getting NOT'a ONE Finals MVP out of a three-peat. Last time I checked..."carrying" teams means there's an MVP somewhere in your future. And, Kobe had neither a Finals nor a regular season MVP during those times.

So, as someone who has no stock in the "Shaq v Kobe for prime share holder" convo, how can I say Kobe carried a team to a title with no official name tag?
 
Here's a question for the pro-Kobe group....

If LeBron wins the title AND the Finals MVP this year....will you be closer to puting the King over the Mamba? Or, if nothing else, giving him way more credit than you do now?


Looking from here.....the only real issue is Kobe getting NOT'a ONE Finals MVP out of a three-peat. Last time I checked..."carrying" teams means there's an MVP somewhere in your future. And, Kobe had neither a Finals nor a regular season MVP during those times.

So, as someone who has no stock in the "Shaq v Kobe for prime share holder" convo, how can I say Kobe carried a team to a title with no official name tag?

Kobe is greater now than Shaq was then. No big deal though. Shaq's at home and will never have another chance at winning a title. Shaq is a has been washed up dinosaur.
 
I don't know, why don't you gave two HOF and one future HOF a call and ask them Blade?


So these guys don't know what they're talking about?

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Dr. J on Lebron vs Kobe​


Julius Erving talks with David Friedman of the 20 Second Timeout blog about the difference between Kobe and Lebron.

[Ed. note: It's worth noting that whenever the true experts weigh in — the GMs, coaches, players, and legends of basketball — they're all saying the same thing. Kobe.]

what i don’t like about sports, especially so called analysts, is that they are such bandwagon fools. look, for years, it has bee said that kobe is the best player in the nba. suddenly, lebron is that player, in one year, this season. you mean to tell me, that after proclaiming kobe as the best (and some still claim that this season inspite of voting for lebron), lebron has surpassed kobe in just one year (this one)? it takes time for one to establish himself as the best player in any league, i don’t believe in handing anyone that honor just like that. hey, give lebron the mvp award. that’s okay. he deserves it. but so does kobe. it matters not that he has a better supporting cast, he is still the best player among that cast, and he is the one who leads them to their greatness. people are overlooking a few important things. kobe has already been robbed of the award before. he should have won it when he averaged 35 pts a game, and should have won it back in 2002-2003 season. it’s amazing how many consider him the best player after michael jordan, yet have awarded him one meager mvp award. are you telling me that steve nash, who won it back-to-back is a better player than kobe? kobe’s entire body of work, including this season, is deserving enough for him to win the award this season. anyhow, it doesn’t matter. time and again, kobe has proven to us and the entire basketball world, that he is the most talented player in the world. go ahead and give lebron the award. quite frankly, kobe doesn’t care about who gets it. mark my words, at the end of this season, kobe will have shown the world again, especially the naysayers, he is still the king of the jungle. and when the smoke clears, he will once again have separated himself from the pack of pretenders the sportswriters claim have overtaken kobe. when it’s all said and done, lebron will only be able wish he could trade his mvp award for kobe’s rings. but don’t take my word for it. just watch kobe, in all his greatness, and how he will prove to the world he is still best player in the planet. oh, and you watch him win his 4th nba title.


Q: What is your take on Kobe Bryant versus LeBron James?

Erving: "I think that what you have is a torch bearing situation. Kobe has the torch and he is destined to pass it on to LeBron. Right now, I think Kobe has it."

Q: What separates Kobe from LeBron?

Erving: "The years of experience, the fact that there is no substitute for that. In terms of his individual ability, he does things in a little bit more of a traditional sense to get it done. LeBron is kind of like a bull in a china shop. He is a fantastic talent. I don't think he knows how good he is. Looking at him coming full speed at 270 pounds, that is like Shaq playing point guard. It's like, 'All you little boys need to move out of my way.' But, the combination of offense and defense, finesse and power, Kobe is the package--and I think that LeBron would probably admit that. Well, maybe because of their egos neither one would admit anything! But, that is part of it, don't give anybody any quarter or do anything that will put you at a disadvantage. Kobe's got the torch now and LeBron is next in line."
 
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Now that's a freaking lie. Please don't disrespect Shaq like that. Diesel came into the league dominating. Howard is on the level with Yao Ming.

I was comparing the careers to the old and new. Howard has surpassed Shaq at this point dummy. So right now you would rather have Shaq or Dwight? Dont answer that lol. I never said Dwight was better than Shaq, so dont twist my words.
 
Here's a question for the pro-Kobe group....

If LeBron wins the title AND the Finals MVP this year....will you be closer to puting the King over the Mamba? Or, if nothing else, giving him way more credit than you do now?


Looking from here.....the only real issue is Kobe getting NOT'a ONE Finals MVP out of a three-peat. Last time I checked..."carrying" teams means there's an MVP somewhere in your future. And, Kobe had neither a Finals nor a regular season MVP during those times.

So, as someone who has no stock in the "Shaq v Kobe for prime share holder" convo, how can I say Kobe carried a team to a title with no official name tag?
Steve Nash got 2 league MVPs. Is he better than Lebron and Kobe???
 
I don't know, why don't you gave two HOF and one future HOF a call and ask them Blade?

Im asking the pro-Kobe fans, bruh. Come on, nah.


As good as Kobe has been...in the eyes of alot of the public's opinion...what LeBron is doing is just more impressive. And, to do it with virtually no help is noteworthy.


I like LeBron and Kobe. No doubt, I'd gravitate more towards LeBron...but, that doesn't mean I hate Kobe (which, Im sure I'll be told that I said I do hate Kobe, sometime in the future...lol). But, Ima tell ya....I honestly don't think a universal poll on this subject wouldn't look good for Kobe.


Here's another question.....

In your opinion....

Has a post-Shaq Kobe had a series either "AS" impressive or more impressive than LeBron's series against Detroit two years ago?
 
Keep it 100 as you say
If the Hornets dont give up Kobe, the Lakers dont win any championships from 2000-2002.

What you guys dont realize is that Shaq was a big fat lazy bum when he was with the Lakers. He never came to camp in shape and sometimes he even got operations he knew he needed right before the season instead of after the season so he could recover in time. Do you guys know who carried those teams until Shaq got back? Kobe did.

The phrase was always, "Shaq says he is going to play himself into shape."

Everybody on the team was committed but Shaq. Can you imagine paying someone 20 million dollars and he dont have enough respect to come to camp in shape? Jerry West should have traded Shaq before he left so he can be somebody elses problem just like he is now.

Shaqs lack of committment was part of the reason Kobe/Shaq had a riff. Kobe was all in 100%, but Shaq was complacent and lazy.

Exactly. I am not in this Lebron vs Kobe discussion...I was just saying one man wasn't responsible for the Lakers championships...and you basically backed what I said.
 



Im asking the pro-Kobe fans, bruh. Come on, nah.


As good as Kobe has been...in the eyes of alot of the public's opinion...what LeBron is doing is just more impressive. And, to do it with virtually no help is noteworthy.

You can't be serious about that statement. So when Jerry Bust Kicked Shaq to the curve and strip the entire team, you're saying Kobe was left with an all star cast?


Has a post-Shaq Kobe had a series either "AS" impressive or more impressive than LeBron's series against Detroit two years ago?

It really doesn't matter because 1) It's an opinion 2) You can't reduce a person accomplishment to one or two series 3) That's not how greatness is measure.

Maybe you need to try reading Dr. J's comments again since you don't even believe Lebron's even though you hear it coming out of his own mouth. :lol:

Seriously Blade, when it's that deep there's no point in trying to debate any individual.
 
blue....first of all, you gotta get away from this "Blade is hating Kobe" temperature in your post. O'Blade requires a cooler setting than that. Cuz, truthfully, as of now...the GOAT tag still belongs to Jordan. So, in the end...O'Blade care is very microscopic on this subject.

It really doesn't matter because 1) It's an opinion 2) You can't reduce a person accomplishment to one or two series 3) That's not how greatness is measure.
Im not trying to reduce careers into one series. Im leaving that up to both sides spotty rhetoric....lol But, I do think my question is a legit question in the "carrying" conversation. I didn't say that is the in-all-be-all of questioning...it was just a simple question that only needed a simple answer. No need to make it more than it was

Maybe you need to try reading Dr. J's comments again since you don't even believe Lebron's even though you hear it coming out of his own mouth. :lol:
But, you JUST pointed out to me in YOUR #1, that it's all opinion, right? Just like DrJ...I have an opinion. So, now, Im supposed to put his over anyone elses? The majority of the opinions Ive heard and read say the opposite of what DrJ says. So, Im not going to put one or two men's opinion over mass opinion of either group.

And, blue....Im not buying Lebron saying Kobe is better JUST LIKE Im not buying Kobe saying Lebron is better. So, ...: PUSH

Seriously Blade, when it's that deep there's no point in trying to debate any individual.

Fair enough.
 
LOL @ this whole thread.

Yall are funny. Whether yall hate Shaq or called him lazy. He had a better chance then of carrying the Lakers to a title by himself than Kobe could have back then. So Shaq was greater at that point. Aint got nothing to do with a work ethic. He was simply the best player on the Lakers at that time from 2000-2002. Now since then, Kobe has surpassed him as a player. He should....he is younger and taken less beating. But when all is said and done, both are HOF players.

Also I am a huge Dr. J fan.......but even he can't be objective in this debate. Kobe is the son of his former Sixer team mate and he watched Kobe grow up when he was in the states. So I am sure he has an affinity for Kobe.

Right now I just think LeBron has done more for his franchise than Kobe has. The Lakers are bigger than Kobe. They are a storied organization. He is doing nothing that Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Kareem, Magic and other HOF Lakers have not already done. He was in an ideal situation.

LeBron on the other hand has had to carry a team/organization .....not to mention a city that has not won a championship in forever. He also had to come in with way more hype and pressure than Kobe did since he was the first player chosen in the draft and been under media scrutiny since he was 14. He had to be the man right away. Kobe had time to be Robin to Shaq's Batman before evolving to what he is now. So it makes sense that folks think what LeBron has done at a much younger age by himself for the most part with a Cleveland franchise that aint used to winning isht. At least Kobe went to an organization that had people in place that understood what winning was about.

That's what I said about Magic vs Zeke, Bird or Jordan. I love Magic and all......think he is the greatest PG ever......but he didn't have it as hard as Zeke at Detroit, Bird went to a Boston franchise even though storied.....was in the tank......and Jordan went to the Bulls kind of like LeBron has had to do in Cleveland.

Maybe Kobe's legacy would be more favorable to the masses if he had of went to Charlotte instead of saying he would not play for them. That turned alot of folks off on the kid right away. LeBron never made those statements. You think he wanted to play in Cleveland instead of somewhere he could be even more noticable? He would have loved to been somewhere in a situation like LA coming out. It has been more pressure on that kid going to near his hometown to take a franchise out of the dumps to where they are now. That's why folks think highly of what Lebron has done. That aint a knock on Kobe......just the facts.

Kobe right now is still the best closer....his experience has made him that way. Lebron don't have that yet. I would say D. Wade is another good closer. Now in saying that. LeBron is way farther along at 24 than Kobe was. Kobe just was on a better team. A Lebron now...could have accomplished the same thing Kobe did on those Lakers team. Hell they may have swept their opponents with him and Shaq then. LeBron is a much better passer than Kobe and on that Laker squad with all those veterans. He would have been sick. But hey that's my opinion. No hate involved. Still don't think either of them will win 6 titles like MJ did. But hey that is just me.
 
JR, Shaq has gotten a free pass. Every team he's been on, he's had an All Star point guard who helped bail him out during crunch time. When has Shaq ever made a game winning shot. When has his team depended on him in the fourth quarter during money time? Never, ever ever, yet Shaq's better than Kobe?

Dribbling...Kobe
Shooting...Kobe
Defense....Kobe
Passing....Kobe
Rebounding.....Shaq
Free throw shooting....Kobe
Most entertaining....Kobe
Most prolific scorer....Kobe
Clutch performer.....Kobe

I'll stop right there.
 
JR, Shaq has gotten a free pass. Every team he's been on, he's had an All Star point guard who helped bail him out during crunch time. When has Shaq ever made a game winning shot. When has his team depended on him in the fourth quarter during money time? Never, ever ever,

:xeye:
 
JR, Shaq has gotten a free pass. Every team he's been on, he's had an All Star point guard who helped bail him out during crunch time. When has Shaq ever made a game winning shot. When has his team depended on him in the fourth quarter during money time? Never, ever ever, yet Shaq's better than Kobe?

Dribbling...Kobe
Shooting...Kobe
Defense....Kobe
Passing....Kobe
Rebounding.....Shaq
Free throw shooting....Kobe
Most entertaining....Kobe
Most prolific scorer....Kobe
Clutch performer.....Kobe

I'll stop right there.

Wow. :retard:
 
JR, Shaq has gotten a free pass. Every team he's been on, he's had an All Star point guard who helped bail him out during crunch time. When has Shaq ever made a game winning shot. When has his team depended on him in the fourth quarter during money time? Never, ever ever, yet Shaq's better than Kobe?


I'll stop right there.

You needed to stop after the second sentence. Who was the All-Star point guard on the Magic back in the day when they were great? Scott Skiles? Darrell Armstrong? Brian Shaw?

How about the Lakers? Derek Fisher has not made an All-Star team. Tyronne Lue? Oh, crap Brian Shaw again?

How about the Heat? Damon Jones?, Jason Williams? an aging Gray Payton? :lol:

Don't you know Shaq has three of 50 best performances in the history of the NBA Finals since the merger?
 
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