Israel & Lebanon oficcially at war


July 17, 2006
SECTARIAN STRIFE
In an About-Face, Sunnis Want U.S. to Remain in Iraq
By EDWARD WONG and DEXTER FILKINS
BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 16 ? As sectarian violence soars, many Sunni Arab political and religious leaders once staunchly opposed to the American presence here are now saying they need American troops to protect them from the rampages of Shiite militias and Shiite-run government forces.
The pleas from the Sunni Arab leaders have been growing in intensity since an eruption of sectarian bloodletting in February, but they have reached a new pitch in recent days as Shiite militiamen have brazenly shot dead groups of Sunni civilians in broad daylight in Baghdad and other mixed areas of central Iraq.
The Sunnis also view the Americans as a ?bulwark against Iranian actions here,? a senior American diplomat said. Sunni politicians have made their viewpoints known to the Americans through informal discussions in recent weeks.
The Sunni Arab leaders say they have no newfound love for the Americans. Many say they still sympathize with the insurgency and despise the Bush administration and the fact that the invasion has helped strengthen the power of neighboring Iran, which backs the ruling Shiite parties.
But the Sunni leaders have dropped demands for a quick withdrawal of American troops. Many now ask for little more than a timetable. A few Sunni leaders even say they want more American soldiers on the ground to help contain the widening chaos.
The new stance is one of the most significant shifts in attitude since the war began. It could influence White House plans for a reduction of the 134,000 troops here and help the Americans expand dialogue with elements of the insurgency. But the budding accommodation is already stirring a reaction among the Shiites, who make up about 60 percent of the population but were brutally ruled for decades by the Sunnis.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/17/w...&en=20dfc317ae88e505&ei=5094&partner=homepage
 
It's amazing to me how people are always so quick to criticize the U.S. for everything (at least with Bush/republicans in office). i mean, you have got to be kidding me to somehow spin this into the fault of the U.S. Why in the world won't anyone jump on the people who attacked Israel and profess openly that they won't rest until Israel ceases to exist? Why in the world won't anyone acknowledge that Israel DID EXACTLY WHAT THE WORLD AND THE M-A W P OF C United Nations ASKED IT TO DO by giving up/back land to its foes which everybody, even the U.S. this current administration Condi Rice for crying out loud, said would bring peace and stability to the region, only to STILL be harrassed?? but yet we still sit up here and somehow place blame for this on Bush without one mention of the foes of Israel? Hezballah could stop this simply by returning the Israeli soldiers and dis-arming/stop shooting rockets into Israel, but do you think they will do that? If not, why not? why in the world is there NEVER any focus on THAT? i mean enough already on this somehow being the fault of the U.S. for God-sake. you have gotta be kidding me.
 



unknown1 said:
Israel would probably crush Lebanon and Syria without help. Iran im not sure of

The question of wether or not Israel has some type of nukes, (wink, wink), just might be answered.:p

If Hezbalaah hit's those oil and chemical refineries in Israel like they said they will do, ain't no telling what Israel will send flying across that border.

You see the response hitting a train station got.
 
staggalee83 said:
The question of wether or not Israel has some type of nukes, (wink, wink), just might be answered.:p

If Hezbalaah hit's those oil and chemical refineries in Israel like they said they will do, ain't no telling what Israel will send flying across that border.

You see the response hitting a train station got.


Frat, I can tell you for a fact that Israel has nukes. Or should I say access to them. Iran better shut up. Israel aint no punk. Did any one hear their PM or Foreign minister on TV Sunday. He basically said the US and UN countries better get those fools to cease what they are doing or else we gone keep on kicking them sleep. He also had a warning for Syria and Iran. He was like what the hell are we supposed to do. Sit back and chill. That was his reaction to the French President Chirac's comment that Israel went overboard and should reconsider what they are doing. You could tell he was like fugg Chirac arse. Punk mofos. LOL. BTW for the record as a military man............I can't stand them French bastards either. Fugg em. This isht is getting serious over there and for the first time it aint us stirring the pot. That's why Bush is cussing. LOL. I know he is like WTF?
 
JR said:
Frat, I can tell you for a fact that Israel has nukes. Or should I say access to them. Iran better shut up. Israel aint no punk. Did any one hear their PM or Foreign minister on TV Sunday. He basically said the US and UN countries better get those fools to cease what they are doing or else we gone keep on kicking them sleep. He also had a warning for Syria and Iran. He was like what the hell are we supposed to do. Sit back and chill. That was his reaction to the French President Chirac's comment that Israel went overboard and should reconsider what they are doing. You could tell he was like fugg Chirac arse. Punk mofos. LOL. BTW for the record as a military man............I can't stand them French bastards either. Fugg em. This isht is getting serious over there and for the first time it aint us stirring the pot. That's why Bush is cussing. LOL. I know he is like WTF?

This has been the worst kept secret of the 20th and 21st century.

Why won't Israel just admit they have them.
What's the deal on that.....................Like you said....................everybody know they either got them on hand or have "the ability" to put their hands on some REALLY FAST.

Israel did what they had to do.
They pulled out and Hamas and Hezbalaah did exactly what Israel said they would do when they agreed to the U.N. pullout of both places.

Lebanan let Hezbalah walk right in.
 
J C said:
I don't think you have to worry about Al Queda they are mostly made up of Sunnis. Hezbollah are Sh' ites backed by Iran and Syria. Did you hear the Saudis and Jordanians (sunnis) response to this latest conflict.

It's the Iranians creating havoc in the area. Our invasion and occupation of Iraq have enpowered them. When and if we pull out of Iraq, the Iranians will be the dominant power in the region, similarly where they were under the Shah. And the Saudis know this. Right now they are playing the proxy war game like we did doing the cold war. They are arming the insurgents in Afganistan, the Al Madhi militia in Iraq, and Hezbollah.

If you notice, we are not losing many troops in Iraq these days. The sunnis and Sh' ites are killing each other. The Iranians are arming and sponsoring this civil war.

I think that Hezbollah is backed more by Iran that Syria. I say this because the Syrians are Sunnis. Anyway, they are the big winners with what has happened in Iraq.
 
JR said:
Frat, I can tell you for a fact that Israel has nukes. Or should I say access to them. Iran better shut up. Israel aint no punk.


Oh they got them for sure! :nod:

That eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth ain't just words over yonder!
 
Do you all realize Israel has the most dedicated and best trained military in the world. Having worked with them before, their attitude is we will lose "X" amount of soldiers; once that number is reached we will withdraw. Say a prayer, and do unrestricted bombing and who so ever dies, they die.

It's just that simple.

Also to back up my fact on the best trained soldiers. In Israel, it is mandatory as a citizen to br trained in weaponry. I met an 8 year old GIRL who could take a part an M16, clean it, then put it back together.

Now taking that in to consideration, when you are trained since 5 to protect yourself, not fist fight, but to kill. You go figure.

What I would suggest for the U.S. to do is ask Israel one question and make one statement:

Israel we will only supply diplomatic aide in negotiotians. How far are you willling to take this to Hezbollah?
 
And the plot thickens a bit more

Israeli troops enter Southern Lebanon

So at this point Israel has officially invaded Lebanon. I just keep having this weird feeling that this is the beginning of something pretty big to come. I really dont see Syria, Iran and the US staying out of this too long. Also word has it that Syria is moving anti-aircraft SAM's to their border to protect against Israeli airstrikes.:smh:

Could it be the Holy war the good book speaks of near the end? Interesting...
 
And the plot thickens a bit more

Israeli troops enter Southern Lebanon

So at this point Israel has officially invaded Lebanon. I just keep having this weird feeling that this is the beginning of something pretty big to come. I really dont see Syria, Iran and the US staying out of this too long. Also word has it that Syria is moving anti-aircraft SAM's to their border to protect against Israeli airstrikes.:smh:

Could it be the Holy war the good book speaks of near the end? Interesting...
 
Think the world powers, UN etc will regulate this conflict and keep it from getting totally out of hand, but if Iran develops a nuke, things will really become complicated.
 



The thing is how do we know they dont already have one? Because Bush says so? It's been confirmed that the Palestinians had at least 7 of them as a result of that dude that was selling nuclear centrifuges and the instructions to build the bomb to Iran, North Korea and he tried to sell them to Iraq..but that was around the time that the US was accusing Saddam of having weapons of mass destruction so he thought it was a setup and didnt buy. Hell who knows who really has what over there.
 
unknown1 said:
The thing is how do we know they dont already have one? Because Bush says so? It's been confirmed that the Palestinians had at least 7 of them as a result of that dude that was selling nuclear centrifuges and the instructions to build the bomb to Iran, North Korea and he tried to sell them to Iraq..but that was around the time that the US was accusing Saddam of having weapons of mass destruction so he thought it was a setup and didnt buy. Hell who knows who really has what over there.

Time will tell, that's for sure. Will be interesting to see who actually detonates the next nuke and what the response will be to that is all i can say.
 
The response should be TOTAL AND COMPLETE DESTRUCTION for ANYONE who uses them.

"Let no more rememberance be had..."
 
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