yazeed1906
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Dr H.. said:
lol, the "point" is that ...for those who are interested in Islam...they could/can use this as a resource in their own time to answer some of their questions.
that is all...
Islam and Christianity.
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lol, the "point" is that ...for those who are interested in Islam...they could/can use this as a resource in their own time to answer some of their questions.
that is all...
JSU Chad
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Dr H.. said:
What does God say about the Jews? Don't they believe in a Messiah? Aren't they going to later believe in Christ as many are coming to believe in Him now? However, if one does not believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God they do not really worship God. PERIOD
BTW, the question was and is, "does Islam and Christianity worship the same God?"
JSU Chad
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Dr H.. said:
Like I said, "too much knowledge without understanding is dangerous." It causes one to lead others astray. You seem to read a lot and from the little that I have read on these boards you carry yourself as a scholar of the "Religions". You are even titled, "Dr". So, you SHOULD know exactly what I mean. I am not interested in debate, only truth. Although I am a student of the seminary I only know one thing...Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I say that to say this, "if you are looking for a sparring partner, I am not the one.":smash:
Dr H..
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JSU Chad
Seriously, what do you mean "What do you mean later believe".
Who said I was looking for a sparing partner, the word speaks for itself. Let the scriptures interpret the scriptures.
It’s apparent you have not been on the board long, the title Dr. H., was not of my doing, it given to me by some of my illustrious friends from Alabama State.
Why the personal attack [are you upset] have I ever considered or carried myself as a scholar. I have been wrong and corrected and accepted it graciously. I just believe in autopsying the scripture from Genesis to Revelation [chewing and digesting the word] and in Romans 15:4
Since you are a student at a seminary [don’t know how long] you should be familiar with biblical hermeneutics, grammar and languages. Being a student, your professors of theology should have taught you that whenever, you make a statement, and you have to cite the source.
“Aren't they going to later believe in Christ as many are coming to believe in Him now?”
However, if one does not believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God they do not really worship God. PERIOD"
Your comment is a blank "absolute" statement, and should have been clarified. A person very well says does that include Joshua, Ruth, David, Ezra, Joel, Micah, etc.
Attack Dog
Wasn't Egypt in decay by 2051 B.C.?
Good question "I think so" still trying to do some research.
10 At that time there was a severe famine in the land, so Abram went down to Egypt to wait it out. Genesis 12:10
Seriously, what do you mean "What do you mean later believe".
Who said I was looking for a sparing partner, the word speaks for itself. Let the scriptures interpret the scriptures.
It’s apparent you have not been on the board long, the title Dr. H., was not of my doing, it given to me by some of my illustrious friends from Alabama State.
Why the personal attack [are you upset] have I ever considered or carried myself as a scholar. I have been wrong and corrected and accepted it graciously. I just believe in autopsying the scripture from Genesis to Revelation [chewing and digesting the word] and in Romans 15:4
Since you are a student at a seminary [don’t know how long] you should be familiar with biblical hermeneutics, grammar and languages. Being a student, your professors of theology should have taught you that whenever, you make a statement, and you have to cite the source.
“Aren't they going to later believe in Christ as many are coming to believe in Him now?”
However, if one does not believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God they do not really worship God. PERIOD"
Your comment is a blank "absolute" statement, and should have been clarified. A person very well says does that include Joshua, Ruth, David, Ezra, Joel, Micah, etc.
Attack Dog
Wasn't Egypt in decay by 2051 B.C.?
Good question "I think so" still trying to do some research.
10 At that time there was a severe famine in the land, so Abram went down to Egypt to wait it out. Genesis 12:10
yazeed1906
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JSU Chad said:
So are you implying that there is more than one GOD? and if so how do this other GODs compare in rank to your GOD.
There is only one GOD. Scholars of all three of the major faiths agree on that and the fact that it is the same GOD. What differs from each however are the details. Careful don't confuse soundbytes from sermons with what years of scholarly research and study...
BIGCAT3000
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yazeed1906 said:
What he's saying is that Christians believe in the trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). Other faith's do not. Some Jews I know vtew that as a form of polytheism. However, Christians do not see it that way.
In The New Testament, Jesus speaks of a comforter that will come when he leaves (Holy Spirit). My interpretation of this is that the Holy Spirit is what God The Father imparts on each of us that believes that the Son died for our sins. The Son, as Chad said, is our access to God The Father.
yazeed1906
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BIGCAT3000 said:
again misunderstandings and misconceptions...not all christians believe that. In fact a good number don't. I find all of it interesting..especially considering christianity didn't even exist at the time of Jesus (PBUH) who was in fact not a christian.
I also recommend (HIGHLY) if one has not seen them the excellent documentaries available from the history channel....
banned books from the bible and
the gospel of judas
yazeed1906
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also keep in mind
Jesus (PBUH) never said he was God nor divine. Anytime he spoke, he spoke in reverance and honor of the ONE and TRUE GOD. In fact, he even spoke of the coming of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) as the one who would bring the message of salvation.
`Unworthy though I am to untie his hosen, I have received grace and mercy from God to see him.'
Then answered the priest, with the governor and the king, saying: `Distress not thyself, O Jesus, holy one of God, because in our time shall not this sedition be any more, seeing that we will write to the sacred Roman senate in such wise that by imperial decree none shall any more call thee God or son of God.'
Then said Jesus: `With your words I am not consoled, because where ye hope for light darkness shall come; but my consolation is in the coming of the messenger, who shall destroy every false opinion of me, and his faith shall spread and shall take hold of the whole world, for so hath God promised to Abraham our father. And that which giveth me consolation is that his faith shall have no end, but shall be kept inviolate by God.'
The priest answered: `After the coming of the messenger of God shall other prophets come?'
Jesus answered: `There shall not come after him true prophets sent by God, but there shall come a great number of false prophets, whereat I sorrow. For Satan shall raise them up by the just judgement of God, and they shall hide themselves under the pretext of my gospel.'
Herod answered: `How is it a just judgement of God that such impious men should come?'
Jesus answered: `It is just that he who will not believe in the truth to his salvation should believe in a lie to his damnation. Wherefore I say unto you, that the world hath ever despise the true prophets and loved the false, as can be seen in the time of Michaiah and Jeremiah. For every like loveth his like.'
Then said the priest: `How shall the Messiah be called, and what sign shall reveal his coming?'
Jesus answered: `The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: "Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail." Mohammed is his blessed name.'
Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying: `O God, send us thy messenger: O Mohammed, come quickly for the salvation of the world!'
Jesus (PBUH) never said he was God nor divine. Anytime he spoke, he spoke in reverance and honor of the ONE and TRUE GOD. In fact, he even spoke of the coming of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) as the one who would bring the message of salvation.
`Unworthy though I am to untie his hosen, I have received grace and mercy from God to see him.'
Then answered the priest, with the governor and the king, saying: `Distress not thyself, O Jesus, holy one of God, because in our time shall not this sedition be any more, seeing that we will write to the sacred Roman senate in such wise that by imperial decree none shall any more call thee God or son of God.'
Then said Jesus: `With your words I am not consoled, because where ye hope for light darkness shall come; but my consolation is in the coming of the messenger, who shall destroy every false opinion of me, and his faith shall spread and shall take hold of the whole world, for so hath God promised to Abraham our father. And that which giveth me consolation is that his faith shall have no end, but shall be kept inviolate by God.'
The priest answered: `After the coming of the messenger of God shall other prophets come?'
Jesus answered: `There shall not come after him true prophets sent by God, but there shall come a great number of false prophets, whereat I sorrow. For Satan shall raise them up by the just judgement of God, and they shall hide themselves under the pretext of my gospel.'
Herod answered: `How is it a just judgement of God that such impious men should come?'
Jesus answered: `It is just that he who will not believe in the truth to his salvation should believe in a lie to his damnation. Wherefore I say unto you, that the world hath ever despise the true prophets and loved the false, as can be seen in the time of Michaiah and Jeremiah. For every like loveth his like.'
Then said the priest: `How shall the Messiah be called, and what sign shall reveal his coming?'
Jesus answered: `The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: "Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail." Mohammed is his blessed name.'
Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying: `O God, send us thy messenger: O Mohammed, come quickly for the salvation of the world!'
Dr H..
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All that call themselves Christians are not "Christians" use the bible to outline the requirements.
It is true that Jesus never directly said, "I am God" or did He.
Or did He, when He used the words "I AM"
Or when he said
"I and the Father are one." ....(John 10:30-33)
I see you are pulling parts from the Gospel of Barnabas.
yazeed1906
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Dr H.. said:
so with line of reasoning i would assume you feel rastas are divine? lol how about the 5%
yazeed1906
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JSU Chad said:
Respect to jsu chad, dr h and everyone else in this thread...lol
yazeed1906
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Re: also keep in mind
not only true, but well documented....but if I am wrong I know that you will no doubt be happy to bless the board with actual statements (written during his time....no 100-200 years later) ...not parables, but statements
please cite where jesus (PBUH) says "I am God"
JSU Chad said:
not only true, but well documented....but if I am wrong I know that you will no doubt be happy to bless the board with actual statements (written during his time....no 100-200 years later) ...not parables, but statements
please cite where jesus (PBUH) says "I am God"
JSU Chad
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Re: also keep in mind
John 8:48-59
48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, ?Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon??
49 Jesus answered, ?I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.?
52 Then the Jews said to Him, ?Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ?If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.? 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be??
54 Jesus answered, ?If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ?I do not know Him,? I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.?
57 Then the Jews said to Him, ?You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham??
58 Jesus said to them, ?Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.?
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
There you have it.
yazeed1906 said:
John 8:48-59
48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, ?Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon??
49 Jesus answered, ?I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.?
52 Then the Jews said to Him, ?Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ?If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.? 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be??
54 Jesus answered, ?If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ?I do not know Him,? I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.?
57 Then the Jews said to Him, ?You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham??
58 Jesus said to them, ?Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.?
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
There you have it.
yazeed1906
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^^^^
same question from dr h now to you jsu chad...
so by him saying I am...does that mean rastas are devine as well. to say that he is claiming divinity is reading into that passage. he did not there (or anywhere else) say he was divine or God. notice even he says that he knows his Father (referring to "Him" he didn't say I know myself.
oh and btw...
gospel of john...
Though some conservative scholars date the gospel somewhere between AD 65 and 85, other critical scholars place it later, between 90 and 120.
be back later...gotta go pick up the kids from school...lol
same question from dr h now to you jsu chad...
so by him saying I am...does that mean rastas are devine as well. to say that he is claiming divinity is reading into that passage. he did not there (or anywhere else) say he was divine or God. notice even he says that he knows his Father (referring to "Him" he didn't say I know myself.
oh and btw...
gospel of john...
Though some conservative scholars date the gospel somewhere between AD 65 and 85, other critical scholars place it later, between 90 and 120.
be back later...gotta go pick up the kids from school...lol
JSU Chad
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yazeed1906 said:
Exodus 3:13-14
13 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
The first century Jews and especially the Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus claimed in John 8. This is why the picked up stones to stone Him.:read:
yazeed1906
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certainly pinned...cause you said so....lol. The documentation is there and always has been.
but it all the above is true then I guess we better go call the rastas.
but it all the above is true then I guess we better go call the rastas.
BulldogM.Ed.23
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Yo Chad, I'm going to use this quote as my new sig
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Yo Chad, I'm going to use this quote as my new sig
Thanks bro.....,JSU Chad said:
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