Islam and Christianity.


Muslims believe in the Absolute Oneness in Allah (their God). They do not believe in the trinity. Muslims do not believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead to win our salvation.
 



That's a core difference to be sure. Does that difference affect how people of one religion or the other treat their fellow man?
 
The word Allāh is the Arabic term for "God". Allah is used as a personal name for God's similar to the way the OT Hebrew used El. In other words the two words ?encompass? all that God is.

I respect the Muslems for their commitment to their belief. And it's to bad Christians are not that committed.
 
I respect the Muslems for their commitment to their belief. And it's to bad Christians are not that committed.
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I used to think that in college because I saw more muslims 100% dedicated to allah, than christian 100% dedicated to Jesus.

But as life goes on, I see more and more christians that are representing for God very well. It's encouraging. Depends on who you're around.

FYI, the difference between Islam & Christianity is like the difference between night and day.
 
Don't know the age demographic here, but when I was in college in the 80s and again in the early 90s, Islam was very popular on campus. Had an instructor who was a black muslim and of coarse he is one of the "landmarks" that mugz still talk about to this day because of his rhetoric in the class room, the whiting fish/no pork, the constant blasting of "the blue-eyed devil", on and on and on. I wonder what the Islamic movement is like on HBCUs today especially with, like you say, christianity is really becoming more "popular"(not to make it sound like a fad or the "in thing" or something, but you know what i mean) on college campuses? I would really love to see what the interaction is like between the black muslims and the black christians on college campuses today. :read:
 
Dr H.. said:
The word Allāh is the Arabic term for "God". Allah is used as a personal name for God's similar to the way the OT Hebrew used El. In other words the two words ?encompass? all that God is.

I respect the Muslems for their commitment to their belief. And it's to bad Christians are not that committed.
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Exactly, we worship the same GOD. Muslims consider Christ a prophet not a Savior. Christians and Jews are referred to as Dhimmis, "people of the book".

My problem with the Islamic faith, is it has not evolved. It has not moved from its tribal medieval origins. The teachings of Jesus facilitated the development of the modern world.
 
J C said:
Exactly, we worship the same GOD. Muslims consider Christ a prophet not a Savior...
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As I understand Islam - and that is very limited - Muslims and Christians DO NOT worship the same God. Embracing Jesus as some prophet and not Christ substantiates that premise. ?Eloeeynuw? (Deut 6:4) is very different from Allah.
 
I am not sure if people really understand Christianity. It goes much deeper than what we learn in Sunday school and Church Service. I know, that a majority of “So-Called” Christians does not understand the “Church” and it obvious, because of the beliefs of the different denomination and their belief.

As I understand Islam - and that is very limited - Muslims and Christians DO NOT worship the same God.

So what’s the difference between “the God of Islam” and “ the God of Christianity”?

Is it because thy do not use the word God. If that’s the case, then we are in error, because we do not use the same name for “God” as the Hebrews. Remember, the word God was used by the non-Hebrews and is used in the Bible as a substitute. The Hebrews had many names for “God” so would I be in error if I said I worship any of the following.

EL: God
ELOHIM:
EL SHADDAI:
JEHOVAH:
JEHOVAH-SHALOM:
JEHOVAH-SHAMMAH:
GAOL: "
MAGEN: "Shield
ZUR:
KURIOS: (kurios)
I AM
THEOS: (yeos)
SOTER: (soter)
Advocate

Malachi calls Messiah "The Sun of Righteousness" (Malachi 4:2).
Isaiah calls Messiah "Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God (El Gibhor), Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isa. 9:6).

The word God mean all the above, depending on how it is used in the scripture. If I was new on the board and said that I "Worship" ABHIR, most, if not all would think that he is crazy. The word [ABHIR] mean 'Mighty One' and He [God] is the Might One.

We need to be careful in condemning another person’s belief. The word Allah, mean submission to God. Most of the time we do not agree with someone or something, is because we do not understand.

Remember we are reading a "Transliteration of an Acient Text" and not the actual text. It would be interesting to read the original text and see exactly what word the Hebrews used for God. Pluse the word "God" is generic.
 
There's only one True God, period. Regardless of what you call Him, as long as you're referring to the ONe of the Holy Bible than you're good. That's the book He inspired, His Word.

Long story short.

Christians believe= Jesus is not JUST a prophet. He is the the ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY True Messiah / Savior of the world / Son of God / 1 Way to Heaven / complete Truth / Perfect Man who lived on earth / in Heaven at the right hand of God right now, PERIOD.

No Muslim believes that, period.

Muslims believe= Jesus was just a prophet and good guy, but not the ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY way to heaven (amongst other things).

That's the difference. This is a very elementary topic. Not that deep.

Christianity is unlike any other thing or group, especially when you compare end results and start talking about where you're going to spend eternity, period.
 
Christians believe= Jesus is not JUST a prophet. He is the the ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY True Messiah / Savior of the world / Son of God / 1 Way to Heaven / complete Truth / Perfect Man who lived on earth / in Heaven at the right hand of God right now, PERIOD.

No Muslim believes that, period.

Muslims believe= Jesus was just a prophet and good guy, but not the ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY way to heaven (amongst other things).
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That's not true with all Muslim. If you ever have an opportunity to talk with the Muslims that were raised in the desert. You will find that they are different than those raised in the city. I know some that are totally devoted to Christ, more so than some that call themselves Christians. We [Some] have painted a very bad picture of Muslim. One example being all Muslims are terrorist. If that’s the case, we can say all Christians are Klansman, since they lynched under the name of Christianity.

So where does that place the Jews, they like other denominations do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. If what you are saying about the Muslims, that would place those mentioned in the same boat.

The JW called themselves Christians and so does the Mormons.

Christianity is unlike any other thing or group, especially when you compare end results and start talking about where you're going to spend eternity, period.
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According to most "Christians" all it takes is “Being a Good person” will get you into the Heaven. However, that is not what the bible teaches. Some believe that you can live your life contrary to the word and you are still saved. The believe that “Once Saved Always Saved” There doctrinal lessons that “Christians” willfully disobey. So how can “Christians” point a finger at the Muslims, when some “Christians” are not obeying what they are preaching?

“Christians” are not in the position to preach to the Muslims or anyone else until they start living like a Christian.
 
Some Muslims call themselves Christians.

Mormons call themselves Christians.

Lakewood Church calls ourselves Christians.

Catholic call themselves Christians.

Seventhday Adventists call themselves Christians.

Church of Christ call themselves Christians.

A lot of people who believe a lot of different things call themselves Christians.

BUT the only ones that God the Father calls His own, Christians, are those who have complete faith in Jesus Christ alone. Forget what you call yourself, how are you viewed in the eyes of God the Father per the His Word, the Holy Bible. No faith in Jesus as Savior = no relationship with the one true God = Bible.
 
So does the Baptist, Methodist, Seventh Day Adventist and Rappers and most prisoners. God, has already defined the qualification of a Christian, that does not mean that we are not going to fall short “every once in a while” but He [God] has requirements. I am willing to bet, 100% of us does not meet 5% of the qualifications.

Look at these stats: “Christians”

Survey By The Barna Group

Percentage of adults who view certain behavior as morally acceptable (2003)

• 61% of adults view gambling as a morally acceptable behavior.
• Enjoying sexual thoughts or fantasies about someone 59%
• Living with someone of the opposite sex without being married, sometimes called co-habitation 60%
• Having an abortion 45%
• Having a sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex to whom you are not married 42%
• Looking at pictures of nudity or explicit sexual behavior 38%
• Using profanity (36%)
• Getting drunk (35%)
• Having a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex 30%
• Using drugs not prescribed by a medical doctor 17%

Views on Salvation

• More than half of all adults (54%) believe that if a person is generally good, or does enough good things for others during their life, they will earn a place in Heaven. (2005).
• 53% of blacks feel strongly that they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs with others, compared to 33% of Hispanics, 14% of Asians, and 33% of whites. (2005)
 
dacontinent said:
As I understand Islam - and that is very limited - Muslims and Christians DO NOT worship the same God. Embracing Jesus as some prophet and not Christ substantiates that premise. ?Eloeeynuw? (Deut 6:4) is very different from Allah.
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Is the "GOD" of the Old Testament the same as the one in the New Testament? Could there be a New Testament or Koran without the Old Testament? You need to think this through.
 



The word Allah, is a grain of corn that's stuck in the throat of most "So - Called Christians" What about the remainder of their doctrine.

Has anyone ever read the Torah, Nevi'im or Ketuvim. How about Yehoshua, B'resheet, Shir Hashirim, Yehudah, Yechezkel or Divre Hayamim Alef?

To often we limit ourselves, based on what have been translated [transliteration] into the English Language. Those names like Ruth, Samuel, David are translated. I am sure King David name was not David, but traslated to David, just as Saul to Paul.
 
J C said:
Exactly, we worship the same GOD. Muslims consider Christ a prophet not a Savior. Christians and Jews are referred to as Dhimmis, "people of the book".
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I don't know if we worship the same God, but i do know that there has been a fragmentation of the fundamental principles/interpretations of prophecy from whatever God we worship which has lead to the crap we are seeing (and have seen when christians were the primary culprits) to this day. Dhimmi communities under Islamic law where non-muslims allowed to practice their religion under severely restricted conditions(you could either accept Islam, not accept Islam and be killed or not accept Islam but if you were a Jew or Christian pay taxes to the Islamic government and be allowed to exist but as a subjugated, inferior but protected Dhimmi underclass to muslims/Islam.). They were second-class citizens and treated as such by muslims which Islamic law dictates to this day. That's not good and no different from so-called christians in the U.S. during the 18th, 19th and early-mid 20th century who justified slavery and the subjugation of blacks by pointing to elements of doctrine from the bible, the source of christianity.
 
Bartram said:
I don't know if we worship the same God, but i do know that there has been a fragmentation of the fundamental principles/interpretations of prophecy from whatever God we worship which has lead to the crap we are seeing (and have seen when christians were the primary culprits) to this day. Dhimmi communities under Islamic law where non-muslims allowed to practice their religion under severely restricted conditions(you could either accept Islam, not accept Islam and be killed or not accept Islam but if you were a Jew or Christian pay taxes to the Islamic government and be allowed to exist but as a subjugated, inferior but protected Dhimmi underclass to muslims/Islam.). They were second-class citizens and treated as such by muslims which Islamic law dictates to this day. That's not good and no different from so-called christians in the U.S. during the 18th, 19th and early-mid 20th century who justified slavery and the subjugation of blacks by pointing to elements of doctrine from the bible, the source of christianity.
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Bart,

I believe the Spanish reconquest is a better comparison. The reconquest of Spain by Christians was brutal in regard to Muslims.

Dr. H in above post has provided excellent examples of the evolution of western Christian societies. One could lose their head for such thinking and behavior during the middle ages.

We can all agree that fundamental religious doctrine in any culture creates a volatile situation, particularly when it is mixed or come in contact with secularism.
 
J C said:
Is the "GOD" of the Old Testament the same as the one in the New Testament? Could there be a New Testament or Koran without the Old Testament? You need to think this through.
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The God of the Old Testament is the God of ETERNITY. This has been tought through quite thoroughly. It is the very reason for the Deut 6:4 reference in my earlier post. Check it out for yourself.

No New Testament without an Old Testament; that would be nonsensical. As for the Koran, I don't know enough about it to make intelligent reference. I suppose that I should acquire a copy some time to do the research.

The OT is the history of God's choice of a people to show forth His love and salvation to the world. The NT is the beginning of the history of the revelation of THAT love and salvation through the same chosen people and its distribution to the world. How does the Koran compare in its purpose/function?
 
I believe we worship the same God, but the difference is Christ as the Savior [Christians] and a Prophet for the Muslims. Remember Islam is an off branch of Judaism [Ishmael]

[3:84] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters." Sura 3:84
[5:72] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers.
If a person read the Koran, they will find that Mohammed charged his followers to believe in Jesus and the divine revelation God gave to Him [Jesus] and the apostles and cautioned them that a failure or refusal to believe God?s word mean that your are lost.

Question for Discussion:

Why does society continue to attack Muslims and not Jews, Jehovah Witness and others that does not believe in God or Christ? A large % of the Jews denies Jesus, but no one attacks their belief.

Why does ?Christians? have a difficult, if not impossible task of converting someone to Christianity? Whereas, people are leaving Christianity and converting to Islam, Bahai?s, and other religious groups.
 
Dr H.. said:
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[5:72] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers.
If a person read the Koran, they will find that Mohammed charged his followers to believe in Jesus and the divine revelation God gave to Him [Jesus] and the apostles and cautioned them that a failure or refusal to believe God?s word mean that your are lost
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Dr. H,

You statement appers juxtaposed with the passage cited. What am I missing here? Did Mohammed charge is his followers to believe in Jesus as Messiah or just that he was a prophet? If Messiah, then are Mohammed and his follower pagan in terms of the Koran? Are they then comfortable being lost in terms of your statement?

Maybe I am confused. He'p me.
 
:topic: but interesting article.

In Kabul, a Test for Shariah
By ANDREA ELLIOTT
THE news that a man in Afghanistan might face a death sentence for converting to Christianity brought cries of outrage around the world last week.
In Washington, the matter of Abdul Rahman commanded attention at the highest levels. President Bush said he was "deeply troubled." Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Afghanistan's President, Hamid Karzai, to urge a "favorable resolution," her spokesman said. In Kabul, the judge in the case said he would resist interference.
More quietly, the case struck a chord among Muslim scholars in the West who have been immersed in a debate about the adaptability of Shariah, or Islamic law, to the modern era.
Mr. Rahman, 41, stands accused of apostasy, or ridda, the act of renouncing one's faith. Apostasy is a grave sin in Islam, and according to classical Shariah, it warrants a punishment of execution. But Islamic laws, including those governing the treatment of apostates, were developed as early as the eighth century against a vastly different political and social backdrop.
Progressive Muslim scholars argue that the meaning of those laws has been lost over time: When the laws were created, they say, apostasy was seen as the equivalent of treason. "To be a Muslim was to live in an Islamic state or empire, so the presumption was you were not only becoming the enemy of God but the enemy of the empire," said John L. Esposito, a professor of religion and international affairs at Georgetown University.
Muslim jurists who support the execution of apostates often point to a hadith ? a tradition attributed to the Prophet Muhammad in the seventh century ? in which he is recorded as saying that a person who changes religions should be killed.
But while the Koran mentions ridda, it never calls for the execution of apostates. There is no record of the prophet killing an apostate himself. And executions of apostates have been rare in Islamic history.
"The common argument is that it clearly contradicts the Koran, which says there should not be compulsion in religion," said Khaled Abou El Fadl, an Islamic law expert and professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.
What complicates the debate is that Islam has no central doctrinal authority, no Vatican to issue an ultimate decree. And while Shariah is the product of human interpretation, it is also seen as divine law, which prompts many Muslims to argue against change.

Complete article: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/26/w...&en=a344ac0cf197c3e8&ei=5094&partner=homepage
 
Will anyone answer my questions concerning the Jews, Mormons, Jehovah Witness, Catholics and others, as it relates to their denial of Christ as the Savior? In fact the Catholics are the worst of the bunch. However, will ?So Called? Christians continue to attack only the Muslims / Islam?
 
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