If you (I-A) are going to use the kids, you should at least educate them!!!!


Panther88

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Look @ this. The bottom line is "win @ all costs." Kids AND parents that settle for BS like this make me sick to my stomach. :mad:

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COLLEGE STATION -- With a former director of the CIA soon to be named president of Texas A&M University, Aggies football lovers probably have a few suggestions regarding where Robert Gates can be most effective.

Who better to lead clandestine operations aimed at Austin's football subculture than Double-O Aggie?

Who better to establish puppet regimes across the Big 12, chip away at commands with inside operatives, and ultimately overthrow the league and return A&M to the top of the heap?

Gates, the sole finalist to replace outgoing A&M president Ray Bowen, has more important things to consider than athletics.

As he outlined in an information-gathering visit here that ended Wednesday, Gates' charge is to "preserve and strengthen ... our academic standing and programs."

Indeed, leading such a powerfully large university requires dealing with faculty issues, growth, diversity, development, entrance standards and the "Vision 2020" plan, the goal of which is to raise other departments' stature to that of Texas A&M's science, engineering and business schools.

But at some point there will come a knock on Gates' door.

It will be the movers and shakers, the donors, the many Aggies athletics fans who collectively believe their voices were not heard by Bowen.

Then, Gates will come face-to-face with a pair of athletics-related issues that might not seem all that significant in the grand scheme but realistically could make or break his tenure as president:

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1) Leveling the playing field in recruiting by adding general studies curriculums, like those at even the most revered academic institutions -- Duke, Notre Dame, Stanford and, yes, rival Texas.
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2) Reviving Bonfire.

The general studies issue is one that has affected A&M football and basketball recruiting for much of the past decade. As A&M's academic standards and competition within colleges has grown tougher, the number of places where many athletes can pursue degrees has shrunk.

For example, with so much competition for business degrees from A&M, any students hoping to enter the school's business program with less than a 3.25 grade-point average probably need not apply.

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At a place where up to 19,000 high schoolers annually apply for maybe 6,500 acceptance letters, athletes and minorities generally make up the highest percentage of students accepted with qualifications closer to minimum standards. As a result, many athletes and minorities have few options in pursuing degrees.
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"It's not on the front end where there's a problem," said one Dallas-area former student hoping Gates understands the Aggies' rub. "The NCAA has pretty standard admission requirements for everyone. It's on the back door, so to speak. Once a kid gets in, where's he going to study?"

All but two Big 12 universities -- A&M and Oklahoma State -- have developed general studies degree programs of some sort. Other major athletics powers with quality academic reputations -- Michigan, North Carolina, Arizona and Virginia -- also have some type of general studies program.

These degree programs might go by names such as "Interdisciplinary Core," "Integrated Studies," "University Studies" or "Community Studies," but all offer basically the same core-curriculum degree. It is a product of skyrocketing university enrollments nationwide and the need for students meeting minimum entrance requirements to have degree plans.

At Texas, the 2002 spring football media guide lists no fewer than 30 players as liberal arts majors, which is not to disparage the degree path. Quite the contrary.

Such degree programs mean athletes can become "student-athletes" instead of fodder for the "dumb jock" reputation.

One recent study estimated that barely 40 percent of Division I-A athletes graduated in the top quarter of their high school classes. But nearly 90 percent of the students accepted into A&M last fall finished in the top quarter. Some 60 percent finished in the top 10 percent.

To their credit, the UT administration and countless others have offered athletes a place to pursue degrees without starting out behind the curve or compromising the integrity of the university.

The A&M football and basketball programs, on the other hand, have been pummeled with negative recruiting, because about the only place students meeting minimum standards currently can pursue degrees is the agricultural college.

One Big 12 football recruiter has a favorite line he tells recruits whenever they commit to the Aggies, according to one A&M athletics department source.

"He goes in there and tells the kid, `Oh, you've decided to go gut chickens? That's where they're going to put you -- gutting chickens,' " the source said. "It's amazing we've done as well recruiting as we have. And it's just amazing how a general studies program could fix several problems on campus, not just for athletes, but minorities and transfers."

It is an issue that might not be on the front burner for the incoming president. But it is one that clearly means as much to Aggies fans as rekindling Bonfire.

Sources interviewed Tuesday said the general studies and Bonfire issues were exactly why Sen. Phil Gramm's candidacy for the job was so heartily supported by the 12th Man Foundation and Association of Former Students.

Gramm is an Aggie, through and through. He understands the importance of academics and athletics. Gramm often can be seen at A&M football games, yet he is a former economics professor at the school.

Many powerful Aggies say Bowen never understood or listened to their concerns. Already, Gates has gone a long way toward impressing those with financial stroke at A&M, mentioning the importance of athletics in his first news conference and joining the 12th Man Foundation his first day on campus.

There might be a lot of issues Gates hopes to tackle, but if he wants to endear himself to the A&M family, only two stand above all others.

Put a general studies program in place. And put a match to Bonfire.
 
I copied this email and forwarded it to two Aggies I work with and they didn't believe me when I first mentioned it so I had to physically show them. If only you could have seen the dumbfounded look on their faces.

When is enough enough?

There's this female track athlete at LSU right now who has the world's fastest time in the 200 meter dash and she used to train on Texas Southern's track everyday while in high school but she ends up at LSU majoring in "Undecided".

Some of you might say she can go on to become a world class runner and make millions so her major doesn't matter but what about the other athletes at LSU, Tennessee, UT, Texas A&M, etc... that won't be world class athletes? What will they do with a "General Studies" degree (if they receive one)?

I'm not saying we (HBCUs) are perfect, but at Texas Southern, there is no "General Studies" degree? Why? Because the state of Texas won't allow us to have one. Actually, I'm glad we don't have that degree plan as it would only hurt us in the long run. Everything in this world goes in cycles.

What's done in the dark will come to light!!!
 



Well I know that Alcorn does that as well... I had a lot of friends from Vicksburg that graduated from Alcorn in general studies..maybe it has changed but Why waste 4 years????? I just don't understand.
 
Panthro thanks for the thread. This is a good one.

There have been some complaints that the administration has been too strict when it came to the admission standards. For instance I do not think that A&M takes too many partial (prop 48) qualifiers. I think that they have some of the tougher admissions for athletes in the Big 12 next to Baylor.

Anyway, I found the article amusing. Excuse me for doing so. If you want to talk about Aggies. Few are a bigger Aggie than Bowen, who graduated from A&M twice before Phil Gramm became a professor. Bowen has a bachelors and doctorate in mechanical engineering from A&M and (to my knowledge) was a part of the Corps of Cadets.

I will put it this way. I will bet that Bowen is at more A&M functions than Hines is at PV functions.:rolleyes:

To my knowledge PV does not have general studies.
 
I had to return after meditating on this one.

It's not for me to judge one way or another, but, the handwriting is on the wall. I'm not even faulting the a&m alumni for pushing to acquire the "genr'l studies" degree so that more Negroes, I mean, athletic students can be elgible longer to help run that ball, jump, hit, or whatever they tend to do. I'd want that too if my emphasis was on winning @ all costs regardless of how we get the victory (who we use). I'd rather PV continue to lose and make scholars of men and women rather than win @ all costs. I'm really sick and tired of meeting these 3-4 year football/basketball guys from I-A schools who are 30-40 hours from a BS degree and drive a fork lift or sack groceries @ the local Albertson's to make a living. Feel me? That makes me sick to my stomach because it (the cycle) is being continued to this very day. When reality hits, it's almost too late and they don't have the drive or determination to txfer hours to complete the degree plan elsewhere.

I find fault in <b>parents and kids</b> who should know better. I guess some people raise athletes or athletic students. I'm doing my best to raise scholars. If these same scholars decide that they want to be athletic, so be it. I see the bigger picture. Negroes are so easily led. :smh:
 
Panthro:

I feel you on the outrage. Not just at Texas A&M, but at all of the schools that are making victims of these kids and perpetuating this cycle. And yeah, I blame the parents and their kids, too. This is 2002, the info is out there. If these parents don't know the deal by now, its their own fault.

To say that athletes can use general studies as an out because of the potential millions they can make as pros don't hold water with me. Most athletes don't make it to the pros; very few do. This approach further perpetuates the problem because kids coming behind them see that mess and figure that they don't have to study and can "get over too" until they get their chance to make the "big bucks" at the next level.

Athletes can impact those who look up to them by getting their degrees, regardless of whether they make the pros or not. Kids have a much better chance of "being like Mike" the college graduate than they do of "being like Mike" the basketball legend.

I hope Tiger Woods reads this.

Regards.
 
What can one do with a general studies degree, if one actually gets one??? A lot of these kids and their families are hoping and praying that they hit it big. Some of the stuff they say about education is lip service.

CLeb,

I don't know if "undecided" is a bad thing. For my first two years I was officially "undecided" at JSU. It wasn't until the semester before my Junior year did I have to declare my major, accounting. But I was already taking the courses under the accounting curriculum, as if I was already an accounting major.
 
Originally posted by Panthro

I find fault in <b>parents and kids</b> who should know better.

I agree with you on this one. If parents and kids valued education more, there would be no need for a General Studies degree at ANY college.

We can't blame TAMU(or any other school) for this one. How do we expect TAMU to teach these kids Computer Science, Engineering, etc. when they have not prepared for it their entire life.

Some of our kids (usually the ones seeking GS degress) are simply not ready for college academics.
 
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