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JR you speak the truth I will admit, but so do I. Kobe is the main reason why his team is in the runnings for a 4th ring in 8 years. Without Kobe the Lakers wont make it out of the West with just Gasol and Odem.
 



shawiggi said:
Rip is a potent 2 guard but he will never ever. be Kobe. Man you guys hate reaches new heights each day.

History is still being written for Kobe and the Lakers. Shaq boasting lieing arse is at home. Shaq has been lieing and letting Kobe hang out to dry for years.
Shaq knew Kobe didn't run him out of LA but he allowed that ish to go on for 3 years. Then h is bloated ego is alive and well. Even though he had three of the most dominant guards on his teams. Penny,Kobe and D Wade. No dominant guard. Early exit from the playoffs.
Shaq is a big fake who craves attention and wants everyobody to kiss his arse. Kobe was never that guy so you all took shaq side. Even though Kobe plays through injury, changed his game 3 years ago and his team let him down, and shows up to play each night. Shaq on the other hand has not played an entire season in the last 7 years. He fakes injuries all the time and reports to camp fat.

Shaq was the reason the Lakers broke up. He wanted more money and Jerry Buss was not going. No way to keep Shaq and Kobe and afford any decent role players. All of the Lakers Role players were washed up with the expetion of Robert Horry and Fisher. No way could the Lakers compete with the team and Shaq's bloated contract.

Hate on Kobe all you want but he has a young team that will only get better in the next three to four years..
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Come on man........what player doesn't want money. The reason the Lakers went with Kobe because he was younger. If Shaq was the younger of the two and Kobe wanted more money.......they would have moved Kobe. And it wasn't Shaq who did this to Kobe. Kobe finally figured it out that the Lakers played him against Shaq. Probably told Shaq the same isht too. They did it so they didn't look like the bad guy and let Kobe take the fall for it. Even Shaq has admitted that they both got played by Mitch Kupchak and Laker front office. So it wasn't on Shaq......... Why do you think Kobe finally got mad with the Lakers front office. They lied to him. Boosted his self-serving ego with no plan to help him out. They knew as long as they had a young dynamic superstar in Kobe that they could sell seats. What they didn't anticipate was being that bad where they couldn't win a first round playoff series. Surely with Kobe they could maintain some competativeness. So if you want to blame someone for all the Lakers problems and bad Kobe PR.......blame the Lakers management. They did this crap. Hell and even had Phil tripping to the point he quit too.
 
JR said:
Dude..............if the Lakers didn't have Shaq back then, it would have been no clutch free throws to be made.........hell Bobby Jones made clutch free throws for the Sixers to win sometimes. So did Danny Ainge or others on the Celtics.........but it was Bird that got them there. I am sure McHale, Parrish and Dennis Johnson all won games in the playoffs for the Celtics. But again it was Bird that carried them for the most part. Same can be said if it wasn't for Kenny Smith's 3 pointers against Utah and then Orlando.......the Rockets would have lost pivotal games in the playoffs. But we all know Olajuwon was the reason they were there in the first place. Why can't you cats accept that Shaq was dominant back then and he carried the Lakers. Hell even Robert Horry saved the Lakers arse once or twice. So did D.Fisher. Don't act like Kobe was the main reason for the Lakers success. Everything ran through the Diesel. Nobody disputes he didn't have help. But he was the main cog that made the Lakers what they were doing that run. Same as it is for the Spurs with Tim Duncan. Ginobli and Parker may win some key playoff games for the Spurs.......but the big Fundamental is the main reason for the Spurs success.
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I disagree. Parker and Ginobli help the big Fundamentals. They spread the floor. Parker is lightning quik and can take just about every guard off the dribble. Ginobli walks his way to the basket. All Timmy has to do is beat his man ONe on One. And Tim is way better than Shaq. He actually has all the moves. Drop steps, bank shots, a jump shot and he can make free throws and paly defense. I called that when he was drafted. Told all my boys he would be better than Camby and I'm still laughing at that.

Without Kobe or Shaq the Lakers would be less three titles. Kobe was a double team and thriple team then and still is. And shaq was the biggest thing down low.
The Spurs and pistons proved that all you had to do was let shaq dominate and stop Kobe and you stop the Lakers. Shaw can have 50 but hold kobe to nothing and you win.
 
You guys have to remember in 2000 the Laker's were a quarter away from being out of the playoffs against the Blazers. In 01 they won in convincing fashion. In 02 Horry bailed them out against the Kings.
 
GoodFella said:
You guys have to remember in 2000 the Laker's were a quarter away from being out of the playoffs against the Blazers. In 01 they won in convincing fashion. In 02 Horry bailed them out against the Kings.
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Before that, they were swept by the Utah Jazz and Greg Ostertag...
 
jag4life said:
No, because the Lakers were not goign to pay them. Fisher went to GS, Shaw stayed on as a coach, Harper was old, Fox was tired, and Horry made the smartest move by going to the Spurs.
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This is correct. Fisher knew that he made a mistake when he left. Hell he admitted that in a interview that he wanted to stay a Laker. The Lakers were really trying to get rid of Medvedinko, George, Walker, and Fox.
 
shawiggi said:
I disagree. Parker and Ginobli help the big Fundamentals. They spread the floor. Parker is lightning quik and can take just about every guard off the dribble. Ginobli walks his way to the basket. All Timmy has to do is beat his man ONe on One. And Tim is way better than Shaq. He actually has all the moves. Drop steps, bank shots, a jump shot and he can make free throws and paly defense. I called that when he was drafted. Told all my boys he would be better than Camby and I'm still laughing at that.

Without Kobe or Shaq the Lakers would be less three titles. Kobe was a double team and thriple team then and still is. And shaq was the biggest thing down low.
The Spurs and pistons proved that all you had to do was let shaq dominate and stop Kobe and you stop the Lakers. Shaw can have 50 but hold kobe to nothing and you win.
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Not quite. Shaq was the reason that Fisher, Horry and Kobe got open looks. He demanded a double team practically every play during the 2000 to 2004 seasons. No one doubled Kobe then.....
 
GoodFella said:
JR you speak the truth I will admit, but so do I. Kobe is the main reason why his team is in the runnings for a 4th ring in 8 years. Without Kobe the Lakers wont make it out of the West with just Gasol and Odem.
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Don't get me wrong..........it is Kobe's team now.....and he has better help. Although I always thought he could have done a better job helping them young guys out. He seemed to do that THIS year. So yeah it is Kobe and the boys now. What I am arguing with Get Ready is his blatant hate on Shaq when his Lakers were winning. Not admitting that it was Diesel as the first option.......then Kobe. It was Shaq's team. Now sure it is Kobe's team these days. It has been his team every since Shaq left. No argument there. That is why he took so much grief. Even with Shaq in Miami.....he said right away that this D-Wade's team and I here to help. Shaq knew his skills were not the same anymore. He was the second guy now. He would have been had he stayed in LA. The Lakers front office didn't want to pay him so they went with the younger star which is what most sports franchises do. The way they did it was not cool.......lied to both Shaq and Kobe. Played on the fact they did not get along so they would not look like the bad guys for shipping a popular Shaq away. You Laker fans who live outside of LA have to understand just how popular Shaq was there. Kobe still has haters that are Laker fans there. Hell my girl is one of them. Die Hard Laker fan. Can't stand Kobe.
 
Dr. Phreeze said:
Because they knew they weren't going to win with the man.
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Man the Lakers were going to get rid of them anyway. Horry was missing shots in the last playoff, fisher had fell off, Harper was washed up. Fox and D Shaw were done. The Lakers were gone clean house even if they wanted to stay.

No Dwade and Kobe no titles for Shaq and vise versa.No Dwade and shaq looks average and he quits on the team. Then he goes to phoenix and looks bad. All teams have role players but Kobe has never been a role player.Shaw hated that Kobe was so arrogant and cofident. He hated the kid from day one and he wanted everyone else to hate him. Only the Rebublican one sided mind folks can't see that.

They both had faults but Kobe was trying to put that ish to rest. Shaq was not.
 



JR said:
You Laker fans who live outside of LA have to understand just how popular Shaq was there. Kobe still has haters that are Laker fans there. Hell my girl is one of them. Die Hard Laker fan. Can't stand Kobe.
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I was in L.A. in 2002 during the run where they beat the Kings in 7 and the Nets. I think it was about equal Kobe and Shaq hype back then. Horry was 3rd.
 
shawiggi said:
I disagree. Parker and Ginobli help the big Fundamentals. They spread the floor. Parker is lightning quik and can take just about every guard off the dribble. Ginobli walks his way to the basket. All Timmy has to do is beat his man ONe on One. And Tim is way better than Shaq. He actually has all the moves. Drop steps, bank shots, a jump shot and he can make free throws and paly defense. I called that when he was drafted. Told all my boys he would be better than Camby and I'm still laughing at that.

Without Kobe or Shaq the Lakers would be less three titles. Kobe was a double team and thriple team then and still is. And shaq was the biggest thing down low.
The Spurs and pistons proved that all you had to do was let shaq dominate and stop Kobe and you stop the Lakers. Shaw can have 50 but hold kobe to nothing and you win.
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You do realize Tim Duncan had a ring before Parker of Ginobli.........also you do realize with no Tim Duncan...........Parker and Ginobli would have a hard time. Tim Duncan can play with a decent point and a decent 2 guard and still be Tim Duncan. If anything, having a big man with the skills of Duncan has helped the development of those 2. Not to mention the execellent coaching of Popovich. The Spurs are just the best organization in basketball from top to bottom.
 
GoodFella said:
I dont care what anyone says. Horry was the reason they won in 02.
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Against Portland and Sacramento definitely. He hit the series winner against Portland (even though it was not a game 5), and hit the series saver in game 4 against Sacramento. Without that we are down 3-1 going back to Sacramento.
 
UAPB '97 said:
Not quite. Shaq was the reason that Fisher, Horry and Kobe got open looks. He demanded a double team practically every play during the 2000 to 2004 seasons. No one doubled Kobe then.....
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Yes he was. do the math. Double Shaq and Kobe and the other three guys were left wide open.

Same with Mike and Scottie
Shaq and D wade
Penny and Shaq.

Stop it man. I watched every game. I remember when Kobe was passing his arse off in the one you guys blamed on Kobe. Shaq was hot and Kobe was hitting people wide open and they were missing shots. Horry,Fisher, all them guys were missing shots. Kobe had to tone down his game and then the team let him down. Shaq couldn;t do a dayum thing but dunk and miss freethrows.
 
jag4life said:
I was in L.A. in 2002 during the run where they beat the Kings in 7 and the Nets. I think it was about equal Kobe and Shaq hype back then. Horry was 3rd.
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You know exactly what I mean. Shaq was always in the community, hanging with LA/Hollywood scene. Kobe was considered stand offish by alot of LA folks. Seriously. Folks tend to gravitate to Shaq's personality. Kobe never had that. He is actually acting more laid back than he ever has.
 
JR said:
You know exactly what I mean. Shaq was always in the community, hanging with LA/Hollywood scene. Kobe was considered stand offish by alot of LA folks. Seriously. Folks tend to gravitate to Shaq's personality. Kobe never had that. He is actually acting more laid back than he ever has.
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You're right about that. Kobe was not in the community at all back then. Shaq has always had a great public personality.
 
shawiggi said:
Yes he was. do the math. Double Shaq and Kobe and the other three guys were left wide open.

Same with Mike and Scottie
Shaq and D wade
Penny and Shaq.

Stop it man. I watched every game. I remember when Kobe was passing his arse off in the one you guys blamed on Kobe. Shaq was hot and Kobe was hitting people wide open and they were missing shots. Horry,Fisher, all them guys were missing shots. Kobe had to tone down his game and then the team let him down. Shaq couldn;t do a dayum thing but dunk and miss freethrows.
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Actually, it was double Shaq in the post when he catches it and run at everyone else. No one doubles 2 guys......
 
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