I hate the spread offense!


Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
I'm sorry, I had to get that off my chest. I just think it is a gimmick, just like what Cooley was doing lining up all them receivers to one side and etc. Like I said, to me it's just a gimmick system, and a system that really doesn't allow growth, or provide the quarterback with the opportunity to really read a defense.
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question... if you are a college coach are you coaching to win games or to develop NFL talent?
 



Southern runs the fast break no-huddle offense silimar to Florida State.. I believe Spread offense has save career of Gary Pinkel at Mizzou and Ron Zook of Florida.. Then again, there's nothing wrong with running pro-spread offense like Bobby Paterno did at Louisville..
 
Lewis said:
The spread just takes advantage of different talent. Instead of who is the biggest and strongest in conventional (smashmouth) football, the spread takes advantage of speed and agility. Just like basketball, at one time if you had a 7 footer that could play, that was a wrap. But they put that 3 point line out there and gave them small guys with skills a chance to compete. Now there are some that don't call shooting 3's good basketball, but if you are 5' 10'' you stupid as hell trying to play post up ball.

Same with football, i got 5 real good, fast recievers and a QB that can run ...........
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Or, I've got 2 real good running backs and a suck azz QB, so I decide to play my best RB as my QB and leave my other RB in the backfield (McFadden and F. Jones) and now you have to worry about both running backs and the 7 yard passes. This is what allowed McFadden to be the Heisman runner-up two years in a row.

DID YOU KNOW! That the offensive coordinator for Arkansas that put McFadden in that offense who left Arkansas for Tulsa now has Tulsa running the spread and they have the #1 offense in the nation.
 
Da_Sperm said:
Or, I've got 2 real good running backs and a suck azz QB, so I decide to play my best RB as my QB and leave my other RB in the backfield (McFadden and F. Jones) and now you have to worry about both running backs and the 7 yard passes. This is what allowed McFadden to be the Heisman runner-up two years in a row.

DID YOU KNOW! That the offensive coordinator for Arkansas that put McFadden in that offense who left Arkansas for Tulsa now has Tulsa running the spread and they have the #1 offense in the nation.
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speaking of Akansas.... Do you think Mitch Mustain regrets leaving? I dont think he will ever see significant playing time at USC.
 
DAHILL said:
speaking of Akansas.... Do you think Mitch Mustain regrets leaving? I dont think he will ever see significant playing time at USC.
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it don't even matter, because coming from USC looks better on your resume anyway. Terrell Davis was never a starter at Georgia, but was still drafted and had a great career before injuries cut it short.
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
it don't even matter, because coming from USC looks better on your resume anyway. Terrell Davis was never a starter at Georgia, but was still drafted and had a great career before injuries cut it short.
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thats some bull****....if a white person said that about going to a D1 school over the SWAC you would say he was racist.
 
DAHILL said:
speaking of Akansas.... Do you think Mitch Mustain regrets leaving? I dont think he will ever see significant playing time at USC.
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I think the QB who was a backup his entire college career at USC will start for the NE Patriots this Sunday. This guy hasn't been a starter since he played in high school. I doubt he regrets it, he is 2nd on the depth chart. I know the receiver isn't regretting it, he is balling out there.

I guess the question to ask is, when was the last time a QB from Arkansas was drafted in the NFL to be a QB, Frank Tarkenton? I guess it is better to be a backup QB at USC than a starting QB at Arkansas.
 
DAHILL said:
thats some bull****....if a white person said that about going to a D1 school over the SWAC you would say he was racist.
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how is that racist? you know from the jump that if you have Player A that went to USC and Player B that went to AAMU, who do you think gone get picked first?????? Let's just be honest now.
 
Da_Sperm said:
I think the QB who was a backup his entire college career at USC will start for the NE Patriots this Sunday. This guy hasn't been a starter since he played in high school. I doubt he regrets it, he is 2nd on the depth chart. I know the receiver isn't regretting it, he is balling out there.

I guess the question to ask is, when was the last time a QB from Arkansas was drafted in the NFL to be a QB, Frank Tarkenton? I guess it is better to be a backup QB at USC than a starting QB at Arkansas.
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I think Fran Tarkenton went to Georgia. I believe Arkansas had a dude (before Matt Jones) who was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. I can't remember his name...I believe this was the season that Tenn beat them in the SEC champ game prior to winning the Nat'l Champ.
 
MikeBigg said:
I think Fran Tarkenton went to Georgia. I believe Arkansas had a dude (before Matt Jones) who was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. I can't remember his name...I believe this was the season that Tenn beat them in the SEC champ game prior to winning the Nat'l Champ.
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You talking about sad ass Clint Stoerner, and he wasn't drafted. I believe he was picked up via free agency.
 
Tirgger: I don't have problem with running varations of the spread along with pro-sytle offense silimar to USC Trojans, South Carolina Gamecocks, Louisanna Tech, LSU, FSU and New England Patriots... If I was offensive coordinator, my offense would probably be mixed of Fun-n-Gun with Mike Martz system...
 
MikeBigg said:
I think Fran Tarkenton went to Georgia. I believe Arkansas had a dude (before Matt Jones) who was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. I can't remember his name...I believe this was the season that Tenn beat them in the SEC champ game prior to winning the Nat'l Champ.
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You are right, I have the wrong name. There was a QB I think for the Vikings that was good in the NFL and a graduate of Arkansas back in the day. He later returned to Arkansas as the QB coach in the late 90s.

Clint was a undrafted free agent that JJ picked up. He is the only person who had one NFL start that include 3 passing touchdowns in the first quarter and 4 ints in the 2nd (LOL!). That was a game against the NY Gaints I think.
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
I'm coaching to win games, and since I hate the spread, I would go with a pro-style offense.
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A lot of that should be determined by what kind of athletes you can get. One reason I agree with our offense at Southern is because that's what we can recruit around here. There are not a lot of top quality linemen to play smashmouth football here, and there are a lot of schools competing for them. However, there are lots of small to mid-sized players in this area that are fast as hell and can catch. Even if you let every other school get who they wanted, it is still enough of them left for you to have a good recieving corp to run that offense.

You can even go look a LSU's roster, look an the linemen, particualy offensive linemen, over half are from out of state.


When is the last time Southern didn't have a fast, deep recieving group. IMHO, in the 80's we tried to play to much smachmouth football and didn't have the athletes for that. We have always been fast. Casim was good for that, use the speed to get ahead, they he would line up in that damn I and try to run the other team over, and they would come back and win.
 



HBCUs said:
I also think that was a horrible decision. Auburn will lose it's identity (and quite a few recruits) running that soft azz spread. Auburn's O-line will get progressively weaker as it gets more entrenched in the spread. They can kiss the redzone goodbye.

Power programs don't have to run an exclusive spread to be successful. Like someone said earlier, it's more useful as somewhat of an equalizer for the T. Techs of the world.

USC beats the brakes off people with conventional pro-style sets. No fluff, all execution. And it's players are guaranteed to have a clue on the next level.
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No system is a guarantee to produce successful players on the pro level. Just look at USC, the Pete Carroll era has produced far more busts than breakout players in the NFL as far as offense is concerned. They beat the brakes off people because they accumulate more talent than everyone else, the same way Nebraska did in the 90s running the option, or the way Spurrier's Fun n Gun offense did later in the decade.
 
mvsu36 said:
I only like it, if you have the personnel to run it( quarterback, receivers, offensive line, and running backs)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You usually have to have those positions to run any offense. At least thats what I always thought.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
No system is a guarantee to produce successful players on the pro level. Just look at USC, the Pete Carroll era has produced far more busts than breakout players in the NFL as far as offense is concerned. They beat the brakes off people because they accumulate more talent than everyone else, the same way Nebraska did in the 90s running the option, or the way Spurrier's Fun n Gun offense did later in the decade.
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USC also has much better than average coaching. USC is not head and shoulders more talented than half of the SEC.... but they shole beat the hell out of SEC teams that weren't lacking in talent. Carroll has consistently hired pro-caliber assistants.

Nebraska and Florida were also very well coached during their hey-days time. Osborne was Osborne, and Florida had Spurrier and the Stoops boys during their best years.
 
The spread offense has been very successful for programs i.e. Rice, Wake forrest, Cinncy, Texas Tech, Troy and programs in FCS, Division II, and Division III.. I believe you win more games by running the football like Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots...
 
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