I hate the spread offense!


Devil's Gun Trigger Man

Devil's Gun Trigger Man

onward and upward son!
I'm sorry, I had to get that off my chest. I just think it is a gimmick, just like what Cooley was doing lining up all them receivers to one side and etc. Like I said, to me it's just a gimmick system, and a system that really doesn't allow growth, or provide the quarterback with the opportunity to really read a defense.
 
I only like it, if you have the personnel to run it( quarterback, receivers, offensive line, and running backs)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 



Well, it is here to stay. It is the best thing for the black QB, since it utilizes there athletic ability and doesn't force them to much PRE-SNAP reads. It sort of brings back the OPTION style of play, which allowed for more black QBs in college.
 
Da_Sperm said:
Well, it is here to stay. It is the best thing for the black QB, since it utilizes there athletic ability and doesn't force them to much PRE-SNAP reads. It sort of brings back the OPTION style of play, which allowed for more black QBs in college.
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Sperm,

It's all fine and dandy in college, but what about the NFL. How will they perform? You have to read and make certain adjustments during pre snap. You see what is happening to Alex Smith and Chris Leak. I bet you that Tim Tebow will suck once he get into the league.
 
Dr. Phreeze said:
It's all fine and dandy in college, but what about the NFL. How will they perform? You have to read and make certain adjustments during pre snap. You see what is happening to Alex Smith and Chris Leak. I bet you that Tim Tebow will suck once he get into the league.
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First of all ALL FLORIDA QBs SUCK IN THE NFL. :lol:

But back to the point, I agree with Dr. Phreeze 100%. Although I'm sure that Da_Sperm didn't mean it that way, but to say that not having to make reads is good for black QBs is a little bit insulting, and implies that they aren't intelligent enough to run a pro-style offense.

Oh by the way, Bama State is running the spread too, and although I support my HORNETS 100%, I must say that I don't particularly care for the spread offense either.
 
The spread offense or option has proven to be successful in college football.

The whole point of it is spread out the defense to have them cover more ground which creates mismatches.

If you watched Illinois-Missouri those defense had no chance trying to contain the offense. This offense is just part of the evolution of college football.

Back in the day teams rarely threw the ball. Teams ran the option. Then it was two and three receivers. Then the run and shoot. The pro style offense and now the spread offense. These offenses have evolved because the athletes on both side of the ball are better and can do more things.
 
Dr. Phreeze said:
Sperm,

It's all fine and dandy in college, but what about the NFL. How will they perform? You have to read and make certain adjustments during pre snap. You see what is happening to Alex Smith and Chris Leak. I bet you that Tim Tebow will suck once he get into the league.
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But the true purpose of a college program isn't to prepare players for the NFL, it's to win college football games. Besides, Chris Leak wasn't ever considered a great pro prospect and Smith was just plain overrated. Still, what the spread does is mask some of the deficiencies alot of athetic QBs have, such as weaknesses reading defenses or overall passing ability. It makes limited QBs look better than they actually are.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
But the true purpose of a college program isn't to prepare players for the NFL, it's to win college football games. Besides, Chris Leak wasn't ever considered a great pro prospect and Smith was just plain overrated. Still, what the spread does is mask some of the deficiencies alot of athetic QBs have, such as weaknesses reading defenses or overall passing ability. It makes limited QBs look better than they actually are.
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I agree. The purpose of a college program isn't to prepare players for the NFL. There are probably 1500 college football programs in the nation, which equates to about 112,000 football players. Less than 1% will play pro football. So, it makes no sense to prepare a team of 80+ players to play pro football when the likelyhood of 1 making it to the pros is slim to none.

A couple years ago, a high school player from Cedar Hill, TX started the season out as a wide receiver. In the 4th quarter of the first game, he was moved to QB because the starting QB got injured. He went on to rush for 3K yards that season, winning the 5A State Championship and now playing at Oklahoma State. The offense allowed him to use his athletic ability, which I doubt he could do in a drop-back offense, especially moving from receiver to QB. Cole is his name. The boy was the baddest football player in the state of Texas a couple years ago.
 
I hate the spread as well. Over time I think it makes your offense soft. The moment you play a team with real speed on defense... curtains.

But it is what it is in college ball.
 
Tim Tebow will be a great tight end in the NFL! But i cant see him playing QB in the league and the spread is the new thing for right now! Thats jus like us (JSU) last year we had the athletes to run the spread and but now we cant even get receivers to catch a cold! So it doesnt work as good!

The spread only works if u have the athletes and a effecient qb to run the system (u dont need a great qb jus one who can run or drop back and get the ball to the receivers)!
 
Initially, I didn't like it because my early exposure to it was teams one dimensional one way or another (West Virginia run or Texas Tech pass). But after watching teams use it in a more balanced way, it has won me over.
It has a lot of versatility and can allow you to rotate multiple playmakers into the game. LSU proved that it can be a smash mouth offense ---it's dependent on the personnel used and how utilized. The Spread offense at LSU got Jason Hester drafted... in the conventional offense, he would have been an free agent at best. Anyway, what I was trying to get to is a response to the comment that it can make your defense soft due to lack of contact in practice. That depends on the head coach and the offensive coordinator. Running a balance spread offense that has speed packages, power packages, combinations, variations, etc of the same basic plays makes a defense have to improve to compete. LSU (dayum I hate having to reference them so much) runs the spread and that defense is arguably the best in the nation. They definitely aren't soft!
 
Devil: I hate spread shotgun offense and option offense as well.. But Cooley was running the Run-n-Shoot offense during his stint as head football coach at MVSU.. I believe hbcu's and other schools could quarterbacks better by running either west coast offense or pro-style offense....

Dr. Pheeze: Chris Leak played in pro-style offense under Zook.. Leak 's problem wasn't his arm or speed, it was his height... Let's not forget scouts and general managers are more impress with height than victories...

USC Trojans is having success by running West Coast Offense.. Heck, Georgia Bulldogs, Lousianna State, Iowa and Ohio State are running offense silimar to New England Patroits and Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Spread shotgun offense lack's a consistent running game...
 
BlackCaesar2k5 said:
Devil: I hate spread shotgun offense and option offense as well.. But Cooley was running the Run-n-Shoot offense during his stint as head football coach at MVSU.. I believe hbcu's and other schools could quarterbacks better by running either west coast offense or pro-style offense....

Dr. Pheeze: Chris Leak played in pro-style offense under Zook.. Leak 's problem wasn't his arm or speed, it was his height... Let's not forget scouts and general managers are more impress with height than victories...

USC Trojans is having success by running West Coast Offense.. Heck, Georgia Bulldogs, Lousianna State, Iowa and Ohio State are running offense silimar to New England Patroits and Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Spread shotgun offense lack's a consistent running game...
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Did Leak play for Meyer for two seasons?
 
You know its just one of those things you have to adjust to. Today, the spread offense is the offense that seems to work on both the high school and college level. Southlake Carrol is living proof that you don't need remarkable athletes, if they are average, but discipline athletes, to be successful.

It is an offense that gives you a chance against a more talented defense. It is NOT SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL. Texas Tech has adopted this offense and it gives them a chance of winning every game in the Big12. West Virginia has adopted this offense, and it gives them a chance in every game in the Big East. Regular teams wouldn't have a chance against the Texas, OU, LSU, Ohio States, etc., trying to play SMASH MOUTH football.

Arkansas used a spread offense with Darren McFadden at the QB position and they were able to beat LSU twice. It is a very powerful theory, like one said, that allows a team to use it for speed, power, passing, or running.
 



I just find it funny looking at perennial smash mouth, run the football down your throat Auburn has switched to the spread. They are starting to have problems in the red zone though.
 
Sperm,

The version I'm seeing more and more prevalent (especially LSU) has a lot of smash mouth principles. Notice how Miles went with Hester and Scott (last year) and Scott this year as the "featured" back. It has some smash mouth functionalities with inside runs and off tackle trap stuff...the speed packages (sweeps, reverses, quick screens) are fringe stuff that comes off this for big plays.
 
the spread has increased the amount of kids earning scholarships - positive.....but like AAU basketball, it has inflated stats to point where teams are mis-evaluating kids left and right.

If you pass 70% of the time and the system is effective, it's easy to pass for 2,000 yards....and sometimes, a running back, can easily go over 1,000 as teams are too focused on stopping the pass...

same with wide receiver.....only way to distinguish if a kid is a college prospect is hope he has college speed or size
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
I just find it funny looking at perennial smash mouth, run the football down your throat Auburn has switched to the spread. They are starting to have problems in the red zone though.
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I also think that was a horrible decision. Auburn will lose it's identity (and quite a few recruits) running that soft azz spread. Auburn's O-line will get progressively weaker as it gets more entrenched in the spread. They can kiss the redzone goodbye.

Power programs don't have to run an exclusive spread to be successful. Like someone said earlier, it's more useful as somewhat of an equalizer for the T. Techs of the world.

USC beats the brakes off people with conventional pro-style sets. No fluff, all execution. And it's players are guaranteed to have a clue on the next level.
 
MikeBigg said:
Sperm,

The version I'm seeing more and more prevalent (especially LSU) has a lot of smash mouth principles. Notice how Miles went with Hester and Scott (last year) and Scott this year as the "featured" back. It has some smash mouth functionalities with inside runs and off tackle trap stuff...the speed packages (sweeps, reverses, quick screens) are fringe stuff that comes off this for big plays.
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I will agree with you that there are some programs that run a pretty good spread, but those teams also run conventional sets pretty well. I think LSU and a couple others preserve a physical edge on offense because they use the spread situationally rather than take the T. Tech plunge. But then again, LSU has talent out the wazoo, and decent coaching. That has to count for something.
 
HBCUs said:
I also think that was a horrible decision. Auburn will lose it's identity (and quite a few recruits) running that soft azz spread. Auburn's O-line will get progressively weaker as it gets more entrenched in the spread. They can kiss the redzone goodbye.

Power programs don't have to run an exclusive spread to be successful. Like someone said earlier, it's more useful as somewhat of an equalizer for the T. Techs of the world.

USC beats the brakes off people with conventional pro-style sets. No fluff, all execution. And it's players are guaranteed to have a clue on the next level.
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USC also has the best players in the country and will continue to until pete carrol is as decrepid as joe pa. auburn got spanked the last 2 times they played usc. they saw troy leveling the playing field with the spread and figured they'd take that offensive coordinator and try and do the same thing. given time they maybe able to take 3 & 4 star players and really compete with a usc.
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
I'm sorry, I had to get that off my chest. I just think it is a gimmick, just like what Cooley was doing lining up all them receivers to one side and etc. Like I said, to me it's just a gimmick system, and a system that really doesn't allow growth, or provide the quarterback with the opportunity to really read a defense.
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I completely agree with you on eveything but the Cooley part. Cooley's offense was not the spread.
 
FL, WV, and TX Tech have been successful running the spread. It's not the offense. It's the execution of the offense that makes it successful. It's not just a passing offense.
 
The spread just takes advantage of different talent. Instead of who is the biggest and strongest in conventional (smashmouth) football, the spread takes advantage of speed and agility. Just like basketball, at one time if you had a 7 footer that could play, that was a wrap. But they put that 3 point line out there and gave them small guys with skills a chance to compete. Now there are some that don't call shooting 3's good basketball, but if you are 5' 10'' you stupid as hell trying to play post up ball.

Same with football, i got 5 real good, fast recievers and a QB that can run ...........
 
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