Hey SU, this is what your boy Joe really thinks about you


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Joseph Schiefelbein: Maybe McNeese beat SWAC twice

By JOSEPH SCHIEFELBEIN
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Advocate sportswriter


They are two teams separated by a mere two-hour drive on Interstate 10. They are two teams who cherish their different brands of successful football.

And they are two teams which have never met -- and may never meet -- on the same stretch of green grass.

Late last week, Southern University, four-time Southwestern Athletic Conference champion in the 1990s under Pete Richardson, backed out of a two-year deal to play McNeese State, which has five Southland titles in the last 11 years.

After agreeing in principal to a two-year series and setting a date for the historic first meeting (Sept. 6, 2003, in Lake Charles), Southern officials declined to sign the contract and sent McNeese a letter saying the deal was off.

The timing looks awfully suspicious.

First, McNeese, ranked second in the latest Division I-AA poll, clocked two-time defending SWAC champion Grambling 52-20 on Aug. 31. Then, Southern lost for the third straight time to Northwestern State 30-20 on Sept. 7.

And then, less than a week after the Northwestern game, Southern begs out of the McNeese deal that's been in the works for years?

The timing makes Southern look like it's ducking the big boys, even though Richardson said Wednesday, "I don't mind being beaten."

True, Richardson, for all his success, has absorbed his share of big losses and he's a competitor.

But there can't be any coincidence that trips to the woodshed have led to series coming to a close.

Northwestern State has beaten Southern each of the last three meetings, including by 17 and 10 points, to even that series at five games apiece. And Division I-A Tulane, in a two-game contract, posted 41-7 and 37-19 blowouts on the Jaguars.

Richardson said after both games this season that Southern likely would not re-sign with either school. But since the letter eliminating McNeese, Southern Athletic Director Floyd Kerr said one of either the Tulane or Northwestern series could be extended.

Southern no longer plays Florida A&M in what was the longest running nonconference series in black-college football. Though the Jaguars won the final meeting 17-14 in overtime in 2001, FAMU (leading the series 33-24-1) had won the previous four meetings, including thumpings of 65-18 and 33-3.

Of course, to continue all those series -- No. 15 FAMU, No. 10 Northwestern and No. 2 McNeese as well as Tulane -- in addition to a nine-game conference schedule is way too much.

But ending the Florida A&M series -- even with ancillary problem issues like seating for Southern fans and film exchange -- creates a huge void in the black-college football world.

And losing out on the McNeese series is a big loss for I-AA fans across the nation, Southland and SWAC fans across the region and co-workers and friends across the state.

Plus, backing out of the series -- a meeting between some of the elite in each conference -- looks like another concession that the Southland, whose members compete for the national title, is far superior to the SWAC.

Since 1990, the Southland holds a 44-14 edge over the SWAC. And in the last three seasons the SWAC is 1-12 against the Southland. (In the only SWAC victory, Grambling rallied from a 12-0 deficit to beat Nicholls State 37-28 last season, when the Colonels finished 3-8 and Grambling 10-1.)

Southern officials claim the SWAC's move to a nine-game format for next season doomed the McNeese series. But as of late last month, McNeese was already figured in. That, along with a meeting at Nicholls, gave Southern 11 of its 12 games, for next season.

Now, Southern is looking for two nonconference games, with a season opener at Orlando, Fla., in the works as one of those.

McNeese should have been the other foe and was until a week or so ago.

Southern's letter only confirmed the obvious. All the writing was already on the McNeese scoreboard after the Grambling game: 52-20.
 



SOG,
This is what Joe really thinks about the entire SWAC. Did you not read between the lines. He was even basically saying that GSU should have never been behind in a game to 3-8 Nicholls.

So basically this article just proves what all the white and even some black sports writers think about the SWAC. Nothing more and nothing less. Joe S is an opportunistic writer. He will write the good with the bad and then write his opinion. He simply is using The Advocate for his next job. I see him working. He is way off base with this article, but again it is an opinion. Oh well. Maybe if we start beating these schools then no one would write this mess. Otherwise we will be subjected to this type of ridicule. And we can't holler about the past. If we schedule these teams we need to go out and beat them. SU is no exception. We all as a conference need to win these games.
 
JR, I totally agree with you. If you schedule them, then you DO need to beat them. But, how can you beat them, if you do not schedule them?
 
JR,

This wasn't a shot at SU bruh. I am actually on with you on this one.

Believe me, I understand. I have been debating this very issue with the McNeese folks since the news of this first came out.
 
Originally posted by SAME OLD G

Since 1990, the Southland holds a 44-14 edge over the SWAC. And in the last three seasons the SWAC is 1-12 against the Southland.

I willing to bet that most of these victories were their stonger teams against our historically poorer SWAC teams (ie., PV, MVSU, and TSU).
 
SOG,
Don't get me wrong. I wasn't thinking you were trying to take a shot at SU. LOL. I was just saying Joe is trying to slide in a couple of more shots at the SWAC with the article. I think we would have honored the verbal deal with McNeese State if the SWAC had not voted for everybody to play each other. Plus whatever this Orlando game SU is talking about playing next year sounds like it has some FAMU undertones. I think both alumni kind of heated up the phones to both prez's and ADs.

I don't mind playing McNeese, but since we know we owe Nicholls a return visit next year, that eliminates them fro coming on the schedule. Especially if we are indeed going to Orlando for this supposed 1st game. It can't be nobody else but FAMU unless it's BCC. Which I doubt. So that leaves us with 2 games left to fill in a 12 game schedule. One of which has to be a one time game, unless this Orlando game is going to be a 1 time deal. If it's with FAMU, it will be a contract longer than 1 year. So that leaves choosing from NW State or Tulane to renew a contract with.

My bet is that the Big Easy Classic will win out over the NW State game. But hell you never know. This new commish may convince the SWAC not to play 9 games and cut it back 7 or maybe 8.
 
Re: Re: Hey SU, this is what your boy Joe really thinks about you

Originally posted by SAME OLD G


I willing to bet that most of these victories were their stonger teams against our historically poorer SWAC teams (ie., PV, MVSU, and TSU).

Exactly. We have only played NW STATE and we ended the series 5-5. GSU has not really had a chance to play anybody until last year. JSU has played the Southland just a few times.


So basically the Southland has been beating up on schedule filler SWAC teams.
 
Originally posted by JR


My bet is that the Big Easy Classic will win out over the NW State game. But hell you never know. This new commish may convince the SWAC not to play 9 games and cut it back 7 or maybe 8.

If the Commish is going to do this, he needs to act fast. Actuall.y, there is no way he can do it for the 2003 schedule at this point.
 
Re: Re: Re: Hey SU, this is what your boy Joe really thinks about you

Originally posted by JR


Exactly. We have only played NW STATE and we ended the series 5-5. GSU has not really had a chance to play anybody until last year. JSU has played the Southland just a few times.


So basically the Southland has been beating up on schedule filler SWAC teams.

We were scheduled to start a 6 year series with N'Western State in 2003 but the 9 game SWAC schedule put an end to that. In 2004, we might try again because the 2003 CCC is a one year deal and I don't think we will renew with A&T ( I hope we do though).
 
This maybe going off of the subject, but I have to ask...

As I understand it, we are going back to this 9 game requirement because it will help schools like MVSU, PV, TSU and the like to help with attendance, but why should the rest of the SWAC be handcuffed with their schedules just because schools like the aformentioned can get people at their games. I understand that we are a conference, but at what point do we say "if you can't hang you got to get the hell out?"
 
Originally posted by SAME OLD G
I understand that we are a conference, but at what point do we say "if you can't hang you got to get the hell out?"
LOL!

I hear you SoGgy. And I do agree..for the first time.
 
The same question could be put another way. Why don't the teams that can benefit from not playing 9 games, get the hell out.
 
You know Sprem. Maybe we should and leave the SWAC to the bottom dwellers. Maybe we should get out and start our own conference. An elite conference with FAMU, Tuskegee, and a few other top level programs.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.......................sounds like a winner to me. :idea:
 
Originally posted by Da_Sperm
The same question could be put another way. Why don't the teams that can benefit from not playing 9 games, get the hell out.

If that were to happen, you would no longer have a conference.
 



Originally posted by Blacknbengal
You know Sprem. Maybe we should and leave the SWAC to the bottom dwellers. Maybe we should get out and start our own conference. An elite conference with FAMU, Tuskegee, and a few other top level programs.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.......................sounds like a winner to me. :idea:

I've been wondering about that for a few years now, and my thoughts on that have drifted as far as an HBCU conference in I-A. Any thoughts?
 
Originally posted by sophandros


I've been wondering about that for a few years now, and my thoughts on that have drifted as far as an HBCU conference in I-A. Any thoughts?

I mean, think about it. No more SWAC officials..No more SWAC administration problems......No more SWAC anything (negative).

Leave all those problems with UAPB, PV, Valley, and others. Im sure that they would not mind.
 
No smack intended, but if it would be a better financial decision, then why not? I'm not so sure that if your team is not beating teams outside the SWAC, would be better to stick with the bottom dwellers.
 
Originally posted by Da_Sperm
No smack intended, but if it would be a better financial decision, then why not? I'm not so sure that if your team is not beating teams outside the SWAC, would be better to stick with the bottom dwellers.

Well, no team is ready for D-1A period. My argument was not based on the more successful teams leaving the conference, but to indicated that maybe the less successfull team need to step up the effort in becoming more competitive. To my knowledge the SWAC is suppost to have some competitive safeguards in place to ensure that each school pulls its weight, but the SWAC does not appear to be enforceing these requirements.

I not saying that the schools have to win year in and year out, but at least make sure that each school is making the effort to be competitive and that is not happening right now with some of our schools.

But to answer your question, I think we saw first hand with Bama State that HBCU's will not be going anywhere soon because of the investment needed to make that move. Secondly, the NCAA is making moving up to D1-A a very hard task to accomplish.
 
Originally posted by SAME OLD G

As I understand it, we are going back to this 9 game requirement because it will help schools like MVSU, PV, TSU and the like to help with attendance, but why should the rest of the SWAC be handcuffed with their schedules just because schools like the aformentioned can get people at their games.


SOG,
Can you knowledgeably say that you are 100% confident that this is the reason the SWAC handed down this 9 game conference requirement? Or is this what you want to believe?
 
Originally posted by SAME OLD G
This maybe going off of the subject, but I have to ask...

As I understand it, we are going back to this 9 game requirement because it will help schools like MVSU, PV, TSU and the like to help with attendance, but why should the rest of the SWAC be handcuffed with their schedules just because schools like the aformentioned can get people at their games. I understand that we are a conference, but at what point do we say "if you can't hang you got to get the hell out?"

PROFIT SHARING
 
Well, every conference in the nation has its bottom dwellers. Teams will always remain at the bottom. Look at Vandy in the SEC. Baylor in the Big 12. I don't know what safeguards that could be put in place to make sure that teams remain competitive? I think it is a rich gets richer policy.

I do feel that any team in the SWAC makes the jump to D1-A, will be a bottom team in that conference. It is a totally different level of football.

I don' t know if the 9 team thing is fair, but with a year like the SWAC is having this year (losing many non-conference games), it makes for financial sense to try to keep majority of the SWAC money in the SWAC.
 
There is good and bad at Div. 1A

The BAD:

1. Getting your butts kicked constantly on someone's homecoming.

2. Becoming even more forgettable as some of those MAC teams.

3. Funding to be able to compete and keep the required scholarship players.

4. Being competitive and supportive of OTHER sports.


The GOOD:

1. Recruiting would be a plus if you have an "away" game scheduled at Hawaii.

2. You can clock more dollars by scheduling teams like Texas A&M and SMU because it will be a Div. 1A game and will count as a stronger opponent than a Div. 1AA game.

3. You will upgrade to a better class of athletes because they WANT to play Div. 1A ball...at ANY cost!!!


Nonetheless, I think now is the time to jump. Others are about to get smacked down to Div. 1AA because of attendance requirements, but you know there will be grandfather clauses and other rationale.

Either way, if we jump up, the Tulanes' and USM's and SMU's will gobble us up contract-wise to not only help in the attendance, but the elimination of having to "step down" to the "lowly" Div. 1AA!

Just MHO!!!
 
I have said this before. But if an HBCU is to go to 1-A, they and their fans will have to support them financially better than they are now. The facilities must improve. In other words a lot of things must change before going to 1-A.

Originally posted by C-LeB28



SOG,
Can you knowledgeably say that you are 100% confident that this is the reason the SWAC handed down this 9 game conference requirement? Or is this what you want to believe?

This is an excellent question. :tup:
 
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