ALCORNITE 86
Retired Soldier
Good Article but Rice and Totten did not win a SWAC title in '84. Alcorn did. 42-28 on a Sunday. Until this day, the best College Game I've Witnessed. (I miss most of the McNair heroics) because Saddam kept acting up.
Hey Jeff, Rice & Totten, No Go
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mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
My .02
First and foremost, the 1991 HORNETS did not lose a game!!!!!!!
I think championship teams get championship results. That being said, how can 1999 JSU be included. Regardless of their good individual athletes, the bottom line is they didn't win a championship and in the process lost to the same team twice in the same season.
And what happens if Gram goes in the tank from here on out. Would they still be considered one of the great teams??? They haven't won anything yet!!!!!! To group them with these other "great" teams is premature at this point!!!!
First and foremost, the 1991 HORNETS did not lose a game!!!!!!!
I think championship teams get championship results. That being said, how can 1999 JSU be included. Regardless of their good individual athletes, the bottom line is they didn't win a championship and in the process lost to the same team twice in the same season.
And what happens if Gram goes in the tank from here on out. Would they still be considered one of the great teams??? They haven't won anything yet!!!!!! To group them with these other "great" teams is premature at this point!!!!
HORNETSWARM
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ALCORNITE 86: The game that you witnessed in '84 wasn't nothing compared to the Oct.6th game between Bama State and JSU. (119) points scored. Now that was a game.
MikeBigg
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Yeah, I was hoping someone would set the record straight about the MSVU team not winning the championship. A talented squad, but not champs.
As for the '99 JSU team, they did not win the regular season (if we would have used the old format) nor did they win the SCG.
Despite the talent they may have had, they were not champions.
The current GSU team is defending champs and from all indications should successfully defend that title. Although I admit that losing the BC would be a disappointment, but moreso if it prevented us from winning the championship. At this juncture, losing to any team would be a disappointment based on our expectations of going undefeated. Don't think that we would not be disappointed if we lost to Nichols. However, the main focus is winning the championship. Kicking off in the jags azz would just be "icing" on the cake!
BTW: The Cake has been ordered and the icing will be spread!
As for the '99 JSU team, they did not win the regular season (if we would have used the old format) nor did they win the SCG.
Despite the talent they may have had, they were not champions.
The current GSU team is defending champs and from all indications should successfully defend that title. Although I admit that losing the BC would be a disappointment, but moreso if it prevented us from winning the championship. At this juncture, losing to any team would be a disappointment based on our expectations of going undefeated. Don't think that we would not be disappointed if we lost to Nichols. However, the main focus is winning the championship. Kicking off in the jags azz would just be "icing" on the cake!
BTW: The Cake has been ordered and the icing will be spread!
JR
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Just my two cents.
First I am glad the rest of you set Jeff straight on the Valley 84 team. I watched the most exciting and complete game on a Sunday in November of 84 along with 65,000 other folk. Alcorn used defense to slow down Valley. If anything GSU reminds me of that 84 Alcorn team that had my homeboy Milton Mack and Issac Holt holding down the secondary. Both whom went on to the NFL. Casem had a ball control team. A good , but not great QB, real good RB, decent WR's and a good TE on offense. The Defense was just awesome. So Grambling may be more like the 84 Alcorn team. Poor Valley just didn't have the defense it should have had and was not as good as the current GSU defense. It wasn't downright sorry, but just had alot of holes in it and it didn't help when your team scored quickly and put you back out there.
Hornetswarm,
I am sure you enjoyed your game with JSU, but unless you were at that 84 game you have no idea what you missed. Your game was just an offensive show with alot of turnovers in front on an okay crowd. The 84 game was 2 undefeated SWAC teams for all the marbles in front of an overflow crowd, that they moved to Sunday. Something unheard of. That was the magnitude of that game. Hell, I along with a couple of homeboys at SU drove home after our on game that Saturday night to see history being made. Miss. Memorial has neve been that full since then, maybe the 99 SU/JSU game was close. Of course the white man don't like to admit the real crowd figures. I can't recall what the official head count was but I know for a fact people were sitting on the steps in the stadium and standing in the exits. Anybody who was there knows what the electricity was in the air.
If you never saw Rice play at Valley then you missed a treat. Payton, Doug, Rice and McNair were probably the most exciting players I ever watched play in the SWAC. Rice was the most special in my mind. I just don't think the JSU/ ASU game had that type of atmosphere or those type of players. Hell just watching the side show of the God father Marino Casem vs the Gunslinger Archie Cooley patrol the sidelines and be was worth the price of admission itself.
First I am glad the rest of you set Jeff straight on the Valley 84 team. I watched the most exciting and complete game on a Sunday in November of 84 along with 65,000 other folk. Alcorn used defense to slow down Valley. If anything GSU reminds me of that 84 Alcorn team that had my homeboy Milton Mack and Issac Holt holding down the secondary. Both whom went on to the NFL. Casem had a ball control team. A good , but not great QB, real good RB, decent WR's and a good TE on offense. The Defense was just awesome. So Grambling may be more like the 84 Alcorn team. Poor Valley just didn't have the defense it should have had and was not as good as the current GSU defense. It wasn't downright sorry, but just had alot of holes in it and it didn't help when your team scored quickly and put you back out there.
Hornetswarm,
I am sure you enjoyed your game with JSU, but unless you were at that 84 game you have no idea what you missed. Your game was just an offensive show with alot of turnovers in front on an okay crowd. The 84 game was 2 undefeated SWAC teams for all the marbles in front of an overflow crowd, that they moved to Sunday. Something unheard of. That was the magnitude of that game. Hell, I along with a couple of homeboys at SU drove home after our on game that Saturday night to see history being made. Miss. Memorial has neve been that full since then, maybe the 99 SU/JSU game was close. Of course the white man don't like to admit the real crowd figures. I can't recall what the official head count was but I know for a fact people were sitting on the steps in the stadium and standing in the exits. Anybody who was there knows what the electricity was in the air.
If you never saw Rice play at Valley then you missed a treat. Payton, Doug, Rice and McNair were probably the most exciting players I ever watched play in the SWAC. Rice was the most special in my mind. I just don't think the JSU/ ASU game had that type of atmosphere or those type of players. Hell just watching the side show of the God father Marino Casem vs the Gunslinger Archie Cooley patrol the sidelines and be was worth the price of admission itself.
ALCORNITE 86
Retired Soldier
Yes Sir
JR, I was in ROTC and we had one of our Training Exercise that weekend at Camp Shelby and left early that Sunday morning enroute to Jackson. As I walked into the stadium, I was amazed at all the people and walked past two old white guys from my hometown who came to the game. That Decent QB (Richard M-16 Myles) is now the Quaterback Coach at Alcorn and he did something McNair never did; finish the season regular season undefeated. On one side you had Dennis Thomas coaching that awesome Tomahawk D and on the other you had Johnny Thomas getting schooled by his brother. DT was the man behind those great Alcorn Defenses back in the day. I can visualize Big Simpson sacking Totten and Ike picking off the INT in the closing seconds to seal the Victory.
On Rice, I saw him catch a TD on Milton Mack in the last seconds of the game in '83 that was amazing. He never broke stride on a Go Pattern. I think he broke the NCAA D1AA Receiving Record with that catch.
JR, I was in ROTC and we had one of our Training Exercise that weekend at Camp Shelby and left early that Sunday morning enroute to Jackson. As I walked into the stadium, I was amazed at all the people and walked past two old white guys from my hometown who came to the game. That Decent QB (Richard M-16 Myles) is now the Quaterback Coach at Alcorn and he did something McNair never did; finish the season regular season undefeated. On one side you had Dennis Thomas coaching that awesome Tomahawk D and on the other you had Johnny Thomas getting schooled by his brother. DT was the man behind those great Alcorn Defenses back in the day. I can visualize Big Simpson sacking Totten and Ike picking off the INT in the closing seconds to seal the Victory.
On Rice, I saw him catch a TD on Milton Mack in the last seconds of the game in '83 that was amazing. He never broke stride on a Go Pattern. I think he broke the NCAA D1AA Receiving Record with that catch.
PV-PRIDE
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Does anybody remember those "gold spats" that General Ike and the "Soul Patrol" had on that Sunday. They were so high that they remind you of the boots that the trojans wore.
P.S. I don't care what the official attendance numbers say.....There were near 70,000 people at that game if not more. Because at that time they had that large section of temporary bleachers in front of the fieldhouse and there were people all around the field.
P.S. I don't care what the official attendance numbers say.....There were near 70,000 people at that game if not more. Because at that time they had that large section of temporary bleachers in front of the fieldhouse and there were people all around the field.
JROCK
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Jeff left out that 93 S.U. ball club. This team was tenacious and I would put them on the field against any of the aforementioned teams. This team gave Air McNair pure fits in the Red Stick. I can see it as clear as today. McNair running for his life and getting pummeled by that Dog Day D all night long. That ball club was 11-1, SWAC CHAMPS & BCFNC!!!
MikeBigg
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I remember watching this team play. They had a good squad on both sides of the ball. I think the one loss came against Nichols State...also if memory serves me correctly that was Nichols only win that year.
I still can't believe that happen, but it was colder than a witches titty that day. I remember because my BREC team (undefeated and dayum near unscored upon all season, was "upset" by a tie score against a team we had drubbed earlier in the season.)
Nichols had no business even staying on the field, but somehow pulled off the upset!
86 and JR,
You guys hit the nail on the head. I've been watching SWAC football since 1965 and nothing compares to the ASU/MVSU game in 1984. When I walked into the stadium and saw all those white people I was blown away. That was unheard of for black college football.
Jeff,
Although you missed ASU 1984 team the article was still good. A word of caution, you might want to wait until the season is over before you give the Grambling team a place in history. BTW, I have seen better Grambling teams. The 1977 team with Doug at quarterback was pretty awesome. They really bomb some teams. I will never forget how JSU thought they had a awesome secondary that was untouchable, but Doug put up huge numbers against them.
You guys hit the nail on the head. I've been watching SWAC football since 1965 and nothing compares to the ASU/MVSU game in 1984. When I walked into the stadium and saw all those white people I was blown away. That was unheard of for black college football.
Jeff,
Although you missed ASU 1984 team the article was still good. A word of caution, you might want to wait until the season is over before you give the Grambling team a place in history. BTW, I have seen better Grambling teams. The 1977 team with Doug at quarterback was pretty awesome. They really bomb some teams. I will never forget how JSU thought they had a awesome secondary that was untouchable, but Doug put up huge numbers against them.
Rat Patrol
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JR,
I agree. I've been to quite a few black college games myself. (Since '76). That's as far as I can remember, and that '84 game in Jackson was it. Sunny skies and jammed packed. There were people sitting on the steps in every section.
I can remember sitting on the North end of the stadium. Upper level in the endzone.
Ice Man:
I saw it too. I got there early enough to see white people (a man and his sons) with Mississippi Valley peri on with green and white pompoms. I haven't seen anything like that since.
I can still remember the article in that Sunday's clarion ledger... emphasizing the match up between Jerry Rice and Isaac Holt. Before that weekend, I hadn't heard of Ike holt, but I certainly remembered him after that weekend.
Two legendary SWAC coaches (Marino and the Gunslinger) roaming the sidelines.
With both teams being undefeated, and the game being moved to that Sunday... I can honestly say this was the closest thing to a BLACK COLLEGE SUPER BOWL I have ever witness.
Ohhhh,
and my all time favorite quote from a football game was from the old gentleman sitting behind me with a little brief case full of libations:
"You can take my wife... you can take ALL my kids...
but don't you F#@! with my liquor!!!"
I agree. I've been to quite a few black college games myself. (Since '76). That's as far as I can remember, and that '84 game in Jackson was it. Sunny skies and jammed packed. There were people sitting on the steps in every section.
I can remember sitting on the North end of the stadium. Upper level in the endzone.
Ice Man:
I saw it too. I got there early enough to see white people (a man and his sons) with Mississippi Valley peri on with green and white pompoms. I haven't seen anything like that since.
I can still remember the article in that Sunday's clarion ledger... emphasizing the match up between Jerry Rice and Isaac Holt. Before that weekend, I hadn't heard of Ike holt, but I certainly remembered him after that weekend.
Two legendary SWAC coaches (Marino and the Gunslinger) roaming the sidelines.
With both teams being undefeated, and the game being moved to that Sunday... I can honestly say this was the closest thing to a BLACK COLLEGE SUPER BOWL I have ever witness.
Ohhhh,
and my all time favorite quote from a football game was from the old gentleman sitting behind me with a little brief case full of libations:
"You can take my wife... you can take ALL my kids...
but don't you F#@! with my liquor!!!"