HBCUs: The Backup Plan for D1 Knuckleheads
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Look back at my post and see if once, did I ever disagree with you. I get the concept of a business model in higher education. I have read the books and attending the seminars by educational theorists who passionately debate whether the business model is right or wrong for American higher education. But let me explain to you why we clash and always will on this matter:
You work in Higher Ed Policy and see things as they are, but how they should not be. I work in Fundraising (so I see your perspective because a business mindset is how we operate), but I have a student affairs and academic affairs background (so I can also see it from the student's and faculty member's perspective). While Higher Education is a business and I doubt that will change anytime soon, faculty members will tell you that the business model is what is killing the system of American higher education. Keeping up with the Jones' and straying from the real mission of Higher Education (challenging and developing the minds and characters of young men and woman) has been and will continue to be our downfall.
It seems Crowell's actions were perpetuated and rewarded all of these years because of his talent on the football field. If Barlow can humble the kid and develop his character, while winning games, then the business model and the true purpose of American higher education can coexist. Coaches that don't do that are selling these kids short at whatever level or type of institution they choose to attend. The on and off field education and development should be the purpose of higher education and not the byproduct. Search for a coach that is passionate about winning and genuine about the holistic development of student-athletes, and that is who I am hiring as a president or AD.
J C
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Pop, I've seen you post the NFL scouts looking down on the SWAC players several times. Can you support that statement or are you only stating an opinion.
The scout I know has told be that Bama State's Terren Jones, Saeed Lee, KeJuan Riley and A&M's LT Webb and RB Lacy are considered prospects that could get drafted. I will ask him next time I talk to him about the other scouts opinion on SWAC players. He told me once that if a player has talent he will be discovered even if he played at Podunk U.
jsupop33
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I NEVER said they look down on SWAC players. I said, that I heard a scout at our football camp say that they tend to question the mindset of players who transfer to the SWAC as opposed to going to a Montana, App State, etc. Also, I heard a few scouts mention that they don't think the SWAC does a good job of mentally developing QB's. Could I prove it? Possibly but that would require getting these dudes to sign up and comment. I don't think that is happening bruh.
The SWAC always has a decent number of prospects also but that hasn't panned out in the draft. I heard a scout rave about Donovan Robinson and you see what happened to him. However, this same scout said that Casey had zero chance of making an NFL roster this year and he proved it.
SUjagTILLiDIE
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Well that scout isnt going to be a scout very long. They sure showed up at SU's pro day. A general manager and all.
Robber
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They show up at everybody's pro day. NONE of our players get drafted, though.
I agree! It is easy for all commentators to judge others. No one is clean by any means. I hate to see these guys get in trouble then find out that the grass is not greener on the other side. At the same time WE AS HBCU ALUMS need to talk up our schools instead of talking down our schools. Some of you all on here have star studded athletes and refuse to send your child to an HBCU to make your school and programs better, yet you talk about every decision that the schools make that you don't like or support. Some of you coach and will steer your athletes to PWCs. Now the big picture to these troubled athletes is that these children can easily be yours and also could have been you!
Panther88
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Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... handwriting on wall.
Nice summation rob. Maybe reality will continue to slap the dog shit out of certain people to help them understand the dynamic of what's currently occurring in the SWAC w/ regards to athletic competitivity. :smh:
BlueBengal07
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responding the starting....
let's respond to the questions in reverse:
we are a great back-up plan for knuckleheads?
yes, HBCU are a great back-up plan because there is an assumptions that HBCUs understand. these players could easily swing to to Ga Southern, App St.,etc through their skills. I think some of these players believes HBCUs are more willing to accept their pass though. the catch is, are HBCUs maturing these players to become stronger citizens and away from their old habits? my concern is, are HBCUs recongnizing this and addressing this with the correct systems. something i've learned and experienced is that HBCUs does provide more of a family connection and support and expectations than a PWI (HBCU undergrad/PWI grad)
That we open doors to everyone?
yes, we do open the doors to everyone who could play the game, has some true ranked skills and interest in our school because HBCUs are hungry to prove themselves as competitive to any level and are just as deserving for 3star, 4star even 5star players if opportunity presences itself. that's were some of the APR problems started unfortunately. there needs to be a balance.
I would like to see HBCUs get to the place they want to be competitive and create the correct support systems to be, become and sustain a level of competitiveness. I believe these young stars what to consider HBCUs, but we've been striving to
Interesting article. I know there are various schools of thought on this, but I thought the questions posed by the author would spark an interesting conversation on the SWAC Page since a number of our schools, TSU included, have been nicknamed "Second Chance U".
Crowell, like many other athletes who’ve transferred to HBCUs after a hard times at PWI’s, would come in and likely be a player with immediate impact and draft stock at ASU. But its clear he believes his baggage won’t make him appealing to another BCS program, and its obvious that Alabama State was somewhere on his radar for this information to come out.
So which side of the HBCU argument are we making for cases like Crowell’s and other athletes with a troubled past? That we open doors to everyone? Or that we are a great back-up plan for knuckleheads?
let's respond to the questions in reverse:
we are a great back-up plan for knuckleheads?
yes, HBCU are a great back-up plan because there is an assumptions that HBCUs understand. these players could easily swing to to Ga Southern, App St.,etc through their skills. I think some of these players believes HBCUs are more willing to accept their pass though. the catch is, are HBCUs maturing these players to become stronger citizens and away from their old habits? my concern is, are HBCUs recongnizing this and addressing this with the correct systems. something i've learned and experienced is that HBCUs does provide more of a family connection and support and expectations than a PWI (HBCU undergrad/PWI grad)
That we open doors to everyone?
yes, we do open the doors to everyone who could play the game, has some true ranked skills and interest in our school because HBCUs are hungry to prove themselves as competitive to any level and are just as deserving for 3star, 4star even 5star players if opportunity presences itself. that's were some of the APR problems started unfortunately. there needs to be a balance.
I would like to see HBCUs get to the place they want to be competitive and create the correct support systems to be, become and sustain a level of competitiveness. I believe these young stars what to consider HBCUs, but we've been striving to
Interesting article. I know there are various schools of thought on this, but I thought the questions posed by the author would spark an interesting conversation on the SWAC Page since a number of our schools, TSU included, have been nicknamed "Second Chance U".
Crowell, like many other athletes who’ve transferred to HBCUs after a hard times at PWI’s, would come in and likely be a player with immediate impact and draft stock at ASU. But its clear he believes his baggage won’t make him appealing to another BCS program, and its obvious that Alabama State was somewhere on his radar for this information to come out.
So which side of the HBCU argument are we making for cases like Crowell’s and other athletes with a troubled past? That we open doors to everyone? Or that we are a great back-up plan for knuckleheads?
CEE DOG
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Why didn't you self hating knee grows show up when Ryan Perrilloux transferred to Jacksonville St and had them winning in the playoffs? Man yalls self hate is getting out of hand around these parts....... In fact you all were bragging on what type of athlete this dude was. Sad!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Perrilloux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Perrilloux
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SUjagTILLiDIE
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When we have someone talented enough they will get drafted period. Folks aren't getting drafted because the aren't good enough, not because they played in the SWAC. Not to many folks got drafted from FCS's period, but the majority of the ones who did were FBS transfers.
SUjagTILLiDIE
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I agree. These ninjas complain about everything :smh: , but won't do shat to help the situation.. It's like they dont want their schools to be successful. I know for a fact, because one of my friends who son is being recruited told me, teams from other conferences send recruit and their parents to this board to read. I don't know if they understand what they are doing, but its pathetic.
In_The_662
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Yet they act like they aren't part of the problem or just don't care in many cases (they know who they are).
We gotta get rid of that mindset first before any of the other changes necessary to uplift the SWAC will occur. Who will wanna send their child to any of our schools when they can come to this board and see nothing but downing and negative talk? :retard:
Panther88
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There's a <b>severe</b> comprehension issue w/ some of you black people, obviously. :smh: :shame: <b>"When we have someone talented enough they will get drafted period"</b> So, the last 3-4 years no one has been talented enough eh? lol
Some of you blacks are some of the F-U-N-N-I-E-S-T people I'd ever had the displeasure of encountering. lol
If this isn't the FUNNIEST shit I'd read today lol "
SUjagTILLiDIE
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:lol:
Panther88
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:emlaugh: :lmao: :lol: lol I know, right. lol
SUjagTILLiDIE
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Comprehension issues really :smh:
Those are bad parents. I'm sorry.
jsupop33
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They are making my case stronger. I heard this from more than one scout too. They see no need to waste draft picks on some of our very good players because they can sign them cheaper as free agents and the conference brand isn't as strong. A ***** trying to refute that by stating the number of scouts that showed up for pro-day yet no one from their team got drafted is the equivalent of a retarded kid running in the special Olympics to prove he is not retarded.
As far as talent. I want people to examine the last two rounds of the draft the past four years and the players we had sign as free agents and tell me what you think
SUjagTILLiDIE
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That has nothing to do with the conversation. Look how many scouts, coaches and GM's they have that never played.
SUjagTILLiDIE
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ok who in our conference you think deserved to be drafted last year. Again if the player has enough talent he will get drafted.
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