Haitian Situation
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I wonder if there is some secret policy about Haiti. Every president wheter Republican or Democrat had no policy or sympathy for Haiti. It's a double standard and racist to turn away Haitian immigrants and accept other nationalities. Now Bush is trying his "damndest" to legalize illegal immigrants before the election. I know I did not answer your question but the US will protect it's only interest and that's the embassy.
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
this crisis makes my head hurt
the US has a clear anti-Aristide agenda and they are pushing it through
Aristide was elected (his election was not contested) by the people of Haiti to serve until 2006
Aristide is begging for help and the world community is letting him flap in the wind
did the US allow Kuwait/Iraq to settle its own affairs??
or Iraq or Afganistan or Kosovo??
They are content with allowing Aristide's feebly supplied forces be overwhelmed by greedy elitists who are getting money sent to them by entities in the US and Canada just to name two
sorry about seeming so unorganized in my response but i'm tryin to type as i rush out of the door
the US has a clear anti-Aristide agenda and they are pushing it through
Aristide was elected (his election was not contested) by the people of Haiti to serve until 2006
Aristide is begging for help and the world community is letting him flap in the wind
did the US allow Kuwait/Iraq to settle its own affairs??
or Iraq or Afganistan or Kosovo??
They are content with allowing Aristide's feebly supplied forces be overwhelmed by greedy elitists who are getting money sent to them by entities in the US and Canada just to name two
sorry about seeming so unorganized in my response but i'm tryin to type as i rush out of the door
HBCUs
Deep in Tha Heart of...
It's a damn shame how the U.S. et al has treated Haiti, a bona-fide democracy whose only sin was:
1. Having the gall and strength to be the first independent Black republic in the New World.
2. Having the gall and strength to refuse to be America's puppet.
And to think the Bush administration had the nerve to cite "election irregularites" as an excuse not aid a fellow democracy.
Don't get it twisted though; Clinton was a bastard toward Haiti as well. The U.S. has been hell bent on destroying Aristide for some 13 years now.
1. Having the gall and strength to be the first independent Black republic in the New World.
2. Having the gall and strength to refuse to be America's puppet.
And to think the Bush administration had the nerve to cite "election irregularites" as an excuse not aid a fellow democracy.
Don't get it twisted though; Clinton was a bastard toward Haiti as well. The U.S. has been hell bent on destroying Aristide for some 13 years now.
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
The rebel's have Port au cut off with no ships or supplies geting in. They said they don't want to attack the city because it will be a "hard" fight with many people losing their lives. They want Aristide to step down, but he has vowed not to resign. They are building barricades at the Presidential Palace.
Looks like "last Stand" time.
Looks like "last Stand" time.
dSWACizJSU
New Member
we are spreading our troops too thin. does some attention needed to be drawn to haiti, yes. however, before we engage in another international affair, we must become more organized. when we get of that high horse and allow ourselves to join the united nations and make it an international problem. though the U.N. may just give us the finger for bush being such an arse hole.
it is sad, but these politicians see no value in haiti to benefit the U.S. other than a bunch of negroes trying to come over here and invade our "Christian" way of life.
it is sad, but these politicians see no value in haiti to benefit the U.S. other than a bunch of negroes trying to come over here and invade our "Christian" way of life.
dSWACizJSU
New Member
at the rate we are going, we can't afford to get into another hostile situation with another country. where will we get this money to finance action. point blank........bring our troops home from everywhere. i have a cousin stationed in china.....been there for 2 dayum years and ain't doin a dayum thang just sitting.
dacontinent
Preacher
Some of us amaze me at what we don't know about Haiti. Being in Florida might give me a little closer perspective.
Remember, Aristede is a US puppet just like Saddam was. The nationals in Haiti will not need US help to get Aristede ousted. They are well-able to do it alone, backed by the funds of the nation with whom they share the island.
Remember, Aristede is a US puppet just like Saddam was. The nationals in Haiti will not need US help to get Aristede ousted. They are well-able to do it alone, backed by the funds of the nation with whom they share the island.
Attack Dog
Well-Known Member
Yes, if we still see ourselves as "the policeman" of the western hemisphere.
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
my goodness
the ignorance displayed in some of the posts on this thread sadden me almost as much as what this country has done to oust a democratically-elected head of state
look, for anyone that wants to get caught up on what is going on (and this does not include what has been happening within the last twelve hours), please
click HERE
**Houston area posters - we are putting together a Haiti education meeting for sometime within the next week
i am working on a series of articles on the story and i have a lot of information to share with anyone that wants to get the bigger picture on Haiti and why we should give a damn about her
(for more information, please contact me and/or leave a message on this thread)
the ignorance displayed in some of the posts on this thread sadden me almost as much as what this country has done to oust a democratically-elected head of state
look, for anyone that wants to get caught up on what is going on (and this does not include what has been happening within the last twelve hours), please
click HERE
**Houston area posters - we are putting together a Haiti education meeting for sometime within the next week
i am working on a series of articles on the story and i have a lot of information to share with anyone that wants to get the bigger picture on Haiti and why we should give a damn about her
(for more information, please contact me and/or leave a message on this thread)
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
from AMERICAN BLACK website:
The US lawyer representing the government of Haiti charged today that the US government is directly involved in a military coup attempt against the country's democratically elected President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Ira Kurzban, the Miami-based attorney who has served as General Counsel to the Haitian government since 1991, said that the paramilitaries fighting to overthrow Aristide are being backed by Washington.
"I believe that this is a group that is armed by, trained by, and employed by the intelligence services of the United States," Kurzban told the national radio and TV program Democracy Now!. "This is clearly a military operation, and it's a military coup."
"There's enough indications from our point of view, at least from my point of view, that the United States certainly knew what was coming about two weeks before this military operation started," Kurzban said. "The United States made contingency plans for Guantanamo." ...
The US lawyer representing the government of Haiti charged today that the US government is directly involved in a military coup attempt against the country's democratically elected President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Ira Kurzban, the Miami-based attorney who has served as General Counsel to the Haitian government since 1991, said that the paramilitaries fighting to overthrow Aristide are being backed by Washington.
"I believe that this is a group that is armed by, trained by, and employed by the intelligence services of the United States," Kurzban told the national radio and TV program Democracy Now!. "This is clearly a military operation, and it's a military coup."
"There's enough indications from our point of view, at least from my point of view, that the United States certainly knew what was coming about two weeks before this military operation started," Kurzban said. "The United States made contingency plans for Guantanamo." ...
U.S. abandons Haiti's democracy
February 24, 2004
BY JESSE JACKSON
Haiti, the poorest nation in the hemisphere, 500 miles off the coast of Florida, is under siege by thugs and assassins. The Bush administration, after pursuing polices that helped fuel the crisis, has been reluctant to help resolve it. As was once said of Mexico, pity Haiti, so close to America and so far from God.
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February 24, 2004
BY JESSE JACKSON
Haiti, the poorest nation in the hemisphere, 500 miles off the coast of Florida, is under siege by thugs and assassins. The Bush administration, after pursuing polices that helped fuel the crisis, has been reluctant to help resolve it. As was once said of Mexico, pity Haiti, so close to America and so far from God.
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hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
Congresswoman Barbara Lee Condemns Bush Administration for Supporting the Ouster of Haitian President Aristide
Oakland, CA ? Congresswoman Barbara Lee (D-CA) today condemned the Bush Administration for supporting the ouster of democratically-elected Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. According to news reports, Aristide resigned his office this morning and left to seek political asylum in another country, after the Bush Administration, in the last of a series of moves, yesterday publicly ?called into question his fitness to govern Haiti.?
?I am outraged that the democratically-elected President of Haiti, a country where a true democracy has recently emerged after decades of autocratic rule, has been pushed out by an Administration anxious to get rid of him,? said Lee. ?This Administration has employed a campaign of misinformation in order to carry out what essentially is a coup d?etat.?
?In spite of the fact that we are spending billions of dollars to advance democracy in Iraq, this Administration has done nothing to aid a democratically-elected government that is our neighbor.?
?This Administration has, in essence, carried out a form of ?regime change,? a different form than it took in Iraq, but still regime change.?
?I am gravely disappointed by the actions of this Administration, and I am disgusted to see their commitment to democracy so shallow.?
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Oakland, CA ? Congresswoman Barbara Lee (D-CA) today condemned the Bush Administration for supporting the ouster of democratically-elected Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. According to news reports, Aristide resigned his office this morning and left to seek political asylum in another country, after the Bush Administration, in the last of a series of moves, yesterday publicly ?called into question his fitness to govern Haiti.?
?I am outraged that the democratically-elected President of Haiti, a country where a true democracy has recently emerged after decades of autocratic rule, has been pushed out by an Administration anxious to get rid of him,? said Lee. ?This Administration has employed a campaign of misinformation in order to carry out what essentially is a coup d?etat.?
?In spite of the fact that we are spending billions of dollars to advance democracy in Iraq, this Administration has done nothing to aid a democratically-elected government that is our neighbor.?
?This Administration has, in essence, carried out a form of ?regime change,? a different form than it took in Iraq, but still regime change.?
?I am gravely disappointed by the actions of this Administration, and I am disgusted to see their commitment to democracy so shallow.?
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hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
SCENES FROM MIAMI:
*"Veyeyo" means "watch them in Kreyol (the phrase has been adopted as the name for a vocal grassroots advocacy group in Miami
Radio personality Ludner Beauvoir of station WOCN rallies the crowd. Haitian radio buzzed Sunday with talk of Aristide's downfall
*"Veyeyo" means "watch them in Kreyol (the phrase has been adopted as the name for a vocal grassroots advocacy group in Miami
Radio personality Ludner Beauvoir of station WOCN rallies the crowd. Haitian radio buzzed Sunday with talk of Aristide's downfall
Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
this is just unbelievable.
sorry i could not respond in a timely fashion (issues with my ISP mail filtering has cause me to miss all of your email replies), so my take will not be in psync with the discussion. this is a general take on the developments to this point, not to a particular reply in this thread.
the way this is panning out is so ridiculous. I get to the bay area only to find out that people are protesting against Bush/the U.S. coup?????!!!!!!!!
every day I look at news/politics I become even more pessimistic. first of all,,,, these idiots and clowns are "demanding" Bush/U.S. take action in Haiti. I thought Bush was too gun-ho,, too much of a "gun slinging cowboy". If Bush had sent troops in to quell the uprising, these same idiots and baphoons would have been lining up to file law suites against the U.S. government for brutality against "innocent civilians". AND THEN,,,, WHEN THE U.S. FINALLY DOES DO SOMETHING,,,,,, IT'S A COUP AND THE U.S. "HELPED OVERTHROW A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEADER"??!!! what would have been said if the U.S. would have totally stayed out of it????!!!!!! "Bush ignored a crisis because the nation was black"?
sorry i could not respond in a timely fashion (issues with my ISP mail filtering has cause me to miss all of your email replies), so my take will not be in psync with the discussion. this is a general take on the developments to this point, not to a particular reply in this thread.
the way this is panning out is so ridiculous. I get to the bay area only to find out that people are protesting against Bush/the U.S. coup?????!!!!!!!!
every day I look at news/politics I become even more pessimistic. first of all,,,, these idiots and clowns are "demanding" Bush/U.S. take action in Haiti. I thought Bush was too gun-ho,, too much of a "gun slinging cowboy". If Bush had sent troops in to quell the uprising, these same idiots and baphoons would have been lining up to file law suites against the U.S. government for brutality against "innocent civilians". AND THEN,,,, WHEN THE U.S. FINALLY DOES DO SOMETHING,,,,,, IT'S A COUP AND THE U.S. "HELPED OVERTHROW A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEADER"??!!! what would have been said if the U.S. would have totally stayed out of it????!!!!!! "Bush ignored a crisis because the nation was black"?
dacontinent
Preacher
Well...lessee...
Who put Saddam Hussein in power back in Iraq? US gov't.
Who insisted that Iraq have elections after Saddam was put into place, which Saddam later manipulated like a dictator anyway? US gov't.
How did Aristide get elected in the first place? US gov't money backed him.
When the coup came in and ran him out back in the 90's, who put him back in the presidency? US gov't
Who put Manuel Noriega in power in Panama and later saw to his removal? US gov't.
Get the picture?
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
the Noreaga referenced in the sign from the foto is not the same Noriega that was in chare in Panama
the Noreaga from the sign is a member of the Bush regime right now
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Aristide a puppet??
Now i know how Bush is able to get away with so much: ignorance is bliss and a lot of Americans are very happy
:redhot:
the Noreaga from the sign is a member of the Bush regime right now
*************
Aristide a puppet??
Now i know how Bush is able to get away with so much: ignorance is bliss and a lot of Americans are very happy
:redhot: