Gramblng Band Question?

[GSU #1 in MS]

What Band in the SWAC is worse than *rampax? Real talk! Name 'em. Of course the world saw what the U did to them without the spin of BET, TxSU embarassed them, and PV Cleaned your clock, yall got plastered by Hampton(they are MEAC for Pete's sake). Thats all Ive seen. IMO the jukebox had another undefeated season. Dispute it if you'd like. :winkgrin:

Man, I hope you were at the games while your'e talkin'. GSU didn't fall to PV. Whether you know it or not, GSU and Hampton could only play when told to do so. Towards the end of the game, Hampton ignored that rule.5th quarter......WOW! TXSU actually did win, they didn't blow GSU out. Whether you like it or not, GSU did not fall to SU by getting out blowed. GSU was louder, and had more difficult pieces. They lost from song selection. However since yall SUcks bytches want to talk, talk about how they got in yall ***** at the game!!

 

[ZNSPR8502]

Man, I hope you were at the games while your'e talkin'. GSU didn't fall to PV. Whether you know it or not, GSU and Hampton could only play when told to do so. Towards the end of the game, Hampton ignored that rule.5th quarter......WOW! TXSU actually did win, they didn't blow GSU out. Whether you like it or not, GSU did not fall to SU by getting out blowed. GSU was louder, and had more difficult pieces. They lost from song selection. However since yall SUcks bytches want to talk, talk about how they got in yall ***** at the game!!

Wow! GSU was louder than SU? GSU played more difficult pieces than SU? Wow!

OK. Hold the horses. Musician are real. So, let's keep it so. For those of you that pay attention, you should know that I don't fudge an opinion for SU or against an opponent of SU. I don't make a habit of bashing SU or anyone else. That isn't want bandsmenship is all about. So, since you've put this response out here and it is off base, I'll restore integrity.

You are right. GSU's song selection back fired. There was too huge of an effort to dedicate the BOB to New Orleans and Katrina. The thought of doing something was great. Doing every song for it was over kill.

As for being louder and playing more difficult songs, that certainly isn't true. The one thing that is a no debate is how much more loud SU was. I set in front of GSU on the far side (not the side closest to the stage) and SU was still louder than GSU. Plus, for at least the first half of the battle, GSU's mics were either simply on or turned up loader than SU's. Where SU's weren't on or turn down quit a bit. But, in spite of that, I still heard a louder Jukebox more than the World Famed.
More difficult songs... Not the case... Neither band played any wowing skills music. The difficulty of the arrangements were what and what. Mind you, SU's arrangement were written better. But, neither band played that night any arrangements that set them apart in terms of difficulty. They weren't attempting to wow us with hella muscial skills.

I'm so tired of all of these responses that only take digs at the other band. Just keep it real. You don't have to poor mouth your craft in order to maintain your level of excellence. Instead, stepping up and rising to the challenge does the craft, your band and you the better good.

Peace...

 

[GSU #1 in MS]

Wow! GSU was louder than SU? GSU played more difficult pieces than SU? Wow!

OK. Hold the horses. Musician are real. So, let's keep it so. For those of you that pay attention, you should know that I don't fudge an opinion for SU or against an opponent of SU. I don't make a habit of bashing SU or anyone else. That isn't want bandsmenship is all about. So, since you've put this response out here and it is off base, I'll restore integrity.

You are right. GSU's song selection back fired. There was too huge of an effort to dedicate the BOB to New Orleans and Katrina. The thought of doing something was great. Doing every song for it was over kill.

As for being louder and playing more difficult songs, that certainly isn't true. The one thing that is a no debate is how much more loud SU was. I set in front of GSU on the far side (not the side closest to the stage) and SU was still louder than GSU. Plus, for at least the first half of the battle, GSU's mics were either simply on or turned up loader than SU's. Where SU's weren't on or turn down quit a bit. But, in spite of that, I still heard a louder Jukebox more than the World Famed.
More difficult songs... Not the case... Neither band played any wowing skills music. The difficulty of the arrangements were what and what. Mind you, SU's arrangement were written better. But, neither band played that night any arrangements that set them apart in terms of difficulty. They weren't attempting to wow us with hella muscial skills.

I'm so tired of all of these responses that only take digs at the other band. Just keep it real. You don't have to poor mouth your craft in order to maintain your level of excellence. Instead, stepping up and rising to the challenge does the craft, your band and you the better good.

Peace...

Appreciate the integrity of your response. True: GSU did a little over dedicating. But, I sat behind GSU. I still say for a while, they out played SU. See, SU likes to wow crowds with severly annoying screaming. Unfortunately, GSU does the same at times. But, I respect you SU. My thing is that you, unlike the majority of your other Southernites, seem like you would be willing to give GSU their due. Be honest, SU was not just perfect either, where they.

 

[mustardmanSU_04]

Appreciate the integrity of your response. True: GSU did a little over dedicating. But, I sat behind GSU. I still say for a while, they out played SU. See, SU likes to wow crowds with severly annoying screaming. Unfortunately, GSU does the same at times. But, I respect you SU. My thing is that you, unlike the majority of your other Southernites, seem like you would be willing to give GSU their due. Be honest, SU was not just perfect either, where they.

Dude, not one single Juke got on here and claimed a "Flawless Victory." Cuz hell, musicians make mistakes, we just know that yall made hella mistakes more than us.

 

[ZNSPR8502]

Appreciate the integrity of your response. True: GSU did a little over dedicating. But, I sat behind GSU. I still say for a while, they out played SU. See, SU likes to wow crowds with severly annoying screaming. Unfortunately, GSU does the same at times. But, I respect you SU. My thing is that you, unlike the majority of your other Southernites, seem like you would be willing to give GSU their due. Be honest, SU was not just perfect either, where they.

come on... I don't anyone has been perfect, even when they performed in competitions and received 1 ratings. I will assure you that a performance could have always been performed better.

That is a show. Truth being told, practically everyone in there is paying about $25 to see the bands. Most sit through the stomping/stepping totally uninterested knowing if they don't that they will not have a decent seat. So, once the bands take there first step into the stadium floor, the entertaining starts. The talking across the mic is part of it. The singing is part of it. The ladies dancing and looking great as they dance is part of it. The bands playing songs that people recognize and love is part of it. The bands playing songs that are challenging and yet, impressive to none bandsmen, is part of it. The bands playing solid arrangement in pitch with the right notes is part of it.

To me, Grambling is and always has been country. It isn't a style that I would want to march. FAMU, UAPB, AAMU, Bama State, TnSU, TxSU are the same way. Alcorn, JSU and PV are also country, but if SU wasn't there I could see having marched for them. I'm from the country. My high school was country also. But, SU style was impressive to me. With all of that stated, every band, country or not, has a method to present their style that can be really entertaining to the crowds they perform to. No matter what your style, it is your job/goal to ensure yours is more entertaining.

We all need to stop being so darn personal. That isn't what our craft is about. Music isn't music if the harmony doesn't exist. Yes, there are progressions, but each note is appropriate for the harmony that is currently being played. Let each of us strive to post with more harmony in 2007, whether it is a major or minor comment; whether we are augmenting or deminishing; whether we are discussing sharp or flat performances.

Peace...

 

[mustardmanSU_04]

.....Music isn't music if the harmony doesn't exist. Yes, there are progressions, but each note is appropriate for the harmony that is currently being played. Let each of us strive to post with more harmony in 2007, whether it is a major or minor comment; whether we are augmenting or deminishing; whether we are discussing sharp or flat performances.

Peace...

THAT was deep!

 

[GSU #1 in MS]

come on... I don't anyone has been perfect, even when they performed in competitions and received 1 ratings. I will assure you that a performance could have always been performed better.

That is a show. Truth being told, practically everyone in there is paying about $25 to see the bands. Most sit through the stomping/stepping totally uninterested knowing if they don't that they will not have a decent seat. So, once the bands take there first step into the stadium floor, the entertaining starts. The talking across the mic is part of it. The singing is part of it. The ladies dancing and looking great as they dance is part of it. The bands playing songs that people recognize and love is part of it. The bands playing songs that are challenging and yet, impressive to none bandsmen, is part of it. The bands playing solid arrangement in pitch with the right notes is part of it.

To me, Grambling is and always has been country. It isn't a style that I would want to march. FAMU, UAPB, AAMU, Bama State, TnSU, TxSU are the same way. Alcorn, JSU and PV are also country, but if SU wasn't there I could see having marched for them. I'm from the country. My high school was country also. But, SU style was impressive to me. With all of that stated, every band, country or not, has a method to present their style that can be really entertaining to the crowds they perform to. No matter what your style, it is your job/goal to ensure yours is more entertaining.

We all need to stop being so darn personal. That isn't what our craft is about. Music isn't music if the harmony doesn't exist. Yes, there are progressions, but each note is appropriate for the harmony that is currently being played. Let each of us strive to post with more harmony in 2007, whether it is a major or minor comment; whether we are augmenting or deminishing; whether we are discussing sharp or flat performances.

Peace...

Well I have been seeing too many people from SU preaching about how they were better than GSU. The arrangements could have been better, I'll admit, but my question for SU is: would it kill you to give GSU credit for any songs at the BOTB?

 

[mustardmanSU_04]

Well I have been seeing too many people from SU preaching about how they were better than GSU. The arrangements could have been better, I'll admit, but my question for SU is: would it kill you to give GSU credit for any songs at the BOTB?

No, but it would probably send me to hell for telling such a big lie! Naw, I said :vomit:*ramblin SOUNDED bad, I never commented on the arrangements, because I can't decide wether they are just suck-ass arrangements, or if the band if just doing a God-awful job of executing them how they were intended to be.

 

[ZNSPR8502]

Well I have been seeing too many people from SU preaching about how they were better than GSU. The arrangements could have been better, I'll admit, but my question for SU is: would it kill you to give GSU credit for any songs at the BOTB?

If credit is worthy, no it wouldn't kill me. For example, in our day ('84-'87), PV wasn't a threat at all. They did some nice little cute and professional shows, but that was about it. However, they appeared to get better every year from '84 to '87 (my tenure). I understand they continued to get better through at least '90 (I could be wrong on the year-maybe it was '89 or something), when some say they came to BR and caught them off guard with a kick ass show. I didn't see it, but I heard that is what happened. They were given their props. TnSU was a huge competitor in the stands during my tenure. We didn't worry about their field, but they brought natural smoke in the stands. So, when we hung out with them, we gave them major props on their musicianship and arrangements.

Everybody doesn't love SU and its style and everybody doesn't love GSU or any other band and there style. However, I still don't go around just flat our lying about how band someone other than SU is. If I say the arrangement or arrangements are lacking, it is an honest opinion that I would have even if it was SU sounding that way. If the arrangements sounds like it probably was on point, but the band is messing it up due to wrong notes, intonation issues, attacks and releases, lack of feeling, etc..., that would be a fact regardless to who is playing what I'm hearing.

So, don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating everyone to be dishonest. I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying have credibility to your comments. "SU Sucks" isn't constructive feedback to those who performed or informative to those who didn't see the performance. That merely sounds like someone who is hating on SU and that they probably realize they are the exact opposite of what they are typing, but isn't grown enough to realize my complimenting your tubas, dance routine, dancers, arrangement or something else doesn't diminish what I cherish the most.

For example, when it comes to Notre Dame football, I CAN'T STAND THEM! When they hired Willingham, I couldn't be so anti-Notre Dame when they hired a brother. I still didn't like them, but I started halfway pulling for them to win unless they were playing one of favorite non-HBCU schools (Michigan, Ohio State, UCLA, Michigan, LSU or Miami), which he didn't run across but one or two of them. When they fired him, I went right back to my hateration of wanting them to look bad. As a bandsman, I don't wish for any band to just totally suck. That's my craft. I want it to attract more sharp and talent youth to desire to follow in our footsteps. I want SU to be on the cutting edge of that attraction, of course. But, great competition significantly improves the quality of the performers and the performances. As you've hear the older heads say out here, we knew certain bands were bring everything and the kitchen sink at us. So, we had to respect what we could be facing in the stands and on the fields, both by way of musical and entertainment.

Peace...

 

[MikeBigg]

Dawg I luv it, you're like me, BLAZE Grampax every chance you get.:smash:

cfuk you, bruh! :flamethro

 

[Legend35]

If credit is worthy, no it wouldn't kill me. For example, in our day ('84-'87), PV wasn't a threat at all. They did some nice little cute and professional shows, but that was about it. However, they appeared to get better every year from '84 to '87 (my tenure). I understand they continued to get better through at least '90 (I could be wrong on the year-maybe it was '89 or something), when some say they came to BR and caught them off guard with a kick ass show. I didn't see it, but I heard that is what happened. They were given their props. TnSU was a huge competitor in the stands during my tenure. We didn't worry about their field, but they brought natural smoke in the stands. So, when we hung out with them, we gave them major props on their musicianship and arrangements.

Everybody doesn't love SU and its style and everybody doesn't love GSU or any other band and there style. However, I still don't go around just flat our lying about how band someone other than SU is. If I say the arrangement or arrangements are lacking, it is an honest opinion that I would have even if it was SU sounding that way. If the arrangements sounds like it probably was on point, but the band is messing it up due to wrong notes, intonation issues, attacks and releases, lack of feeling, etc..., that would be a fact regardless to who is playing what I'm hearing.

So, don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating everyone to be dishonest. I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying have credibility to your comments. "SU Sucks" isn't constructive feedback to those who performed or informative to those who didn't see the performance. That merely sounds like someone who is hating on SU and that they probably realize they are the exact opposite of what they are typing, but isn't grown enough to realize my complimenting your tubas, dance routine, dancers, arrangement or something else doesn't diminish what I cherish the most.

For example, when it comes to Notre Dame football, I CAN'T STAND THEM! When they hired Willingham, I couldn't be so anti-Notre Dame when they hired a brother. I still didn't like them, but I started halfway pulling for them to win unless they were playing one of favorite non-HBCU schools (Michigan, Ohio State, UCLA, Michigan, LSU or Miami), which he didn't run across but one or two of them. When they fired him, I went right back to my hateration of wanting them to look bad. As a bandsman, I don't wish for any band to just totally suck. That's my craft. I want it to attract more sharp and talent youth to desire to follow in our footsteps. I want SU to be on the cutting edge of that attraction, of course. But, great competition significantly improves the quality of the performers and the performances. As you've hear the older heads say out here, we knew certain bands were bring everything and the kitchen sink at us. So, we had to respect what we could be facing in the stands and on the fields, both by way of musical and entertainment.

Peace...

That's some good reading!!!! :tup:

I have grown tired of talking now.

 

[Legend35]

As for being louder and playing more difficult songs, that certainly isn't true. The one thing that is a no debate is how much more loud SU was. I set in front of GSU on the far side (not the side closest to the stage) and SU was still louder than GSU. Plus, for at least the first half of the battle, GSU's mics were either simply on or turned up loader than SU's. Where SU's weren't on or turn down quit a bit. But, in spite of that, I still heard a louder Jukebox more than the World Famed.
More difficult songs... Not the case... Neither band played any wowing skills music. The difficulty of the arrangements were what and what. Mind you, SU's arrangement were written better. But, neither band played that night any arrangements that set them apart in terms of difficulty. They weren't attempting to wow us with hella muscial skills.

OK,...we've got problems here.
Again,...what does loudness have to do with anything?
I still like and probably will always like our arrangements better than Southerns. That's just my style. "Yesterday" and "Distant Lover" had some beautiful resolutions in it. I'm just a man who appreciates color over power anyday.

 

[mustardmanSU_04]

I'm just a man who appreciates color over power anyday.

The only "color" I interpreted from that performance was BROWN, as in POO, and MUD. Or better yet, a mud puddle WITH a turd floating in it.... But, I am just a man who appreciates music over :vomit:*ramblin any day.

 

[Legend35]

The only "color" I interpreted from that performance was BROWN, as in POO, and MUD. Or better yet, a mud puddle WITH a turd floating in it.... But, I am just a man who appreciates music over :vomit:*ramblin any day.

Not worth my time!!!
I'm gonna give you a few extra credits because my intel tells me you can write. Therefore,... I will stand down from a useless waste of words.

 

[mustardmanSU_04]

Not worth my time!!!
I'm gonna give you a few extra credits because my intel tells me you can write. Therefore,... I will stand down from a useless waste of words.

No, please. Explain kind sir. I do arrange/compose a lil' bit, but that's why I am merciless. I am only 20 years old, and I will be damned if ANYBODY play, and murder my arrangement or composition! I would take the music back, burn it and piss the fire out before I let that happen! You can't tell if its a good arrangement if its executed incorrectly, and I would not like my name attached to a bad performance. ESPECIALLY after dealing with Mr. Knighten. That dude plays NO GAMES when it comes to his music, and, if all directors/arrangers take that attitude, we wouldn't even be talkin' bout this.

 

[Legend35]

No, please. Explain kind sir. I do arrange/compose a lil' bit, but that's why I am merciless. I am only 20 years old, and I will be damned if ANYBODY play, and murder my arrangement or composition! I would take the music back, burn it and piss the fire out before I let that happen! You can't tell if its a good arrangement if its executed incorrectly, and I would not like my name attached to a bad performance. ESPECIALLY after dealing with Mr. Knighten. That dude plays NO GAMES when it comes to his music, and, if all directors/arrangers take that attitude, we wouldn't even be talkin' bout this.

OK!!!! :tup: I can respect that. :nod: I respect and welcome the view points of musicians that differs from my own.
You are talking my language now.
Hmmm,....
Spoken like a real musician. I'm afraid you are going to have to learn as I have that though we want a flawless performance in terms of our arrangements and it's correct interpretation,....there is no such thing. The actual live performance will never be like a practiced performance. Still,..this type of philosophy doesn't violate one's musical integrity. I understand what you are saying. I really do. I just feel you are being a little too harsh with your position. I too do not and will not compromise on musicianship and yet,....people are human and mistakes will be made. Arranging music is the easiest part of it. The hard part is having all the variables you need to teach them the correct interpretaion.

 

[mustardmanSU_04]

.......The hard part is having all the variables you need to teach them the correct interpretaion.

Say what?! In a college environment, all that the directors should hafta TEACH is that bands performance style..... The music TELLS you how to interpret , i.e. cresc..... dim.... mf..... fff..... marcato..... stacatto. The biggest lesson I learned was when I went to Biology class my 1st semester:

After an hour of taking notes, he stood up and said "All of you who took notes on my lecture, THEY ARE ALL WRONG!!!!! I told you to read and apparently you all didn't. I am your professor, NOT A TEACHER and I will not teach you anything this semester. I will tell you what to read, and you will learn it on your own time."

At Southern there is are band directors c, not a music teacher..... They TELL, we DO. The music speaks for itself.


AND btw, our performances are ALWAYS better than our practices.

 

[Legend35]

Say what?! In a college environment, all that the directors should hafta TEACH is that bands performance style..... The music TELLS you how to interpret , i.e. cresc..... dim.... mf..... fff..... marcato..... stacatto. The biggest lesson I learned was when I went to Biology class my 1st semester:

After an hour of taking notes, he stood up and said "All of you who took notes on my lecture, THEY ARE ALL WRONG!!!!! I told you to read and apparently you all didn't. I am your professor, NOT A TEACHER and I will not teach you anything this semester. I will tell you what to read, and you will learn it on your own time."

At Southern there is are band directors c, not a music teacher..... They TELL, we DO. The music speaks for itself.


AND btw, our performances are ALWAYS better than our practices.

Hmmm,...I hope this doesn't loose you from my main thought.

Question: Are you a music major and have you ever done a recital? Situations can come up that you have no control over. They can affect performance.

No two musicians play alike. They may have some similarities but, there are some things in their playing that should set them apart. I said that to say this,.... we may be diggin' on the same song but, my interpretation will differ from yours and both concepts are justifiable. Unless you yourself go down there and work the band on your own material,...you will probably stay disgusted because it may not flow the way you intended it to.



~Where the h3ll is kremesaver?~

 

[mustardmanSU_04]

Hmmm,...I hope this doesn't loose you from my main thought.

Question: Are you a music major and have you ever done a recital? Situations can come up that you have no control over. They can affect performance.

No two musicians play alike. They may have some similarities but, there are some things in their playing that should set them apart. I said that to say this,.... we may be diggin' on the same song but, my interpretation will differ from yours and both concepts are justifiable. Unless you yourself go down there and work the band on your own material,...you will probably stay disgusted because it may not flow the way you intended it to.



~Where the h3ll is kremesaver?~

Well, thus far, the only ensembles who have played my music, that I know of(People sometimes steal off the Finale Showcase), are ensembles that I have been able to teach to within the Augusta area such as high schools and the All Star band. If I ever get recognition enough to be able to sell my music, that's when I give up my right to gripe....

I am a music major, and I have done recitals. The only factor that has ever affected my performance is nerves, and I have never had bad nerves in a group preformance. Not even my 1st performance @ the S, but that's just me. Perfect practice makes perfect performance. There is no acceptable reason, in my eyes, why a performance should turn out worse than rehearsal. If you practice how you intend to execute, outside of a freak- accident, nothing should alter your abilities. I do understand the world isn't perfect and isht happens.

 

[ClevePVAMU]

That dude plays NO GAMES when it comes to his music, and, if all directors/arrangers take that attitude, we wouldn't even be talkin' bout this.

Oh, the thoughts that run through my head when someone butchers some music that I spent some TIME to work on...

:kaioken: :saw: :splat: :shame:

 

[mustardmanSU_04]

Oh, the thoughts that run through my head when someone butchers some music that I spent some TIME to work on...

:kaioken: :saw: :splat: :shame:

THAT is all I'm saying. What did the director/arranger say after that performance?!

 

[Legend35]

Well, thus far, the only ensembles who have played my music, that I know of(People sometimes steal off the Finale Showcase), are ensembles that I have been able to teach to within the Augusta area such as high schools and the All Star band. If I ever get recognition enough to be able to sell my music, that's when I give up my right to gripe....

I am a music major, and I have done recitals. The only factor that has ever affected my performance is nerves, and I have never had bad nerves in a group preformance. Not even my 1st performance @ the S, but that's just me. Perfect practice makes perfect performance. There is no acceptable reason, in my eyes, why a performance should turn out worse than rehearsal. If you practice how you intend to execute, outside of a freak- accident, nothing should alter your abilities. I do understand the world isn't perfect and isht happens.

OK,...I'm with you.
We all need to know a little more about music law.

 

[Beaver03]

:sperm: Well GRAMBLING band must be one of the best bands in the land because yall always got something t o say so we must be on your mind 24 hours a day GSU will always be called for 1st because the WORLD FAMED tiger marching band will always be the best in the past present and future so u do u and let GRAMBLING worry about pleasing the crowd as long as u hate we must be doing something right to keep us on your mind so get off our :sperm: :sperm: :sperm: :sperm: :sperm: before u get a cum over dose

 

[ZNSPR8502]

OK,...we've got problems here.
Again,...what does loudness have to do with anything?
I still like and probably will always like our arrangements better than Southerns. That's just my style. "Yesterday" and "Distant Lover" had some beautiful resolutions in it. I'm just a man who appreciates color over power anyday.

First, loudness is one of the dynamic extremes used when effectively communicating the emotion of the music being played. In marching band, it critical a lot of times to ensure a majority, if not all, of its audience can actually hear what is being played. Facilities like the Superdome simply suck you up. Sure you can mic the band to help resolve that. However, miced marching band just diminishes the quality of the sound for me, it cheapens it to me. Give me that natural woodwind and bass sound over miced any day, except for a solo from time to time.

I don't believe in a loud only band either. Dynamics and emotion in your music is critical as is a mixture of up tempo and ballad; ole school and current charts; etc...

However, I think this is turning into a GSU vs SU conversation and I'm not trying to go there. You are a "World Famed" and I'm a "Jukebox". Certainly, you are going to prefer the way GSU does things over SU and I'm sure it is obvious I'm going to prefer SU's method better than GSU's. So, don't let us get side tracked on that. I'm simply asking all of us to maintain a musician?s decorum when we post and not a street, negative, attacking disposition with one another. As musicians, we are, or at should be, far better than that. Our mere nature is to act in harmony, even when it isn't traditional we act in modes like fusion which turns out to still be in harmony. Even when a number of us are going in different directions or found in the middle of a chase, it is still in harmony with everyone supporting its part strongly and effectively and thereby enhancing the subject (harmony) of the moment.

Peace...

 

[JR]

First, loudness is one of the dynamic extremes used when effectively communicating the emotion of the music being played. In marching band, it critical a lot of times to ensure a majority, if not all, of its audience can actually hear what is being played. Facilities like the Superdome simply suck you up. Sure you can mic the band to help resolve that. However, miced marching band just diminishes the quality of the sound for me, it cheapens it to me. Give me that natural woodwind and bass sound over miced any day, except for a solo from time to time.

I don't believe in a loud only band either. Dynamics and emotion in your music is critical as is a mixture of up tempo and ballad; ole school and current charts; etc...

However, I think this is turning into a GSU vs SU conversation and I'm not trying to go there. You are a "World Famed" and I'm a "Jukebox". Certainly, you are going to prefer the way GSU does things over SU and I'm sure it is obvious I'm going to prefer SU's method better than GSU's. So, don't let us get side tracked on that. I'm simply asking all of us to maintain a musician?s decorum when we post and not a street, negative, attacking disposition with one another. As musicians, we are, or at should be, far better than that. Our mere nature is to act in harmony, even when it isn't traditional we act in modes like fusion which turns out to still be in harmony. Even when a number of us are going in different directions or found in the middle of a chase, it is still in harmony with everyone supporting its part strongly and effectively and thereby enhancing the subject (harmony) of the moment.

Peace...

LB, you are wasting your time with some of the folks. Legend is cool though. He is a bandsman through and through from his posts. Most of these posts come from folks that need to feel superior whether it is one of ours or their's. I miss the days when you just let your work do the talking. It has gotten so personal these days. I have no ill will towards any band. I respect the craft too much. But as you put it, we all prefer the style we marched in. I mean we should since we picked our respective schools to attend and play for. For the folks who don't like SU and our style, it is no problem for me because I probably don't like your style........but if you give a good performance, I have no problem giving credit. I really don't compare bands to SU. I usually compare past bands of the school to current ones. That is easier for me. Just like you said about PV. I like what the newer versions of PV band has done versus what we saw during our times. Then on the other hand I like the old Boom, Ocean and the 70s to early 80s GSU bands. Or the old Valley bands. Maybe all this personal feelings about each other bands will subside one day and everybody can respect the other.