Grambling vs. Alabama A&M football game moved!


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Don't worry. Be happy.

What REALLY is there to be upset about?

Mr SWAC - the fact that ESPN pays large chedda to even the mediocre HWCUs for the rights to broadcast their football games.

The fact that HWCU conferences negotiate well-conceived and profitable deals

The fact that HBCU football, in the eyes of most networks, is worthless.

The fact that HBCUs are producing fewer and fewer NFL draft picks

There is plenty to be upset about if you understand the facts and don't instantly fall for the okey-doke.
 
Mister.Earl said:
Don't worry. Be happy.

What REALLY is there to be upset about?

Mr SWAC - the fact that ESPN pays large chedda to even the mediocre HWCUs for the rights to broadcast their football games.

The fact that HWCU conferences negotiate well-conceived and profitable deals

The fact that HBCU football, in the eyes of most networks, is worthless.

The fact that HBCUs are producing fewer and fewer NFL draft picks

There is plenty to be upset about if you understand the facts and don't instantly fall for the okey-doke.
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So Mister Earle...

If your "opinions" above held true, but we were NOT shown on tv AT ALL....would you feel better then?!?!?! :xeye: :confused:
 



Mister.Earl said:
Don't worry. Be happy.

What REALLY is there to be upset about?

Mr SWAC - the fact that ESPN pays large chedda to even the mediocre HWCUs for the rights to broadcast their football games.

The fact that HWCU conferences negotiate well-conceived and profitable deals

The fact that HBCU football, in the eyes of most networks, is worthless.

The fact that HBCUs are producing fewer and fewer NFL draft picks

There is plenty to be upset about if you understand the facts and don't instantly fall for the okey-doke.
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Do you know the terms of the contract??? I don't, but I'd love to know. Do you know for a fact that this contract is "the okey-doke"???
 
Ntelekt - let me put it another way.

What would the National Football League owners do with Paul Tagliabue if he simply gave away the rights to broadcast the NFL on Fox for "exposure"?

C'mon bro, work with me here.

The core question is does HBCU football have a cash value?

If so, what is it?

If not, why not?
 
Do you know for a fact that this contract is "the okey-doke"?

Robber - I know for a fect that the major networks are cuthroat when it comes to negotiations and do not "give" anything away for a product with no established value or "clearance" value.

Compared to the 1A cash cows, in the eyes of network executives HBCU football is still perceived as an inferior product not worthy of investment.

Fact
 
OK, now I have to respond.

Mr. Earl,

Are you saying that because a network has offered to give us the exposure that so many have complained that we don't get, is somehow taking advantage of us to do so? And if so, you need to explain how they are doing this. Simply rambling on and on is not giving any kind of definitive answer.

What's the big deal about moving a game from a Saturday to a Thursday to accomodate a television broadcast? The HWCUs do it all the time.

Some folks just aren't satisfied with ANYTHING!


:smh:
 
Mister.Earl said:
Do you know for a fact that this contract is "the okey-doke"?

Robber - I know for a fect that the major networks are cuthroat when it comes to negotiations and do not "give" anything away for a product with no established value or "clearance" value.

Compared to the 1A cash cows, in the eyes of network executives HBCU football is still perceived as an inferior product not worthy of investment.

Fact
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That's an obvious fact, but mid-majors and 1-AA PWCs are seen as inferior to the 1A cash cows as well. But unless you know the actual details of the contract, your assertions that we've been had are baseless opinions and no more. The real question is, how many PWC 1-AA conferences have TV deals that compare favorably to what the SWAC and MEAC have received?
 
JaguarNation99 said:
The real question is, how many PWC 1-AA conferences have TV deals that compare favorably to what the SWAC and MEAC have received?
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Co-sign. :tup:


There will always be those that will look at the glass as half empty, rather than half full.
 
AAMU Alum said:
There will always be those that will look at the glass as half empty, rather than half full.
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Say it again bruh.

Mr. E, the day the SWAC reaches the level of the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, Big East, and Pac 10, will be the day that the SWAC can command the type of money those conferences are getting, cuz trust me, those are the only conferences getting MAJOR MONEY from the networks. The mid-majors, maybe getting more than the SWAC, and MEAC, but I'd be surprised if it's by a large sum, because the only way you're going to see them is on Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday just like the SWAC. Every now, and then if one of their teams catch fire, you may see them on ESPN 2 on a Saturday afternoon, but it's not a weekly thing.

There's a reason those schools are not affililiated with a bowl game past December 30th, and you won't see one of their match-ups on a Saturday afternoon on a major network.

The bottom line is, you get in where you fit in. Thursday night exposure is better than no exposure at all. The way some of you think, makes me really believe the only way you want to be seen on television, is when the teams, and bands are fighting.

For conversation sake though, do you know of a better deal that was on the table for televising SWAC games that was turned down by the SWAC office?

NICE
 
Mister.Earl said:
The fact that HWCU conferences negotiate well-conceived and profitable deals.
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Mister.Earl

I'm pretty sure the SWAC has it's paid lawyers negotiate the contracts of the conference. That's how things is done today. Even myself have a lawyer review over contracts that I'm not sure about, and I ain't got any money. Right now it just appears that you assume too much. You give the PWCs the benefit of the doubt, but the HBCUs can do no right.

I know you are trying to be objective and all, but... stop.

D-NICE asked a real good question. Could you please answer him. We all would like to know that.
 
DNice,

Good response and right on the money.

To answer the question for the guy that knows it all. The SWAC could have gone with two cable networks to get a deal done. Both are start ups and have national exposure. Both are premium cable outlets and are offered in almost every market or soon to be. The deal with ESPNU is a good deal, from what I have seen and been informed. It allows us to be on TV without tape delay and gives us the time on Thursday and possibly a few Saturdays. That in itself is better than some of the other mid-majors and 1aa conferences have. IT also allows for home games that would make little money if any to change that negative to a positive in the bank account.

To be real, I don't think alot of people understand how this works. So, what if the crowds aren't there. They will come in the years to come. I've watched the Southland conference for years on Fox Sports Net with small crowds and I haven't seen them whining about it. You know why? They were to busy counting the money that they made off their deals. With the support of the fans of each school. The SWAC could move forward faster than any conference because we do have a better fan base and bands that people want to see on a regular basis. We have a product that the other conferences don't have and it is up to us to make it work for us. This is why alot of outsiders want to play us, for the entertainment and hopefully for the competition that we will bring in years to come.

The SWAC will become better for this decision and you will see growth that you have never seen before, because all of these kids that we recruit want to play on TV and want the best exposure they can get if they can't get it at the 1A level.
 
I just wanna know if we're getting paid any money. I'm all for exposure but we have to be getting some money out of this deal DIRECTLY, as opposed to having expectations of indirect monies from being seen on TV.

If anyone has an idea, let us know. We SOLD the rights to broadcast these games. I hope it was more than a barter system deal.
 
Robber said:
I just wanna know if we're getting paid any money. I'm all for exposure but we have to be getting some money out of this deal DIRECTLY, as opposed to having expectations of indirect monies from being seen on TV.

If anyone has an idea, let us know. We SOLD the rights to broadcast these games. I hope it was more than a barter system deal.
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Robber,

From what I have been told we will make some money. Especially, for the games that would barely draw enough to do so on it's on without TV. What I haven't heard is, if we still had a contract with BET for the SCG. If we do, that means we have to honor it and we will be back to delayed broadcasts, except for the HDNet feed.
 
SOme black folk will never be satisfied. We B**CH about not being on TV other than delayed BET, and then we B**CH about being on TV on thursdays rather than on saturdays. No one knows what type of money is involved. This is good exposure for the SWAC. Just get ESPNU and support the game. Help the ratings which helps us get on TV more............. :idea:
 
GMan - please don't automaticaly lump my comments into some complaint bag. Being on television is a great thing but understand my point is the carrot of "exposure" used against HBCUs is no longer appropriate. Especially when it comes to the priviledge of changing dates, the networks MUST pay, and pay dearly,, for that right.

I am not a person to simply ***** and moan, but I believe in the value of our product and the value of our property. If you have any doubt about the amount of money generated by television, do the homework and compare the deals of the ACC.

Yes, a larger conference to be certain, but when you look at our collective audience, the numbers could surprise you. when you understand how Black folks consume television.

No my brotha,, this is not a ***** session, just a friendly reminder that "exposure" is the LAST thing that drives a business negotiation. Until we understand how to scientifically harness our magnificent product, it will be pimped to the benefit of everyone but our institutions who need the financial support most.

It's tim,e to get beyond the thrill of simply seeing an HNCU game on television and unedrstand it's only about money.. ain't a damn thing funny.

Until someone shows proof that someone stood up and fought for the value of HBCUs in front of the broadcast "suits" at ESPN I remain unconvinced

Peace out

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The real question is, how many PWC 1-AA conferences have TV deals that compare favorably to what the SWAC and MEAC have received?

JaguarNation99 - you are on the right track

do the homework
 
Mister.Earl said:
It's tim,e to get beyond the thrill of simply seeing an HNCU game on television and unedrstand it's only about money.. ain't a damn thing funny.

Until someone shows proof that someone stood up and fought for the value of HBCUs in front of the broadcast "suits" at ESPN I remain unconvinced
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So, Mister Earl...

How did you feel about the SWAC television coverage (or lack thereof) as a whole LAST YEAR?

ESPN wasn't even an option, so the "pimped" aspect may not exactly apply there.

The deal possibly may not be the best...but it is more than we've had before, and that's a dayum good start IMHO.

What do you see as the solution to our dilemma?
 
Ntelekt - "pimped" applies perfectly as ESPNU is a subscription service.

The deal possibly may not be the best...but it is more than we've had before, and that's a dayum good start IMHO.

Daum good start on the way to where?

Ntelekt - if it doesn't include a commensurate cash payout to the conferences, the so-called "deal", sucks. Plain and simple.

"What do you see as the solution to our dilemma?"

A. For starters..... The ESPNU games are on a digital tier. In the new broadcast universe of electronic capture of data and ratings for subscriber services, why didn't someone think to allow HBCUs, who bring an entireley new audience, to share in the new revenue stream?

Other than cheesin' in a camera.... What is the direct benefit to the schools?

I'm jus' axin.
 
Mister.Earl said:
The real question is, how many PWC 1-AA conferences have TV deals that compare favorably to what the SWAC and MEAC have received?

JaguarNation99 - you are on the right track

do the homework
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Well here's the problem, you're going on about how this deal is bad, yet you've presented nothing indicating that we're getting screwed. No I-AA PWC conference will have games televised nationally live on a weekly basis.

You complain that we have to move some games to Thursday, your complaint would be valid if it was only the SWAC that was asked to do so. Conferences such as the MAC have played on Thursday for years, even the University of Miami played on Thursday twice just last year. I've seen ACC games on Thursday as well, so that just doesn't hold water.

Exactly what new audience are HBCUs bringing in? Most HBCU fans are fans of sports in general, so we won't be bringing in a ton of fans that aren't already watching the ACC, Big 10, SEC, etc.

Athletic Directors have stated that schools will have positive cashflow from the deal. You claim this isn't a b@tch and moan session, but it's pretty much what it seems like. If you have concrete evidence that we're getting screwed, present it to us, otherwise let it go.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
Well here's the problem, you're going on about how this deal is bad, yet you've presented nothing indicating that we're getting screwed. No I-AA PWC conference will have games televised nationally live on a weekly basis.

You complain that we have to move some games to Thursday, your complaint would be valid if it was only the SWAC that was asked to do so. Conferences such as the MAC have played on Thursday for years, even the University of Miami played on Thursday twice just last year. I've seen ACC games on Thursday as well, so that just doesn't hold water.

Exactly what new audience are HBCUs bringing in? Most HBCU fans are fans of sports in general, so we won't be bringing in a ton of fans that aren't already watching the ACC, Big 10, SEC, etc.

Athletic Directors have stated that schools will have positive cashflow from the deal. You claim this isn't a b@tch and moan session, but it's pretty much what it seems like. If you have concrete evidence that we're getting screwed, present it to us, otherwise let it go.
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:tup:
 
Mister.Earl said:
"What do you see as the solution to our dilemma?"

A. For starters..... The ESPNU games are on a digital tier. In the new broadcast universe of electronic capture of data and ratings for subscriber services, why didn't someone think to allow HBCUs, who bring an entireley new audience, to share in the new revenue stream?
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I don't understand your answer.
 
I don't know what the army says, but my moms says that when you assume, you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me".
 
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