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I recall hearing commentators of division I basketball games saying that a particular player is on an academic scholarship. I believe that Robert Smith was on an academic scholarship while he played football for Ohio State, he had run-ins with the coach because he was sometime in the lab rather at some required work-out.
 
So Grambling,

Basically you're deferring scholarships that would otherwise go to students in the 'general' population and handing them to athletes (that happen to meet the requirements) to stockpile talent. You're right, it isn't illegal. But is it ethical?
 



Originally posted by BgJag


I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest with you but I follows the administrative side of how our universities are run, including gram. You can't compare gram with lsu they operate different. Gram has an open admittance policy and no one else does. You have a large number of out of state student, you loss over half of your student body population in the last 10 years but were still operating the same. Granting waiver for out of state students. All of this eqaute to loss revenue. Now what does this have to do with the sport program? You figure that out it's your school. Save it or lose it.

Move on, I'm finished.
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Just like I thought. You don't have an answer. Because one thing has nothing to do with the other.
 
Originally posted by HBCUs
So Grambling,

Basically you're deferring scholarships that would otherwise go to students in the 'general' population and handing them to athletes (that happen to meet the requirements) to stockpile talent. You're right, it isn't illegal. But is it ethical?
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Dude you are missing the point. Grambling doesn't give the money to TOPS students, the State (LA) does. There are no limits from the state. If a student qualifies, he gets the money from the state regardless if he plays football, basketball, baseball, or no sport at all. Nothing is being deferred.

Why waste one of your 63 scholarships on a person who can get free money from somewhere else to pay for his education? And again, if what we are doing is so wrong, why hasn't the NCAA done anything about it?
 
I guess I see what you're saying SOGGY.
The state of GA has the HOPE scholarship for any GA resident who meets certain requirements.
But I will say that I have NO idea if the schools here are using that to offset athletic scholarships.


The more I think about it, the more it doesn't seem fair to the states who don't offer scholarships like that. Or to be honest, it's kinda a way around the rules.
Just recruit a large number of kids, the ones who qualify for the TOPS or HOPE scholarship, you give them that (or should I say, let the state give them that). The ones who don't qualify for those scholarships, you give them an athletic scholarship.
 
As long as Gram has not given over 63 ATHLETIC scholarships, they are in conformity with 1-AA laws.

I think waiving out of state fees is a hindrance to revenue but it is the universities decision. From a social standpoint, I would alter this to consider family income. Hence, only those coming from lower socio economic backgrounds would be able to capitalize on an out of state waiver. But, I guess this is the reason that Gram has the highest percentage wise, out of state population in Louisiana. If it is true that TOPS is given to out of state students, I think that is also a hindrance to revenue for the state of Louisiana. Folks, I dont think that Grams athletic compliance officer will allow them to do anything wrong.
 
MH,

I don't know about GA, but the TOPS program was designed as an incentive to Louisiana high school students to keep them from attending colleges out side the state.
 
I guess it's all in the way it's reported.
When you hear these big numbers of signings tossed out every year, surely it'll raise eyebrows. Especially if the news release is saying you signed those guys. The natural inclination is to think that you signed them to athletic scholarships.

I'm still not sold on this or we don't have all the info. Cause it can't be this "easy" to do.
 
MH,

Nobody said it was easy. If it were that easy then everyone would do it. If you guys don't give Doug credit for anything else, you can't say he can't recruit.

But despite all that has been said, did any of you ever think that maybe these cats just want to play at Grambling?
 
Originally posted by JROCK
Folks, I dont think that Grams athletic compliance officer will allow them to do anything wrong.
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Never implied they were doing anything wrong, just their priorities and the way they have done business in the past is wrong. Anytime you transfer funds from academic to your sport program something is wrong. They can recruit 100 players I don't care but for gram to survive some things have to change. There was an article just recently slamming the state higher education. It mentioned that we have too many universities, didn't name names but if the power to be were to take that issue up who would be first on the chopping block?

I have 2 daughters in college in this state so I'm familiar with the tops program. Think it's a great idea it give the resident a chance to attend college or technical school to further their education. My youngest attend Xavier, since it's private she only receives partial tuition. You must have a minimum of 20 on the ACT which changes each year basic on the state average from the previous year score, but no lower than 19. And to maintain your eligiblity you must complete/pass a certain number of credits and maintain a certain gpa.

Now if you wants to know how all this have to do with gram start a thread in roundtable and we can exchange views.
 
SOG,
My point is that if all you got to do is "give" out TOPS and HOPE scholarships to your athletes, all the schools in Louisiana and Georgia would be doing that and announcing big classes every year.
 
Originally posted by BgJag

Now if you wants to know how all this have to do with gram start a thread in roundtable and we can exchange views.
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Dude, that ain't necessary. I don't think anyone on here really gives a dayum. If it bothers you that much, you start the thread.
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
SOG,
My point is that if all you got to do is "give" out TOPS and HOPE scholarships to your athletes, all the schools in Louisiana and Georgia would be doing that and announcing big classes every year.
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Not possible, because the students have to meet certain requirements to get funding. All student athletes are not going to qualify for this.
 
Originally posted by SAME OLD G


Dude, that ain't necessary. I don't think anyone on here really gives a dayum. If it bothers you that much, you start the thread.
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Didn't think you would.
 



something is rotten in Grambling. The more I think about it, the more I"m convinced that something, something just aint right.


btw, this BgJag/SOGGY "rivalry" is really funny!
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
SOG,
My point is that if all you got to do is "give" out TOPS and HOPE scholarships to your athletes, all the schools in Louisiana and Georgia would be doing that and announcing big classes every year.
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This is true.
 
I think a few things have to be considered when talking scholarships and signings. Some of these kids will not use a "full" scholarship. They will qualify for the maximam federal and state grants that they must apply for as a condition for signing. Also, some will qualify for academic assistance or scholarships. This will not count against the football scholarship cap. Some will sign baseball, track or even tennis scholarships. These will not count against the football cap.

These kids are being announced as football signees because thats what is bringing them to the various schools, but there are some backdoors and loopholes that cover the teams to avoid the cap on scholarships.
 
Originally posted by HBCUs
So Grambling,

Basically you're deferring scholarships that would otherwise go to students in the 'general' population and handing them to athletes (that happen to meet the requirements) to stockpile talent. You're right, it isn't illegal. But is it ethical?
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DAMN DAWG
 
Why is this such a big issue?

I am sure, that like any other program, we are doing everything by the book. Anything else is purely speculation. As for the the LA tops program, and the GA Hope scholorship, they are basically the same programs, and I do know that UGA has used this to its advantage on some occasions(just as LSU has), and that is coming straight from the players themselves. To what extent, I have no idea. Just as I have no idea the extent that GSU uses this with its sports programs.

One thing I can say is that the use of TOPS is not the industry standard. It is not as prevelanat as most of you may have derived from SOG's post. We have a maximum number of players we can have on scholorship, and a maximum number we can carry on a team. We are in compliance with both rules.

I think all of you are overlooking the fact that signing a player does not equal him having a football schlorship for more than one year, nor does it ensure that he ever arrives on campus. Plus Doug uses the Prop 48 players to his programs advantage. Unlike many schools, we still have open admissions(for a few more year anyway), and he is able to recruit these players who may not qualify at other schools due to accademic reasons. Because they are Prop 48 players, they may sign, but are not eligible for athletic schlorships. Therefore not counting against the available football schlorships.

Now anything else that you people come up with is just speculation at its best.
 
can't stockpile in Texas either. If we could, the Panthers would have been better despite not having scholarships thanks to the "unlimited" financial aid.
 
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