Grambling out of the SWAC and goes Independent?


I would like to see Gram remain in the SWAC. Hopefully the NCAA will go back to allowing 12 games per season. We could then play two money games against D1A's, a DIAA non-conference, and a home game at the end of each season. Use the proceeds from the D1A games to pay a team to come to Grambling...just don't let it be the same team each year.
 
G-Men had a lot of successful in the SWAC. I really don't want to see the G-Men leaving the SWAC because the SWAC is trying very hard to promote the colleges in the SWAC( Not saying that the G-Men needed it). But the G-men should look into beinging a D-1AA indepent to look for a greater challenged.
 



Somebody -- I think from a Jackson TV station -- asked Doug about this after the Savannah State game.

His reply?
"Grambling will be in the SWAC for the next 100 years."

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It because of the line of thinking some of you have that blacks don't have anything today. We are so darn quick to leave or give up what is ours and what we've been blessed with to go and chase something somebody else has. The sad thing is most of time the folks telling black to leave what's theirs don't support theirs. For example, HBCU alums aren't active alums, don't contribute to their alumni, school, graduated college, athletic program, etc... but, they are ones to say leave what yours and go to something that isn't designed for you to succeed.

TnSU hasn't been financially successful since they got caught outside of a HBCU conference and forced to be in the OHio Valley by state mandate. Blacks aren't interested in seeing a Black school against white schools. Simply, because we have rivalries among one another. It is similar to when Arkansas joined the SEC. They no longer had the following they had before, because their fans had the rivalries with the Texas and Oklahoma teams, not SEC teams.

Blacks need to learn to support what is theirs and make it strong. Whites respect us for who we are. Why don't we? They want to plays us to make money off of us. Once you leave what is yours, you don't have the attraction anymore.

PEACE!!!
 
Originally posted by MikeBigg
Someone mentioned that we would not be in the NCAA post-season events. Well, we hadn't been in a while anyway. But whats to stop GSU from being independent in football only. We could remain affiliated in other sports. But from the sentiments expressed here...most of you would probably petition your presidents to vote no. C'mon people, let's be bigger than that!
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I don't think the fans would have anything to do with presidents voting no to keep GSU in the SWAC. Based on the sentiments that I've seen GSU posters express, seems that you all think you have outgrown the SWAC and are too good for the SWAC and would be better off without the SWAC. If you have outgrown the SWAC then you should go in all areas. It seems risky to plan to only leave in football. You can't expect the SWAC to have your back when you leave its main sports revenue generator. I don't really see a benefit to keep you in the other sports. Wouldn't the SWAC would want to completely replace you with a school that wants to join the conference.

I haven't followed the FAMU/MEAC situation closely. Are they only moving out of the MEAC in football or will they be looking for a conference for all sports?
 
Originally posted by MACHIAVELLI
The ICON can still play the SWAC money games Bayou Classic, State Fair Classic & alcorn/jackson home and home. That will leave 7 games to wheel and deal.:D
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You would not be playing Jackson State in football if you went independent. Also for all of you big headed GSU fans, what would you be without SU, JSU and Alcorn???? Gram has been held up financially by these three schools over the last 10-15 years.
 
By all means. If gsu feel the itch to enter the world of 1-aa independent. All is needed is to petition your adminstration. They seem to be riding high right now. But things are about to change in the near future(2005). Most had forgot or never paid attention to the last school hearing. One of those things that came from the hearing will have an affect on your athletic program. It's call selective admission. Where students and students athletes will have to reach a certain gpa before enrolling. Also, in the report it stated that
the athletic programs, probably football was skimming a bit to much from the general budget. Before you make a unwise move wait until after the new standard are put into place. If the athletes you are recruiting are still able to gain admission, by all means. Go find that pot of gold .
Just remember ... Focus on the whole picture. Other than football what's gsu V.A.P. on the sports market.:D
 
Attendance record last three years

Home games in red

Blue indicates homecoming







Southwestern Athletic Conference-2003
Grambling State Game Results (Through games of Nov 16, 2003)
All games


Overall Conference
Date Opponent Score Record Record Attend
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Aug 23, 2003 at San Jose State 0-29 L 0- 1- 0 0- 0- 0 31681

Sep 06,2003 at Alcorn State W 40-28 1- 1- 0 0- 0- 0 20085

*Sep 13, 2003 vs Alabama A&M W 45-14 2- 1- 0 1- 0- 0 6962

Sep 20, 2003 MCNEESE STATE 20-31 L 2- 2- 0 1- 0- 0 17485

* Oct 04, 2003 vs Prairie View A&M W 65-7 3- 2- 0 2- 0- 0 55432

* Oct 11, 2003 MISS. VALLEY STATE W 45-6 4- 2- 0 3- 0- 0 6397

* Oct 18, 2003 at Ark.-Pine Bluff W 41-16 5- 2- 0 4- 0- 0 7025

* Oct 25, 2003 at Jackson State W 24-17 6- 2- 0 5- 0- 0 5000

* Nov 01, 2003 TEXAS SOUTHERN W 48-15 7- 2- 0 6- 0- 0 21065

Nov 08, 2003 at Alabama State W 37-34 8- 2- 0 6- 0- 0 8124

Nov 15, 2003 SAVANNAH ST. W 33-17 9- 2- 0 6- 0- 0 3001

* indicates conference game









2002 Southwestern Athletic Conference
Grambling State Game Results (-2002 SEASON FINAL-)
All games


Overall Conference
Date Opponent Score Record Record Attend
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Aug 31, 2002 at McNeese State 20-52 L 0- 1- 0 0- 0- 0 20300

* Sep 07, 2002 ALCORN STATE W 41-35 1- 1- 0 1- 0- 0 11880

Sep 14, 2002 at Alabama A&M W 23-13 2- 1- 0 1- 0- 0 6785

Sep 21, 2002 TENNESSEE STATE W 49-14 3- 1- 0 1- 0- 0 22537

Sep 28, 2002 LANGSTON W 37-30 4- 1- 0 1- 0- 0 6975

* Oct 05, 2002 vs Prairie View A&M W 35-13 5- 1- 0 2- 0- 0 42622

* Oct 19, 2002 vs Arkansas-Pine Bluff W 54-15 6- 1- 0 3- 0- 0 11017

* Oct 26, 2002 JACKSON STATE W 52-31 7- 1- 0 4- 0- 0 9462

* Nov 02, 2002 at Texas Southern W 42-28 8- 1- 0 5- 0- 0 10635

* Nov 09, 2002 ALABAMA STATE W 34-21 9- 1- 0 6- 0- 0 16723

Nov 16, 2002 at Morris Brown W 64-36 10- 1- 0 6- 0- 0 8653








2001 SOUTHWESTERN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE
Grambling State Game Results (Through games of Dec 03, 2001)
All games


Overall Conference
Date Opponent Score Record Record Attend
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* Sep 01, 2001 at Alcorn State W 37-22 1- 0- 0 1- 0- 0 17500

Sep 08, 2001 ALABAMA A&M W 30-7 2- 0- 0 1- 0- 0 7432

Sep 22, 2001 at Portland State W 30-29 3- 0- 0 1- 0- 0 16171

* Sep 29, 2001 vs Prairie View A&M W 40-6 4- 0- 0 2- 0- 0 51149

* Oct 13, 2001 vs Arkansas-Pine Bluff W 60-7 5- 0- 0 3- 0- 0 17939

* Oct 20, 2001 at Jackson State W 30-16 6- 0- 0 4- 0- 0 25600

* Oct 27, 2001 TEXAS SOUTHERN W 43-3 7- 0- 0 5- 0- 0 22736

* Nov 03, 2001 at Alabama State 38-45 L 7- 1- 0 5- 1- 0 13029

Nov 10, 2001 at Nicholls State W 37-28 8- 1- 0 5- 1- 0 7371
 
Re: Re: With no pun intended.....

Originally posted by GSUperTiger
Another emotion-filled post with incoherent rhetoric..... What does Grambling's other sports have to do with the topic? All are D-1A. The only program that can go independent is Grambling due to our storied name and consistent play. It seems like it really pains you SU folk realizing that Southern does not have 5% of the glory and renowned acclaim of Grambling nationally. International acclaim has been the Grambling focus since the Korean War. This focus and Doug's coaching accomplishments has placed Grambling as the only program to create intriguing matchups like a Grambling/Rutgers or game in Hawaii -- which has been discussed.
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The only thing that is incoherent would be your myopia. You asked what does other sports have to do with football. Your myopia allows you to think that the other institutions would allow you to compete in the SWAC with other sports. You have surely lost your mind. And you need to stop the rhetoric about how great GSU is. You sound like a walking/posting bill board. Everyone knows what Grambling has accomplished.

BTW, you mentioned "emotion filled." Don't get it twisted, I really dont care what Grambling does.
 
It's not big-headed, it's just pondering what is the best course of action for our program. Don't we have that right? It's pathetic that we can't have dialogue to discuss a serious senario without the resentment and frustration of a 2-9 campaign rearing it's ugly head. At least we know how to hire a head coach.

I personally would like to remain in the SWAC. But I think all of the teams need to be free from the mandatory scheduling requirement involving league play (especially in a 12 game season). I would like to see Grambling get a chance to play Notre Dame during Coach Rob's lifetime. It's a game that he should have had the opportunity to coach in...but at least now it could be done in his lifetime. Another game I think we could negotiate would be to play the University of South Florida. They are located in Tampa, Fla and the AD is Doug's former teammate Leroy Selmon. While we're at it, why not negotiate with University of Hawaii (our players would enjoy the trip and it's good for recruiting).

Once we schedule these type games, we could return to our home and home schedule versus SWAC schools.
 
I have seen two posters complain about the SWAC mandatory schedule but again I ask (for the 10th time) who else besides me has e-mailed the Vowels with your concerns???

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It's a shame that we can post on here everyday, yet not find a second to try to maintain some dignity in our conference.
 
You Grambling hypocrits. You don't seem to have a problem bringing up the championship you won LAST year. So, don't talk about that now. Doug Williams, YOUR coach, has mentioned on more than one occassion that if it was left up to him, he would play an all HBCU schedule. That's right out of Doug's mouth.

Secondly, you haven't beaten anyone outside of the SWAC to even give credence to playing other teams in other conferences. You have not beaten McNeese at all and San Jose State is one of the worst 1-A programs in the world. So what gives any of you the gall to believe that you are worthy of leaving the SWAC and having any margin of success against anybody that is not an HBCU. The only thing being an independent would do is allow you to schedule maybe four games against other 1-AA conference teams, all of which you will probably lose. Depending on who else you would schedule, you would only win your games against some SWAC members and maybe a few MEAC folks.

Don't delude yourselves into thinking a little SWAC success goes a long way towards making you less of an embarrassment in the eyes of PWCs. It doesnt.

You are not ready to be anything but SWAC Champions and if everything goes as normal, you will probably lose to Southern and this entire conversation is mute.
 
You are right, Diesel, the conversation is moot.

As I said earlier ...
Originally posted by lightningbug
Somebody -- I think from a Jackson TV station -- asked Doug about this after the Savannah State game.

His reply?
"Grambling will be in the SWAC for the next 100 years."
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Originally posted by Diesel
You Grambling hypocrits. You don't seem to have a problem bringing up the championship you won LAST year. So, don't talk about that now. Doug Williams, YOUR coach, has mentioned on more than one occassion that if it was left up to him, he would play an all HBCU schedule. That's right out of Doug's mouth.

Secondly, you haven't beaten anyone outside of the SWAC to even give credence to playing other teams in other conferences. You have not beaten McNeese at all and San Jose State is one of the worst 1-A programs in the world. So what gives any of you the gall to believe that you are worthy of leaving the SWAC and having any margin of success against anybody that is not an HBCU. The only thing being an independent would do is allow you to schedule maybe four games against other 1-AA conference teams, all of which you will probably lose. Depending on who else you would schedule, you would only win your games against some SWAC members and maybe a few MEAC folks.

Don't delude yourselves into thinking a little SWAC success goes a long way towards making you less of an embarrassment in the eyes of PWCs. It doesnt.

You are not ready to be anything but SWAC Champions and if everything goes as normal, you will probably lose to Southern and this entire conversation is mute.
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We did play Portland State at Portland State in 2001. Oh and we did win too
 
I hope nobody is taking this crab post serious. Gram has far to many other concern than to be talking about leaving the SWAC but if they do I wish them luck, b/c they'll need it.
 



Originally posted by BgJag
I hope nobody is taking this crab post serious. Gram has far to many other concern than to be talking about leaving the SWAC but if they do I wish them luck, b/c they'll need it.
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One thing is for sure -- since SU can not win the SWAC, we will never read a thread like this about SU. Your football program simply ain't good enough, but what else is new?
 
Originally posted by GSUperTiger
One thing is for sure -- since SU can not win the SWAC, we will never read a thread like this about SU. Your football program simply ain't good enough, but what else is new?
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If you want to smack go over there>>>>>>>>, I was just giving my unbias opinion on the subject matter. Going independent requires more than a name unless you plan to play all of your games on the road.
 
Originally posted by BgJag
If you want to smack go over there>>>>>>>>, I was just giving my unbias opinion on the subject matter. Going independent requires more than a name unless you plan to play all of your games on the road.
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The sarcasm was apparent in your post, nonetheless, independent status fits Grambling. Our claim to fame was playing in major markets. We are a road team. I beg to differ having a name like Grambling enables being an independent. We can keep our traditional rivals -- Alcorn, J-State, TnSU, FAM -- and take our Greatness across America for the remaining games.
 
The new host of The Doug williams Show ask the question, and Doug said Grambling will be in tha SWAC for a 100 years. But why is he looking to move up and not take the school?
 
Originally posted by WorldFamed-81
The new host of The Doug williams Show ask the question, and Doug said Grambling will be in tha SWAC for a 100 years. But why is he looking to move up and not take the school?
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Maybe you should re-read BgJag post you quoted and re-think your position than you might understand the answer to your own question.
 
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Originally posted by GSUperTiger
One thing is for sure -- since SU can not win the SWAC, we will never read a thread like this about SU. Your football program simply ain't good enough, but what else is new?
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Originally posted by BgJag
If you want to smack go over there>>>>>>>>, I was just giving my unbias opinion on the subject matter. Going independent requires more than a name unless you plan to play all of your games on the road.
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That is not smack.
 
Originally posted by COACH
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Originally posted by GSUperTiger
One thing is for sure -- since SU can not win the SWAC, we will never read a thread like this about SU. Your football program simply ain't good enough, but what else is new?
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That is not smack.
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If you don't think it is "smack,"it merely shows how misinformed you are. The entire thread is based on a delusional premise. Some of you take facts personal which is unforturnate.
 
Originally posted by BgJag
I hope nobody is taking this crab post serious. Gram has far to many other concern than to be talking about leaving the SWAC but if they do I wish them luck, b/c they'll need it.
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I was stating the facts that someone has missed on the SPORTS BOARD. So let's keep it real and leave the smack off this thread.
 
Just my opinion, and I felt this way when the FAMU thing dropped:

I wouldn't mind seeing the top HBCU schools making the jump to I-A. However, that would require a SERIOUS financial commitment to facilities, etc. If that were to happen, I think that such a move would be a good one.

Otherwise, remaining in the SWAC is the best for any school in that conference.

BTW, I don't see the SWAC holding Roger Cador's program down...
 
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