Gainous now against move to I-A football


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New SWAC

North Division

Tennessee St.
Alabama A&M
Arkansas Pine-Bluff
Alabama State
Mississippi Valley
Jackson State

South Division

Florida A&M
Alcorn State
Texas Southern
Southern
Grambling
Prarie View A&M

It makes sense in all sense of the matter. Boy this would be a great conference.
 



Re: New SWAC

Originally posted by bighusky00
North Division

Tennessee St.
Alabama A&M
Arkansas Pine-Bluff
Alabama State
Mississippi Valley
Jackson State

South Division

Florida A&M
Alcorn State
Texas Southern
Southern
Grambling
Prarie View A&M

It makes sense in all sense of the matter. Boy this would be a great conference.
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Originally posted by bluedog
SWAC West

Alcorn State *
Alabama State *
Grambling State *
Prairie View A&M
Southern U. *
Texas Southern

SWAC East

Alabama A&M *
Arkansas Pine Bluff
Florida A&M *
Jackson State *
Mississippi Valley
Tennessee State*

Contenders *
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Hmmmmmmmmm******
 
Re: New SWAC

Originally posted by bighusky00
North Division

Tennessee St.
Alabama A&M
Arkansas Pine-Bluff
Alabama State
Mississippi Valley
Jackson State

South Division

Florida A&M
Alcorn State
Texas Southern
Southern
Grambling
Prarie View A&M

It makes sense in all sense of the matter. Boy this would be a great conference.
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:idea: :idea: I can go with this!!
 
Originally posted by webdrone
My understanding is the white folk in Tenn. have made it clear that TsNU ain't going no-where by way of state mandate.

As for getting the rattlers, doesn't SWAC already have enough egomaniacs?
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That's why it's the SWAC!:cool: FAMU would fit right in.
 
Re: New SWAC

Originally posted by bighusky00
North Division

Tennessee St.
Alabama A&M
Arkansas Pine-Bluff
Alabama State
Mississippi Valley
Jackson State

South Division

Florida A&M
Alcorn State
Texas Southern
Southern
Grambling
Prarie View A&M

It makes sense in all sense of the matter. Boy this would be a great conference.
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I think that the problem with your format would be traveling expenses for the Texas&Louisiana/Florida schools matchups. An East/West format would be much more economically acceptable (IMHO).

The ticket.....

Tentative Re-alignment

SWAC West

Alcorn State
Arkansas Pine Bluff
Grambling State
Prairie View A&M
Southern U.
Texas Southern

SWAC East

Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Florida A&M
Jackson State
Mississippi Valley
Tennessee State
 
I am 100% opposed to FAMU joining the SWAC.

TnSt:
The OVC Commissioner must realize that he only control one former HBCU and that is TnSt, therefore, he can keep his opinions to himself about what we do in BCF. TnSt will not leave the OVC any time soon. After attending TnSt. homecoming last year, I came to the conclusion that it a status thing with TSU fans. Those who want to part of BCF voices are being ignored.

The OVC Commissioner knows that TnSt has several big money ball games and the rest of the conference teams have low attendance. Therefore, if TnSt have to give up FAMU, AAMU and JSU they will lose money. The OVC Commissioner know that TSU has it both ways by being in the OVC and still can be associated with BCF.
 
Re: Re: New SWAC

Originally posted by JROCK
I think that the problem with your format would be traveling expenses for the Texas&Louisiana/Florida schools matchups. An East/West format would be much more economically acceptable (IMHO).

The ticket.....

Tentative Re-alignment

SWAC West

Alcorn State
Arkansas Pine Bluff
Grambling State
Prairie View A&M
Southern U.
Texas Southern

SWAC East

Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Florida A&M
Jackson State
Mississippi Valley
Tennessee State
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That's exactly my point too in my new world order JROCK
 
I think they should become an independent at this point.

If FAMU were to join the SWAC, it would a distraction because of their current situation. I think at this point we can accomplish more without them than we can with them being a SWAC member. I don't think the SWAC should approach them to join, but if they want to join they should seek membership into the SWAC.

I cannot support the manner in which the decision was made to leave the MEAC. There is no justification for how they did it. If fact, it seemed that more people was for the move than against it.
 
Originally Posted by Mighty Dog

I think at this point we can accomplish more without them than we can with them being a SWAC member.
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:lmao:

The SWAC should rejoice that you are not the commissioner. :flippy:

Are you crazy? FAMU is the largest HBCU by enrollment (13,000+), Every year they rank in the top 5 in 1AA attendance, They played in 3 of the top 5 Classics this past season. They are in the #1 football state. By adding FAMU the SWAC goes from ZERO playoff wins to having a Championship. And most importantly when it comes to HBCU football FAMU has the largest most talked about band. FAMU will only make the SWAC better and more respected. Adding FAMU, makes the SWAC championship game the real championship game instead of the Bayoo Classic being the Championship game.
 
Yeah I gotta agree with ya, MH.... huh???

I think I know what he's trying to say, but ahhhhhh......huhhh??

That's really reaching...you sure you ain't from LA??? nahhh even they ain't that crazy!!
 



Mighty Dog,

I think they should become an independent at this point.
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They might have too.

If FAMU were to join the SWAC, it would a distraction because of their current situation. I think at this point we can accomplish more without them than we can with them being a SWAC member. I don't think the SWAC should approach them to join, but if they want to join they should seek membership into the SWAC.
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I agree it would be a distraction, now. But, I am thinking about down the road. I believe our schools history are stronger than individuals that often time make mistakes under the schools names. I am sure Florida A & M University will survive this controversy just like other HBCU programs have survived their own personal controversies.

Sometimes, I think it precludes a conference to understand that positive growth does not have to only come with-in the company, but it come when a company aquires greater resources outdie to strengthen it. Remember the SWAC presidents through the SWAC Commissioner sought out the University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff and Alabama A & M University, not vice versa.

Again, I give the example of the SWAC seeking to expand and understanding the strengths of bringing in an Alabama A & M University. I know for a fact that there where some issues also going on at the time with the president and his wife.

I also know that the SIAC was not happy about Alabama A & M University leaving or the way they where leaving (in terms of time). But the ultimate weight of such a move for the SWAC and Alabama A & M University made a greater sense to all involved.

I cannot support the manner in which the decision was made to leave the MEAC. There is no justification for how they did it. If fact, it seemed that more people was for the move than against it.
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I agree the manner in which they left the MEAC left a lot to be disired. But, again I believe this was attributed to a few individuals rather than the whole. These individuals will not out live the insitutions.

But, again if this best serves the interest of the SWAC, I think it would be a derelict of duty for those involved in our leadership to not at least evaluate on all fronts whether this would be in the ultimate best interest of the organization to seek this expansion possiblity.

I do not think it should be based soley on the emotional status on how people where treated or how people will feel. But, at the end of the day the question must be ask. Is this in the best interest; financially, athletically, and academically considering maintaining the stability and continuing the marketability, of the SWAC?
 
Originally posted by tsutiger
:lmao:

The SWAC should rejoice that you are not the commissioner. :flippy:

Are you crazy? FAMU is the largest HBCU by enrollment (13,000+), Every year they rank in the top 5 in 1AA attendance, They played in 3 of the top 5 Classics this past season. They are in the #1 football state. By adding FAMU the SWAC goes from ZERO playoff wins to having a Championship. And most importantly when it comes to HBCU football FAMU has the largest most talked about band. FAMU will only make the SWAC better and more respected. Adding FAMU, makes the SWAC championship game the real championship game instead of the Bayoo Classic being the Championship game.
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Southern University and A&M College 8,599

Southern University in New Orleans 3,386

Southern University in Shreveport 1,925

Southern University Law Center 387

Total= 14,297

2002 STATS

One school excluded
 
Mighty Dog,

I think they should become an independent at this point.
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They might have too.

If FAMU were to join the SWAC, it would a distraction because of their current situation. I think at this point we can accomplish more without them than we can with them being a SWAC member. I don't think the SWAC should approach them to join, but if they want to join they should seek membership into the SWAC.
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I agree it would be a distraction, now. But, I am thinking about down the road. I believe our schools history are stronger than individuals that often time make mistakes under the schools names. I am sure Florida A & M University will survive this controversy just like other HBCU programs have survived their own personal controversies.

Sometimes, I think it precludes a conference to understand that positive growth does not have to only come with-in the company, but it come when a company aquires greater resources outdie to strengthen it. Remember the SWAC presidents through the SWAC Commissioner sought out the University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff and Alabama A & M University, not vice versa.

Again, I give the example of the SWAC seeking to expand and understanding the strengths of bringing in an Alabama A & M University. I know for a fact that there where some issues also going on at the time with the president and his wife.

I also know that the SIAC was not happy about Alabama A & M University leaving or the way they where leaving (in terms of time). But the ultimate weight of such a move for the SWAC and Alabama A & M University made a greater sense to all involved.

I cannot support the manner in which the decision was made to leave the MEAC. There is no justification for how they did it. If fact, it seemed that more people was for the move than against it.
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I agree the manner in which they left the MEAC left a lot to be disired. But, again I believe this was attributed to a few individuals rather than the whole. These individuals will not out live the insitutions.

But, again if this best serves the interest of the SWAC, I think it would be a derelict of duty for those involved in our leadership to not at least evaluate on all fronts whether this would be in the ultimate best interest of the organization to seek this expansion possiblity.

I do not think it should be based soley on the emotional status on how people where treated or how people will feel. But, at the end of the day the question must be ask. Is this in the best interest; financially, athletically, and academically considering maintaining the stability and continuing the marketability, of the SWAC?
 
Originally posted by tsutiger
:lmao:

The SWAC should rejoice that you are not the commissioner. :flippy:

Are you crazy? FAMU is the largest HBCU by enrollment (13,000+), Every year they rank in the top 5 in 1AA attendance, They played in 3 of the top 5 Classics this past season. They are in the #1 football state. By adding FAMU the SWAC goes from ZERO playoff wins to having a Championship. And most importantly when it comes to HBCU football FAMU has the largest most talked about band. FAMU will only make the SWAC better and more respected. Adding FAMU, makes the SWAC championship game the real championship game instead of the Bayoo Classic being the Championship game.
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At one time, I thought it was a great idea to have TnSt and FAMU to join the SWAC, but now I don't see any value added, because the SWAC consist of 10 outstanding State Institutions. The SWAC consist of Alabama: AAMU and Alabama St; Mississippi: Jackson St, Alcorn and Mississippi Valley; Texas: PVAM and Texas Southern; Louisiana: Southern and Grambling. Without a doubt you cannot get any more elite than this, therefore, knowing the history of these great universities should be reason enough to make an application.

If I was the commissioner, you would be calling me every week trying to get in. It is time to play hardball and stop acting like we need these other two schools.
 
Mighty dog?????????????????

Mighty Dog

Let me start by saying, I?m not trying to offend any posters institutions. Keeping this a clean debate without smack.

At one time, I thought it was a great idea to have TnSt and FAMU to join the SWAC, but now I don't see any value added, because the SWAC consist of 10 outstanding State Institutions. The SWAC consist of Alabama: AAMU and Alabama St; Mississippi: Jackson St, Alcorn and Mississippi Valley; Texas: PVAM and Texas Southern; Louisiana: Southern and Grambling. Without a doubt you cannot get any more elite than this, therefore, knowing the history of these great universities should be reason enough to make an application.

If I was the commissioner, you would be calling me every week trying to get in. It is time to play hardball and stop acting like we need these other two schools.
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Mighty Dog

Your argument didn?t have any merit. The only thing you proved is you are very pro swac. Can you please explain how TnSt and FAMU will not add value to the SWAC? In my previous post I told you the advantages FAMU brings to the conference. What is so elite about PV, Alcorn, MV,and ASU? (Once again don?t get offended by this statement) These are small universities with little to no recognition beyond those who follow the SWAC. Donald Driver was on the Two Live Stews last week (those in the Atl know what I?m talking about), and was asked when was the last time he went back to Alcorn. He statement was, ?Six years ago, I got love for Alcorn but there is nothing down there.?

Where were you at when the ACC raided the Big East? Media Markets? Football strength? Attendance home and road? Does this not mean anything to you? You saying the SWAC is better off by not adding FAMU or TSU is like saying Big Ten will be better off by not adding Notre Dame.

This is something that was told to me by a business owner where I was interning during my TSU days. Something I found to be very true. BUSINESS IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS. Meaning the relationship you build plays a great deal on the success or failure of your business. If Alabama State had a business relationship with Alabama they would make more money and gain more exposure than their current relationship with AAMU.
 
Might Dog,

At one time, I thought it was a great idea to have TnSt and FAMU to join the SWAC, but now I don't see any value added, because the SWAC consist of 10 outstanding State Institutions. The SWAC consist of Alabama: AAMU and Alabama St; Mississippi: Jackson St, Alcorn and Mississippi Valley; Texas: PVAM and Texas Southern; Louisiana: Southern and Grambling. Without a doubt you cannot get any more elite than this, therefore, knowing the history of these great universities should be reason enough to make an application.

If I was the commissioner, you would be calling me every week trying to get in. It is time to play hardball and stop acting like we need these other two schools.
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I respectfully disagree with the way you believe the SWAC adminsitration should pursue Florida A & M University and/or Tennessee State University
 
I respectfully disagree with the way you believe we should pursue Florida A & M University and/or Tennessee State University
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Ahhh......caught you Jafus. WE....how We should pursue FAMU. I knew you were a SWAC man trying to sabotage the MEAC. :)

You already coax the Rattler's into looking away from the MEAC and look where it got them. When the MEAC page re-opens I'll make sure I tell folks to run when they see you Posting.

We......te te te te.....SMH
 
TSUTiger,

Mighty Dog

Your argument didn?t have any merit. The only thing you proved is you are very pro swac. Can you please explain how TnSt and FAMU will not add value to the SWAC? In my previous post I told you the advantages FAMU brings to the conference. What is so elite about PV, Alcorn, MV,and ASU? (Once again don?t get offended by this statement) These are small universities with little to no recognition beyond those who follow the SWAC. Donald Driver was on the Two Live Stews last week (those in the Atl know what I?m talking about), and was asked when was the last time he went back to Alcorn. He statement was, ?Six years ago, I got love for Alcorn but there is nothing down there.?

Where were you at when the ACC raided the Big East? Media Markets? Football strength? Attendance home and road? Does this not mean anything to you? You saying the SWAC is better off by not adding FAMU or TSU is like saying Big Ten will be better off by not adding Notre Dame.

This is something that was told to me by a business owner where I was interning during my TSU days. Something I found to be very true. BUSINESS IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS. Meaning the relationship you build plays a great deal on the success or failure of your business. If Alabama State had a business relationship with Alabama they would make more money and gain more exposure than their current relationship with AAMU.
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I agree with most of your points. But, I disagree that Prairie View A & M University with an enrollment of 8,080 and the 2nd oldest institution of higher education in the state of Texas is a small school with little to no recognition beyond those who follow the SWAC, when compared to other HBCU like Southern University, Jackson State University, Grambling State University, Texas Southern University, Tennessee State University, Alabama A & M University, Alabama State University, and Florida A & M University.
 
KSmith,

Ahhh......caught you Jafus. WE....how We should pursue FAMU. I knew you were a SWAC man trying to sabotage the MEAC.

You already coax the Rattler's into looking away from the MEAC and look where it got them. When the MEAC page re-opens I'll make sure I tell folks to run when they see you Posting.

We......te te te te.....SMH
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Is this the politically correct way I should have posted it? I respectfully disagree with the way you believe the SWAC adminsitration should pursue Florida A & M University and/or Tennessee State University.
 
Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker)
TSUTiger,



But, I disagree that Prairie View A & M University with an enrollment of 8,080 and the 2nd oldest institution of higher education in the state of Texas is a small school with little to no recognition...............
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Interesting..........If that enrollment number is correct, PV may have close to if not larger than TNST.
 
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