Fundamentalist Black Clergy Pledge Support for Israel, But What Are They Doing in the Black Communi


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This right here is so true:
There are some Black churches who have assumed the mantle and have dedicated themselves to racial justice and economic empowerment. However, many have not. For example, with $65 million in new corporate jet money, Creflo Dollar could do so many things for Black America, such as save HBCUs, invest in Black-owned high-tech startups, support impoverished Black families or fund the Black struggle movement. If Black churches begin to think in those terms, the bleak state of the Black community will begin to change dramatically and for the better.
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These fundamentalist Black clergy can help everyone else, but when it comes to supporting the Black community, they seem to be a little short on ideas. This farther proves that most of these Black churches are puppets for other religious organizations to take money away from Black communities.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/08...t-what-are-they-doing-in-the-black-community/
 
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I agree!!!

On today I will appointed my church's trusty board and prior to being appointed I put them to task. If we call ourselves church then we do what churches are supposed to do.

For example if you are young parents we assist you with day care. Many of our church members are retired, houses paid off etc...so what they do is assist the younger people in a more expensive and challenges world.

Then we have a baby center. What we do is assist young mothers with clothing, diapers, bottles, etc...
 



The Founder said:
I agree!!!

On today I will appointed my church's trusty board and prior to being appointed I put them to task. If we call ourselves church then we do what churches are supposed to do.

For example if you are young parents we assist you with day care. Many of our church members are retired, houses paid off etc...so what they do is assist the younger people in a more expensive and challenges world.

Then we have a baby center. What we do is assist young mothers with clothing, diapers, bottles, etc...
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IMO, Black churches are so out of touch with the communities they are supposed to serve.
 
I think I'm starting to see this whole thing a little differently. These megachurch leaders know the actual truth, even if it's ugly. They know that they couldn't help the black community even if they wanted to. In this country blacks are only allowed financial gain if it comes with the promise of not making any actual positive change to the black community. Any preacher knows that if he does any type of positive change on a large scale for the black community he sets himself up to become a lighting rod to be removed.

I'm not saying it's right but it may be a reason that the field of clergy now attracts people who are OK with it being in a huge money making operation with very little positive effect. The people who would try to use that influence to do some good are no longer in that field because of the glass ceiling effect.

The people who make their money from the pain and woes of the black community are better at preserving the status quo than good people are at improving it.
 
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We are....that's something I'm trying to fix with my church.
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Good luck my brother!!! I'm sure you have an uphill battle fighting tradition. I used to be very active in a church, but when I recommended something that would help the youth grow and learn in the church and save the church money, those folks looked at me like I was the devil.
 
SleepyCrat said:
I think I'm starting to see this whole thing a little differently. These megachurch leaders know the actual truth, even if it's ugly. They know that they couldn't help the black community even if they wanted to. In this country blacks are only allowed financial gain if it comes with the promise of not making any actual positive change to the black community. Any preacher knows that if he does any type of positive change on a large scale for the black community he sets himself up to become a lighting rod to be removed.

I'm not saying it's right but it may be a reason that the field of clergy now attracts people who are OK with it being in a huge money making operation with very little positive effect. The people who would try to use that influence to do some good are no longer in that field because of the glass ceiling effect.

The people who make their money from the pain and woes of the black community are better at preserving the status quo than good people are at improving it.
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That could possibly be the case.
 
JAG89 said:
Good luck my brother!!! I'm sure you have an uphill battle fighting tradition. I used to be very active in a church, but when I recommended something that would help the youth grow and learn in the church and save the church money, those folks looked at me like I was the devil.
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I believe you...they (old folks) hate change.
 
jag4life said:
I know a number of Black churches in Houston that do a LOT in the community.
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I'm sure there are a few, but megachurches like Creflo Dollar's church does not. As I stated before, IMO too many are out of touch with the community they are supposed to serve.
 
JAG89 said:
I'm sure there are a few, but megachurches like Creflo Dollar's church does not. As I stated before, IMO too many are out of touch with the community they are supposed to serve.
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I don't do mega churches....I have my pastor's number on my favorites list. No appointment needed to talk. That's what I like...I wonder how many of those folks can actually walk up to Creflo after church and shoot the breeze.
 
JAG89 said:
I'm sure there are a few, but megachurches like Creflo Dollar's church does not. As I stated before, IMO too many are out of touch with the community they are supposed to serve.
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My church is a megachurch by definition. Still in the same neighborhood as it was when the pastor was appointed 30+ years ago with 25 members. Massive economic/educational/healthcare development in the area as a result of his/our efforts.
 
jag4life said:
My church is a megachurch by definition. Still in the same neighborhood as it was when the pastor was appointed 30+ years ago with 25 members. Massive economic/educational/healthcare development in the area as a result of his/our efforts.
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Okay...That's just one community church with positive results. I'm sure there are others, but IMO disproportionately too many are not like those churches, megachurches and non-megachurches..
 
JAG89 said:
Okay...That's just one community church with positive results. I'm sure there are others, but IMO disproportionately too many are not like those churches, megachurches and non-megachurches..
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I have to agree. One church in Grambling the older members got mad because this pastor actually doing real outreach. Yet, the folks coming to the church were not what they considered a "higher standard" so the pastor ended up being transferred.
 
  • Every Tuesday at my church, our Obadiah's Kitchen Ministry not only feeds the poor and homeless, but we feed them the Word of God. During the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays, not only is our kitchen open, but we also go out into community and give boxed dinners and blankets/clothes/toiletries

  • Every May, my church's Health Ministry has a "Linking the Community to Health" health care fair. This is a free event that offers screenings on cholesterol, glucose, prostate, breast cancer, HIV, HCV (hepatitis C), and sickle cell. Included are seminars on resume writing/job training, exercise demonstrations, seat belt safety for infants/children, alcohol/substance abuse counseling, mental health screen/evaluations, nutrition and so much more. We serve healthy foods, have a small petting zoo, horse rides, bouncy thingies for the kids, and vendors are there to give out free stuff! We have licensed/certified physicians/APNs/psychologists/social workers and health care workers on hand, as well as personnel from the AR Department of Health, Arkansas Workforce, and the VA, as well as other organizations.

  • Once a year, we have someone from the Arkansas Insurance Department come in give updates/information on insurance (all types). When Obamacare went into effect, we held 3 town-hall meetings at my church throughout the year.

  • Every Wednesday during the school year, my church has a tutoring program. We have teachers from the LRDS/NLRSD, professors from UALR and Pulaski Technical College come in and tutor for grades 1st-12th; we have workshops on ACT prep as well.

  • We have workshops on credit and credit restoration

  • We have an annual "Back-to-School" Bash. Personnel from the LRSD/NLRSD/PCSSD come and give updates on policies (attendance/truancy, dress code, testing, security, bullying/cyber-bullying, etc.); we offer free haircuts for the boys and a pressing for the girls before the program, and after the program we distribute school supplies and snacks.

  • During our Youth Explosion, we have officers from the LRPD & NLRPD, as well as lawyers and judges speak at our conferences. They give information about rights, the law, and court process.

  • We hold voter registration and give rides to the polls.

All of this is advertised to the public via radio broadcast, social media, during our 8am & 11am & Wednesday night services, and through canvassing the surrounding neighborhoods (my favorite). And all these events are free of charge to the public as well as our church members.

We offer a lot more but this is all I could think of off the top of my head.


jag4life said:
I know a number of Black churches in Houston that do a LOT in the community.
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I know quite a few here in the Central Arkansas area do too. I know other churches give out school uniforms, give out fans to the elderly during the summer or will transport them to local community centers that have air-conditioning, do meals on wheels, offer sexual abuse/rape counseling......all kinds of services.
 
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96lioness said:
  • Every Tuesday at my church, our Obadiah's Kitchen Ministry not only feeds the poor and homeless, but we feed them the Word of God. During the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays, not only is our kitchen open, but we also go out into community and give boxed dinners and blankets/clothes/toiletries
  • Every May, my church's Health Ministry has a "Linking the Community to Health" health care fair. This is a free event that offers screenings on cholesterol, glucose, prostate, breast cancer, HIV, HCV (hepatitis C), and sickle cell. Included are seminars on resume writing/job training, exercise demonstrations, seat belt safety for infants/children, alcohol/substance abuse counseling, mental health screen/evaluations, nutrition and so much more. We serve healthy foods, have a small petting zoo, horse rides, bouncy thingies for the kids, and vendors are there to give out free stuff! We have licensed/certified physicians/APNs/psychologists/social workers and health care workers on hand, as well as personnel from the AR Department of Health, Arkansas Workforce, and the VA, as well as other organizations.

  • Once a year, we have someone from the Arkansas Insurance Department come in give updates/information on insurance (all types). When Obamacare went into effect, we held 3 town-hall meetings at my church throughout the year.

  • Every Wednesday during the school year, my church has a tutoring program. We have teachers from the LRDS/NLRSD, professors from UALR and Pulaski Technical College come in and tutor for grades 1st-12th; we have workshops on ACT prep as well.

  • We have workshops on credit and credit restoration

  • We have an annual "Back-to-School" Bash. Personnel from the LRSD/NLRSD/PCSSD come and give updates on policies (attendance/truancy, dress code, testing, security, bullying/cyber-bullying, etc.); we offer free haircuts for the boys and a pressing for the girls before the program, and after the program we distribute school supplies and snacks.

  • During our Youth Explosion, we have officers from the LRPD & NLRPD, as well as lawyers and judges speak at our conferences. They give information about rights, the law, and court process.

  • We hold voter registration and give rides to the polls.

All of this is advertised to the public via radio broadcast, social media, during our 8am & 11am & Wednesday night services, and through canvassing the surrounding neighborhoods (my favorite). And all these events are free of charge to the public as well as our church members.

We offer a lot more but this is all I could think of off the top of my head.




I know quite a few here in the Central Arkansas area do too. I know other churches give out school uniforms, give out fans to the elderly during the summer or will transport them to local community centers that have air-conditioning, do meals on wheels, offer sexual abuse/rape counseling......all kinds of services.
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Based on you have consistently been (postings) on this board I consider you credible and your fruit evident. I am glad you shared the good works that your church is doing. There are many, many churches that are doing great things in the community and all over.

There are too many people that think they can give a suggestion to a church and the church should do it. NO !!!!!!!!! Find out why the suggestion is not considered. Could it be budget, resources, legalities, personnel, wrong season, inarticulate suggestion, etc . Also, there are too many people who make a suggestion but have no plans to help with carrying it out. I can't begin to tell you how many people I have encountered that say "y'all should do XYZ", Then when asked how they would help to coordinate/detail out the suggestion they say "None, that's why I told y'all",

Also, call me judgemental, but a trustee should not be on a message board co-signing pre-marital sex, drinking, using profanity, and everything else against their walk.
 
I guess suggesting that the youth help the church secretary in preparing the church program bulletins every Sunday on recently donated computers was too much for the church to handle. And the church secretary was still using a manual typewriter to create the church program bulletins. Also, I had taken the time to setup a template that could have been easily updated from Sunday to Sunday. And there were other things they had done that wasn't right, such as the budget meeting they decided to call while I was at work so they could pass a budget in order to get approval for a construction loan from a bank (Bank of the James). Like I previously stated, from my experience in a Black church, a lot of them are completely out of touch with the community they serve.
 
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And folks wonder why brothers (especially young brothers) don't fool with the church these days...
 
http://www.khou.com/story/life/2015...s-help-renovate-houston-high-school/71625460/

HOUSTON -- Wheatley High School students started the year with a new attitude and a fresh look around parts of campus.

Dozens of Lakewood Church members volunteered hundreds of hours painting and refurbishing several areas of the school, including a new weight room.

The highlight is a wall mural that reminds the students to "believe in possibilities."

"I look at the wall and it just motivates you to do better," one student said. "Coach Mack always telling us, it's not about what you have, but what you do with the things you do have."

"It just makes me feel good about my school," another student said. "It gives me more hope."

Barbara Curtis of Lakewood Church says that's exactly what the staff's goal is: To bring hope and love and inspiration and encouragement to the students.
 
JAG89 said:
This right here is so true:


These fundamentalist Black clergy can help everyone else, but when it comes to supporting the Black community, they seem to be a little short on ideas. This farther proves that most of these Black churches are puppets for other religious organizations to take money away from Black communities.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/08...t-what-are-they-doing-in-the-black-community/
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One grandmother was a deaconess and church historian while the other was one of the mothers of the church. The one who was a church historian would agree with a lot of what was said in the article.
 
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One grandmother was a deaconess and church historian while the other was one of the mothers of the church. The one who was a church historian would agree with a lot of what was said in the article.
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I know there might be some Black churches out there that are reaching their communities the right way, but IMO there are far too many that are not.

For example:




And who can't forget about this hypocrite??? You would think they would go away like the Rev. Jimmy Swaggart pretty much did, but somehow Black folks tend to be more loyal to these nutcases. IMO, what Eddie Long was excused of was way worse than what Jimmy Swaggart was excused of. There's a young lady from Nashville who's one of my Facebook friends still follows that nut: And she really thinks he's a good role model for Black men.


And there others I can't seem to find on the internet anymore, such as the church fight at White Rock Baptist Church in Lynchburg, VA in which the police had to get involved between the pastor and the congregation and a church in my hometown where the pastor decided to bypass the church's by-laws and write himself a check to buy a new Cadillac. And what is even crazier, they always say something like "they received a divine intervention from God that told them to do what they did, therefore they are just fulfilling prophecy".
 
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