Former SU SGA Prez Speaks Out On Rejection


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Would someone please explain why it is considered inapproiate to let this guy perform a concert on Southerns campus especially in this day an age. Not to mention the fact that he is willing to donate money to the school? I mean it's hip-hop. What wouldn't the community understand. Just make sure there's adequate security and let everybody have a good time.


http://www.southerndigest.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/12/02/3fcceb8010e89

David Banner speaks out on Homecoming 2003 rejection

By Gabrielle Maple
December 02, 2003


NEW ORLEANS - After administrators denied Lavell Crump, a.k.a. hip-hop recording artist David Banner, the right to perform at the 2003 Homecoming concert, the former Student Government Association president said that things at Southern University has not changed.

"I am mad because the powers at Southern are the same powers that were there when I was there," said Banner. "It is bad that a person has been blessed and has been so connected with Southern and the officials did me the way they did."

Conflict between the administration, SGA and the rapper arose after WEMX Max 94.1 FM, a sponsor of the event, drew criticism from parents at Northeast High School after radio personalities distributed David Banner?s Mississippi: The Album to students. The album carried a parental advisory warning for explicit language.

In an October interview with The DIGEST, Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs Raymond Downs said that he did not think it would be in the best interest to bring Banner to the university.

"Our community would not understand. I was not in favor of bringing him to our concert," said Downs. "We?re always fighting a battle with rappers and comedians that come here. This is a college campus, we have to exert some supervision."

Despite the rejection, Banner said that he still has love for SU.

"I will still represent SU till the day that I die, but I really see that times ain?t changed," he said. "You have alumni who has accomplished a lot and is willing to give money back to their school. They want to call me up to get money, but won?t let me come back and represent my school. That is bad business."

Banner said that it is up to students to stand up to the administration to bring forth change.

He encouraged them to come together and voice their opinions.

"As long as they know that we don?t care about our rights they can do anything. They can do anything with our money, do anything with our education. We have to set a presence," Banner said.

The bitter taste of rejection is still fresh in the mouth of the Jackson, Miss. native whose songs about growing up in the South climbed up Billboard rap charts.

"I scream Southern everywhere I go and I can?t even perform for my people and I was going to do it for free," Banner said.

However, rejection from the administration will not stop the rising star to move to higher heights and showing love for his alma mater.

"I might just throw a concert outside of Southern and invite all of the students for free."

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I don't understand SU's administration wouldn't let him perform, either. Doesn't the book store sell CDs? I'm sure somebody on campus is burning CDs. The language they are trying to shield those students from hearing is all around campus.
I think that the administration needs to take a walk around campus and listen to the music that the students are playing.
 



I talked to him at the Bayou Classic and he basically said the same thing to me. He loves SU but not the way the administration is run.
 
This is a former SGA President complaining about change. He was the most powerful voice on campus and could have led the fight for change.
 
Originally posted by MightyDog
This is a former SGA President complaining about change. He was the most powerful voice on campus and could have led the fight for change.
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He did lead it...that's why the admistration doesn't like him now. He was a little too militant for them.
 
Originally posted by MightyDog
This is a former SGA President complaining about change. He was the most powerful voice on campus and could have led the fight for change.
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Crump actually was trying to lead the fight for change while he was SGA President. I have stated on here before that he was the most active and visible SGA President during my matriculation at SU(I caught the tail end of Sterling, but I heard that he was good. Most of the rest were just playing politics). He faced opposition from the same administration that did not want him to perform at this year's Homecoming. Another problem were the multitude of complacent-ass bastards on campus that did not see the need for change. Out-of-state fees were going up exponentially and dormitories were falling apart, but all most of the student body were concerned about was not having cable or not having visitation.
 
If the school do not want you why worry about it.

David, Let it go bro. Make money at LSU instead. :D:D:D
 
Originally posted by docmump

David, Let it go bro. Make money at LSU instead. :D:D:D
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Now if would have done that from the Jump, SU would have caught feelings.

Black Colleges need to support our own!!!!!
 
They want to call me up to get money, but won?t let me come back and represent my school. That is bad business."

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BINGO..... thats typical Black folks.... always call you when they need something. I wouldnt give em ****.
 
Wait, why would the university ENDORSE him? Why, because he is the former SGA President who has a hit single called "Like a Pimp"?

I wish the man all the success in the world, but he should have enough sense to know that his music is not going to be accepted in certain places. Hell, the IRS is taking 40% of each dime he makes, but you don't see him complaining about not being about to perform at the White House.
 
Originally posted by Da_Sperm
Wait, why would the university ENDORSE him? Why, because he is the former SGA President who has a hit single called "Like a Pimp"?

I wish the man all the success in the world, but he should have enough sense to know that his music is not going to be accepted in certain places. Hell, the IRS is taking 40% of each dime he makes, but you don't see him complaining about not being about to perform at the White House.
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I'd been inclined to go along with that if they didn't invite T.I. and the Youngbloodz to perform at Homecoming in lieu of Banner. Their material is definitely not any tamer than his.
 
Originally posted by BILBREW
I'd been inclined to go along with that if they didn't invite T.I. and the Youngbloodz to perform at Homecoming in lieu of Banner. Their material is definitely not any tamer than his.
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Yea that definitely doesnt make any sense. I've been to concerts of both and well....there's not any difference at all. As a matter of fact im about 80% sure that Youngbloodz would've been worse.
 
"Our community would not understand. I was not in favor of bringing him to our concert," said Downs. "We?re always fighting a battle with rappers and comedians that come here. This is a college campus, we have to exert some supervision."

Last time I checked, just about everyone on that campus is 18 or older, which means that they are fukking adults. It's time that Black colleges started treating their students like adults instead of like children.

That takes care of the "we have to exert some supervision" part. Now to first part of the bolded section. No, dumbfukk, it's not a college campus, it's a University campus, which makes it even more intellectually and academically irresponsible for you to endorse this, or any other level of censorship.

Downs is acting like an Arseface.
 
Originally posted by sophandros

Last time I checked, just about everyone on that campus is 18 or older, which means that they are fukking adults. It's time that Black colleges started treating their students like adults instead of like children.
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As an HBCU graduate and supporter, I have said this plenty of times myself. People wonder why local kids would rather just go to Georgia State or even Georgia Perimeter instead of CAU or Morehouse, but when you impose archaic rules on them what do you expect? I almost left Southern after my Freshman year because I was tired of being talked to and treated like I was 10. From what I have heard, a lot of HBCUs have that same problem.
 



Bilbrew and sophandros, I agree with statements you both made. I have been to concerts at Southern where explicit-laden performers were the main attractions. Sooooooooo, WHY is there animosity toward one of our own?!? ...and if he was willing to do it FREE? I was on the SGA and we always battled who to bring to the concerts during Homecoming or SpringFest with the budget that we were working with - i.e. back and forth trying to figure out who do the students want to see that will also satisfy the administration and our $$$. During my time there (late 80's, early 90's), hip-hop wasn't where it is today - everywhere! The administration will eventually learn this lesson... hopefully.
 
As an HBCU graduate and supporter, I have said this plenty of times myself. People wonder why local kids would rather just go to Georgia State or even Georgia Perimeter instead of CAU or Morehouse, but when you impose archaic rules on them what do you expect? I almost left Southern after my Freshman year because I was tired of being talked to and treated like I was 10. From what I have heard, a lot of HBCUs have that same problem.
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I felt the same way about Bama State. There are a few people on the board of trustees I would like to see gone.
 
Originally posted by BILBREW
Crump actually was trying to lead the fight for change while he was SGA President. I have stated on here before that he was the most active and visible SGA President during my matriculation at SU(I caught the tail end of Sterling, but I heard that he was good. Most of the rest were just playing politics). He faced opposition from the same administration that did not want him to perform at this year's Homecoming. Another problem were the multitude of complacent-ass bastards on campus that did not see the need for change. Out-of-state fees were going up exponentially and dormitories were falling apart, but all most of the student body were concerned about was not having cable or not having visitation.
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The majority of a student body attend college to get an education and you have about ten percent who attend to have a great time. Normally, the ten per cent come up with changes that takes away from the academic environment, but do not take advantage of the real power of the state. It is easy to attack those who you see every day, but students must go after the real power to get things done. Students have some great minds but their thoughts are misguided by someone who may be more interested in entertainment than talking to the right people like law makers, about the doms that need repairing. Students should write letters to the Govenor and others to get more funding is just a start. Once some positive things have been done by students maybe they can get some of the entertainment that is in question. If you can get 15 students to join the pre-alumni association, I would be shocked. SGA, and Pre-Alumni are can be powerful if you have a plan. The Jag Nation is powerful, when threaten.:)
 
Originally posted by MightyDog
The majority of a student body attend college to get an education and you have about ten percent who attend to have a great time. Normally, the ten per cent come up with changes that takes away from the academic environment, but do not take advantage of the real power of the state. It is easy to attack those who you see every day, but students must go after the real power to get things done. Students have some great minds but their thoughts are misguided by someone who may be more interested in entertainment than talking to the right people like law makers, about the doms that need repairing. Students should write letters to the Govenor and others to get more funding is just a start. Once some positive things have been done by students maybe they can get some of the entertainment that is in question. If you can get 15 students to join the pre-alumni association, I would be shocked. SGA, and Pre-Alumni are can be powerful if you have a plan. The Jag Nation is powerful, when threaten.:)
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The entertainment, visitation, and other issues are all a part of your educational experience, however. This is not an either/or proposition. Student leaders need to be concerned with the overall development of the students, not just one or two aspects. Just as Union leaders need to concern themselves with more than just salary issues (like the manner in which employees are treated), Student leaders need to concern themselves with more than just "educational" issues (like the manner in which students are treated).
 
Originally posted by sophandros
The entertainment, visitation, and other issues are all a part of your educational experience, however. This is not an either/or proposition. Student leaders need to be concerned with the overall development of the students, not just one or two aspects. Just as Union leaders need to concern themselves with more than just salary issues (like the manner in which employees are treated), Student leaders need to concern themselves with more than just "educational" issues (like the manner in which students are treated).
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Debate all you want, I know what works. There is a reason our students walk around with their pants hanging down, there is a reason a large number are in the justice systems, there is a reason they are failing, there is a reason so many kids and some adults don't know the protocol, but we continue to entertain BUll****. I not against Rappers but I will not support them on a college campus.
 
Originally posted by MightyDog
there is a reason a large number are in the justice systems,
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Are you talking about in general or in college? I don't think this statement applies to college students, for the most part.
 
Originally posted by MightyDog
Debate all you want, I know what works. There is a reason our students walk around with their pants hanging down, there is a reason a large number are in the justice systems, there is a reason they are failing, there is a reason so many kids and some adults don't know the protocol, but we continue to entertain BUll****. I not against Rappers but I will not support them on a college campus.
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Let's see... the way that things are on HBCU campuses are the same way as they were 35 years ago when my parents were there and 60 years ago when my grandparents were there and longer. All of these problems that you mentioned were spawned and have grown with us doing things in the way that you support. Obviously, that way does not work. This is more than allowing a concert on campus. I'm talking about treating adults like adults. If an 18-22 year-old is convinced that a life of crime is better than continuing with an education by a musician's words during a two hour conference on a UNIVERSITY CAMPUS, then it's clearly not the fault of the university.

Your mentality is to hide your head in the sand and act as if people old enough to have their vote not counted in Florida or to go and die for Halliburton aren't old enough to make an informed decision concerning their freedom of expression, freedom of association, and freedom of speech. You propose the imposition and continuance of draconian measures which, by your own admission, have been inefficient in the shaping of young people. After all, if censorship and restriction of various freedoms were the way to go, we wouldn't have any problems.

I find it interesting that the only colleges and universities that treat their adult students like children are HBCUs. Places of higher learning should be about seeing diverse positions and viewpoints, as well as learning how to function independently in an academic setting. Cloistering students and imposing archaic restrictions on their movement and expression do not foster that sort of atmosphere.
 
Many of us never figure out the American System, but the sooner we figure it out the better off we will be. Most of the ten percent I speak of operate from the seat of their pants, some still are supported by parents, some work at fast foods, and other places to attend college, but they still make unwise decisions. Many young people are capable of making good decisions and I understand that.

J4life, you have many college and former college students going to prison everyday.
 
Originally posted by MightyDog
Many of us never figure out the American System, but the sooner we figure it out the better off we will be. Most of the ten percent I speak of operate from the seat of their pants, some still are supported by parents, some work at fast foods, and other places to attend college, but they still make unwise decisions. Many young people are capable of making good decisions and I understand that.

J4life, you have many college and former college students going to prison everyday.
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And treating adults like children fixes this how?
 
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