FL School Shooting


Sting said:
I bet if more black people started to go and purchase guns from stores and shows, the gun laws would change
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Funny you say this. When I went to get pistols the guy behind the counter had this funny look on his face when I told him what I wanted.
 
JayRob said:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. 98 percent of gun carrying folks are law-abiding citizens. Had some responsible person had a gun on campus, perhaps the death rate would've been much lower.
Criminals who want guns will always find a way to get them no matter what laws are put in place. This has been proven time and time again.
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This logic never made any sense.

A guns sole purpose is to be used as a tool to harm others. Nothing else.

This has been proven time and time again.
 



JayRob said:
So if somebody broke in an old ladies house at 2am in the morning, she's supposed to defend herself how? Come on man, let's use common sense.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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You rather keep having 100,000 people shot a year, costing Americans $45 billion in medical costs and lost wages?
 
Rated R Superstar said:
Nobody needs to be having guns here. Way too many people use them irresponsible
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I'm pretty sure the responsible people out number the irresponsible people, but that doesn't make the news, because it's a daily thing. And it's easy to say one irresponsible person is one too many, even if it isn't an issue of criminality, but there is a difference between someone being irresponsible versus someone with the intent to harm or kill.
 
The Founder said:
I pray for those who lost their lives and I hope to God the shooter was not black, Hispanic, or from another country....
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JayRob said:
Mass school shooters are usually not akin to any of the above.
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I was thinking the same thing this morning. I do not recall any mass shootings "in a school", where the perpetrator was not white. I put quotes around school, to make sure to differentiate from folks just shooting in crowds of people, because they are trying to "get at a person" or for revenge. And the DC sniper is excluded from this, because even though he created panic and mass hysteria, it was not a mass shooting in one location, school or otherwise.
 
Tpop33 said:
I'm pretty sure the responsible people out number the irresponsible people, but that doesn't make the news, because it's a daily thing. And it's easy to say one irresponsible person is one too many, even if it isn't an issue of criminality, but there is a difference between someone being irresponsible versus someone with the intent to harm or kill.
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Planes landing safely don't make the news either.

What's your point here?
 
Rated R Superstar said:
Nobody needs to be having guns here. Way too many people use them irresponsible
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You just gave a reason why people should have guns. If there are "way too many people using them irresponsible", why shouldn't a responsible person have one just in case there run across someone like that?
 
s phi s said:
People forget that you can buy these "high powered" weapons akin to the AR-15 at age 18 legally, but cannot purchase a handgun legally until age 21. How many school shootings have you seen carried out by someone 21 or over? How many school shootings have been carried out with handguns?
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Very few and Not many
 
Sting said:
You just gave a reason why people should have guns. If there are "way too many people using them irresponsible", why shouldn't a responsible person have one just in case there run across someone like that?
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Responsible gun owners never seem to be around to prevent the irresponsible folks from slaughtering people. How many of the 32,000 annual US firearm deaths are 'good guys shooting bad guys'?
 
JayRob said:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. 98 percent of gun carrying folks are law-abiding citizens. Had some responsible person had a gun on campus, perhaps the death rate would've been much lower.
Criminals who want guns will always find a way to get them no matter what laws are put in place. This has been proven time and time again.
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He was law-abiding as well until he started shooting people. That's how he was legally able to purchase the AR. So they are all law abiding until they are not.
 
Rated R Superstar said:
Responsible gun owners never seem to be around to prevent the irresponsible folks from slaughtering people. How many of the 32,000 annual US firearm deaths are 'good guys shooting bad guys'?
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So going by your logic, people shouldn't have guns just in case they run into a person who might cause them harm.
 
We have a problem, but it's not because we can't fix it. It's because we don't want to.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729

Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret?

If you want to buy a gun in Japan you need patience and determination. You have to attend an all-day class, take a written exam and pass a shooting-range test with a mark of at least 95%.

There are also mental health and drugs tests. Your criminal record is checked and police look for links to extremist groups. Then they check your relatives too - and even your work colleagues. And as well as having the power to deny gun licences, police also have sweeping powers to search and seize weapons.

That's not all. Handguns are banned outright. Only shotguns and air rifles are allowed.
 



number1 said:
It appears like his social media was filled with all sorts of red flags. Several students were quoted saying that they knew he was off and was fascinated with guns. He apparently bought these high-powered weapons legally. I mean this is a country where people can buy high-powered weapons because of their "right to bear arms."
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Guys like Cruz are pretty much doomed because they fit outside the mold of normal. Rather than get sympathy they are usually made fun of and ignored which only amplifies their personal problems. Generally these people are ill equipped to "just change" as if changing one's personality is so easy to accomplish which it isn't. Red flags should be reported to authorities! If you see something usual, say something.
 
When one looks at the total number of school shootings, versus the number of schools and students who attend schools, the number of school shootings is less than one percent.
It's unfortunate that any school shootings occur, but it's impossible to stop school shootings totally.
 
Rated R Superstar said:
This logic never made any sense.

A guns sole purpose is to be used as a tool to harm others. Nothing else.

This has been proven time and time again.
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Dude, what are you talking about? You're taking a person's right to defend him or herself completely out of their hands and placing it on false hopes that they'll never need a gun to defend themselves. That's a very naive notion.
Now answer the question about the old lady at 2am in the morning and someone's breaking in her house. What's she supposed to do, wait frightened in a closet until the police get there? Please answer that one.
 
JayRob said:
When one looks at the total number of school shootings, versus the number of schools and students who attend schools, the number of school shootings is less than one percent.
It's unfortunate that any school shootings occur, but it's impossible to stop school shootings totally.
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But there have been 18 school shootings within the first 45 days of the year. It’s commonplace now.
 
Rated R Superstar said:
Responsible gun owners never seem to be around to prevent the irresponsible folks from slaughtering people. How many of the 32,000 annual US firearm deaths are 'good guys shooting bad guys'?
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That's not true at all. Many folks have successfully defended themselves against criminals and are alive today to tell their story....only because they had a weapon to defend themselves. Those stats aren't hard to find.
Guns are like money, it's best to have it and not need it, rather than need it and not have it.
 
Rated R Superstar said:
People don’t buy cars for the purpose of using them as weapons against others.

Ask better questions.
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That's my point, but they still kill people. A dead person is a dead person. Give better answers.
I hope that neither you or any of your elderly loved ones never have to encounter burglars or criminals trying to take them out for whatever reasons. Criminals don't play by the rules, that's why they're called criminals.
 
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JayRob said:
When one looks at the total number of school shootings, versus the number of schools and students who attend schools, the number of school shootings is less than one percent.
It's unfortunate that any school shootings occur, but it's impossible to stop school shootings totally.
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Tell the families who have lost children and loved ones to school massacres that.
 
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