Yes we did. Why is that so hard to believe? Nothing posted here even by folks who think we actually had a bid supports that we had a bid in 1989.
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Yes we did. Why is that so hard to believe? Nothing posted here even by folks who think we actually had a bid supports that we had a bid in 1989.
JR
Well-Known Member
I remember we moved the BC up one year during my time at SU. It was either my JR or SR years. You can even see the attendence dip if you go back I believe. Maybe someone from that time period can remember what year it was. I know it wasn't 84 or 85.
CATMENDUE2
The Cat Catcher II
I am one of the oleschool Grambling supporters that know for a fact we, that's Grambling was given an autobid. Duer Sharpe told the truth on national TV last night, cuz yes it definitely was taken away. I for one don't care if it ever given back either.:lol:
LOL... One team doesn't get an "autobid". It is an entire conference thing.
Grambling got a bid... not an autobid.
PV_Sigma7
Think twice, speak once
The SWAC will never get another BID.
I'll gurantee it under the present circumstances.
I agree 100% with you, and it's very puzzling to me that we (SWAC) continue to beat up on each other for that "Oh-So-Great" SWAC Championship, when there's a real NCAA FCS Championship trophy waiting to be given out. It's very sad and elementary. We would rather win 25 conference championships versus having a shot at winning the REAL FCS Championship. And because the conference is so elementary, a team that is still in the running for a SWAC Championship cannot receive a playoff bid, which makes no sense at all because it limits them to only playing in the SWAC....
CATMENDUE2
The Cat Catcher II
Panther88
Banned
I stopped reading right there. As soon as you used the word "elementary," that disqualified a lot of SWAC grads from attempting to understand where we're coming from because their level of thinking is "elementary." :lol:
Damn a SWAC football champeenship. :retard: We want the BIG one FIRST and FOREMOST... and then we'd settle for that other conference thing which is the means to an actual end. :lol:
I said on this other site that what we're about to build (stadium) is not for us to compete w/ "SWAC schools." We're building/getting bigger/better because we want to compete w/ the ut-austins, aTm B/CSs, UofHs, Rices, SMUs, SHSUs, SFAs, TxSts, ... HERE first and foremost for academic and athletic talent! The SWAC is a secondary notion to us and just a means to get to where we'd like to be. :emlaugh:
Major Flaw my Friend.
Uh, Grambling was the whole conference and still is:flippy:
Thanks for proving my point.
BgJag
Jaguar Nation
Lewis
Peabody Warhorses
You know what, PV, if thats how yall feel the PLEASE GET THE F*** OUT. Bye. We kept yall sorry arses when yall were the laughing stock of organized football, yall were the sorriest things ever put on a helmet, when yall got damn near 100 points put on yall, Yall were so sorry yall couldn't even field a damn team. Yall embarrassed the SWAC for countless years. And we kept yall sorry arses. Now yall have 1 descent year and wanna talk all this crap.
FIRST LETS BE CLEAR, YALL HAVE NO CHANCE AT THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR. YALL WOULD NOT COME CLOSE TO GETTING AN AT LARGE BID, NOT CLOSE. YOUr RPI is like 27 and your dunkel is 57, YOU HAVE 1 QUALITY WIN, against Southern, and we ain't even ranked that high. Even if yall would have played Sam Houston State, they are 4-5 this year and rated below Southern.
Sit there waiting for the NCAA to call. Just wait on that call, dummies.
PV_Sigma7
Think twice, speak once
To touch on your whole post, I was speaking for the conference as a whole, not just PV. This same issue can come back next year, and what happens if you have a 10-2 Southern team, a 10-2 PV, a 10-2 Grambling, and two highly ranked teams from the East. What happens if you have an East team that hypothetically knocks off a few of the FCS's top-ranked teams and a ranked highly in the FCS polls? What happens if we have FIVE teams in our conference who are eligible to participate in the FCS playoffs? Do we continue to punish the other three teams by declaring them "in contention for the conference championship," which would again, eliminate them from participating in the playoffs.
We're so caught up in ourselves as a conference it's damn near pitiful....
Mr. Tiger
Mr. T
There should be no debate. The links on my last post show the SWAC had an automatic bid and lost the automatic bid. I-AA rules say eight teams must be eligible for the playoffs for a conference to receive one. Seven of our teams were not eligible back then, so our bid got yanked in 1986. This conference has never worked to find solutions to the playoff debate because it isn't interested in a solution. Jackson State fans learned that a long time ago.
CATMENDUE2, in 1989 the SWAC received two at-large bids. Grambling played Stephen F. Austin. The link to prove it is below.
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=AD&p_theme=ad&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB475823652739C&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date&s_trackval=GooglePM
CATMENDUE2, in 1989 the SWAC received two at-large bids. Grambling played Stephen F. Austin. The link to prove it is below.
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=AD&p_theme=ad&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB475823652739C&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date
&s_trackval=GooglePM
I would say the only reason it's a hot topic is because of the way it is with the tie and the potential to have a member school get into the playoffs. Unlike the way jsu was looking at it where there was no tie and they wanted to go to the playoffs instead of the SCG.
Very Funny!!!!
All this :argue2: and :whine: over a playoffs not 1 us would have made this year.:retard:
Mr. Tiger
Mr. T
I think you are missing the point. The point is what if PV was 9-1 or 10-1 with a great RPI and a great chance to be in the playoff field. The SWAC's decision would eliminate them from that chance. That is what most of us deem unfair. I have always said if you are going to let some schools look out for the OWN best interest why make rules that hurt others who are also looking out for their OWN best interest. However, when I and others from JSU have made this statement we received a big :tdown:, now PV posters understand what we were talking about years ago.
Panther88
Banned
Tis true rob. I recall it just like it was yesterday. Y'all (JSUers) did say that SU/Gram were holding the entire conference back. Yep, it wasn't an issue because we certainly didn't have a dog in the hunt. Now we have a dog and feeder and we want to compete outside (FCS land). :read:
You're right Mr Tiger. We understand FULLY what you're (JSU) was saying.
Lewis
Peabody Warhorses
Well, the conference "as a whole" has decided that the playoff's are secondary, and since your school is in this conference, you have to either live with it or get out. Just like we live with the SCG in Birmingham. No one is "punishing" your sorry little school. You just can't have your cake and eat it to. Look at it like this, lets say PV is 6-5 but wins the west (say 4 losses were out of conference) There would be zero chance for the playoffs and yall would be jumping for joy to go to the SCG. You want it both ways, and you can't have that. The conference as a whole can't have that.
So to make it simple, you play for the SCG, whenever you are eliminated from that, only then, if there is a chance for the playoffs. is that considered, and that is the way it should be. You are part of this conference first.
Although it is another debate, I say **** them playoffs, they don't mean much either, they are a money loser. They were put there to keep 1AA hands out of the real bowl money and give them something else to do to git rid of them during the post season. When they put it together and changed the dates, they knew what they were doing to the tradition of Black College football on THanksgiving and didn't give a Sh*t about us.
Back then, the Bayou Classic, The Soul Bowl, and the Turkey Day Classic was 3 of the biggest games in 1AA, them white school didn't have anything that could match it.
You see, in there eyes, a 1AA team ain't supposed to have a game like Bayou Classic and ain't supposed to have a TV contract like that. THat is reserved for 1A schools. But Southern and Grambling stuck to thier guns and stood up for what we built, and didn't sell out to that garbage. Look at the Soul Bowl now, not 1 Jackson state person can say it is what it used to be.
If the NCAA cared as much about the 1AA playoffs as yall do, why isn't it wrapped up in the BCS TV contract instead of being on ESPN2. Not even ESPN, but ESPN2. Because the NCAA AND ESPN knows it aint about much and nobody cares. Wake up
Mr. Tiger
Mr. T
Actually, "this live with it or get out" message could have been used for Southern, Grambling, and Alabama State when in 1986 they decided to put their own interest ahead of the conference interest, costing the SWAC its automatic bid. So let's drop that message now in reference to PV. PV has a valid argument.
Point is not being missed.....When the decision was made, the swac had a winning southern, a winning j-state, an up-n-coming grambling, a newcomer who had won on a lower level in aamu. I agree that j-state fans/supporters/etc would looked at in a :shame: way when they were :kaioken: over the decision. But some/few believe we should change 'cause 1 team has a good record?:noidea: Even if they qualified, PV didn't have the rankings to make the playoffs....no swac team has since '05.
I mean, lets go back to no-division and everyone play each other (like in basketball)!!!!!!! Then lets see who gets an at-large bid. Its been proven that when a team has won the conference and was good enuff to make the playoffs, they received a bid.....and that's w/out other members moving games. But when these teams went how much did they receive?
Then lets see how many of these quality OOC games we pick up? Playing 9 means you only have 2 to choose from...and we make most from "classics" whereas sometimes the opponents are chosen for us and they nearly are always another HBCU. Therefore how are we gonna raise our OOC schedule? And most teams want to play at home....how many teams have hosted PWC'S on their home field in the last 3-5 yrs.
PV has had an awesome year but if they had handled their business, it wouldn't have come to this.....they beat grambling and there is no coin flip! They play someone besides tx college and get ranked in the top 15, then they have ammo to fight with.
If you wanna make a complaint, complain how PV might not make the SCG and Frazier will definitely be out of the consideration of being coach of the year!!! when what he's done is twice as worthy as any other coach.....except maybe bradshaw....and he shoulda won it last year!
We didn't change a thing. Our decision was made back when the 1st BC was played in the early 70s.
Mr. Tiger
Mr. T
Once again, the date of the Bayou Classic changed several times. Southern and Grambling pushed the classic date back making both teams ineligible for the playoffs. The move along with the date of the Turkey Day Classic cost the SWAC its automatic bid.
No the date was only pushed UP in certain years for various reasons as stated by a few folks already.