First off brah, the Republican Party ain't really trying to fight this bill... Right now they are trying to make sure they show their faces to get re-elected.
Not true, they have operatives out trying to kill this bill, by getting the public upset. What do you think Sarah Palin's role is for example? They have even said that this would be Obama’s waterloo. So we know they want to kill/fight this bill
That’s not completely true.... It's the PEOPLE that have read the HOUSE bill that are BOTH Democrats and Republicans that are raising QUESTIONS.... It should not matter your party if you have a legit HONEST question.
There is indeed racism going on.. it was going on when Obama was running.. But that has nothing to do with the LEGIT questions being asked about what's written in the House Bill
This Republican Party is following the lead of the "PEOPLE"..... Just the same as the Democratic Party follows the lead of the "PEOPLE" when it comes to wars......
Again not true, if you notice they really have the old crowd hype up with lies about affecting Medicare, which is gov. run by the way.
We are always the ones to MAKE noise because the people we elect says anything.. you don't find nothing wrong or odd ballish about that?
PJ is 100% correct! We don't need to rush health care like we have no tomorrow..
Are you hearing and seeing something I am not seeing? Most of my family is poor. They are getting medical care when they need it! It's costing us tax payers our hard earned money, but this been going on for years...
Again not true, if you count emergency room care as getting health care then you are off base, the best form of care if preventative care. Able body adults do not qualify for gov/Medicare. So if your employer does not offer it (ie burger king/mcd/other small mom and pops. You don’t have it. We are paying more for health care because of emergency room help vs. preventative care.
Nothing I said was false!!!.... I know and have seen this shyt.. Like I said I have family members that do this shyt... What you said is also true. Those with no coverage flood the ER rooms.... BUT that is not a reason to RUSH a BILL in a matter of WEEKS where opposed to MONTHS or however long it take to GET IT RIGHT!!!!
This whole argument is about, NOT RUSHING and answering the people questions and giving the PEOPLE what the PEOPLE want!
I know first hand these poor folk been pushing out babies they can barely afford, but I ain't hearing no stories of some 3rd world country type shyt going on.. EVERY now and then you may hear of a story where a poor family rental house burned down because they couldn't afford lights and had to use candles...
The gov is providing medical for preg. Women because again it is cheaper to provide upfront care than wait until she has the baby and have complications. Then it would be really expensive to help take care of the baby and mother. Once the mother has the baby, she is no longer eligible for medical unless she is receiving TANF. How is it that Canada who has a single payer system, have lower birth mortality rate than the US, longer life span than the US. Everyone is covered, yes they pay taxes, but what do you call your insurance bill from your employer? I know the avg family at my job pays about $250 month to have medical coverage; some of my friends that work other jobs pay more. What is the difference in paying that vs paying taxes which probably will not be as high as your current medical coverage.
AGAIN!!! I am not saying we need NO reform.. I am saying ANSWER the questions that are being ask of the already written BILL.
At some point you have to look at "some" of this stuff with a suspicious eye. We only know of what the present situation MAY be because of what the media told us.
That goes both ways, if medcial industry is willing to pay what 100 billion (over 10 years) upfront to get the gov to back off, how much are they really making off the American people. One health industry ceo was pay like 1 billion in bonus money. That tells me that we have to pay for that bonus.
AGAIN!! You are bringing up all the problems we all know about in this present health care system.....
Now if you are advocating a single payer system, SAY THAT!!! Then I would have to ask you, why Obama say he don’t support and have never stated he wanted a single payer health care system.... When HE did indeed SAY it... TWICE.... I already posted one of the clips... Why don't you bring this single payer system up in that thread.... SO you can explain why Obama is Lying about his stance
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It's been a house bill out for a few weeks now.. So this is why people are showing to these townhall meetings with the bills and page numbers in hand asking questions, real questions.... All the democrats are doing is calling them lies and rumors.... The shyt is written in the HOUSE BILL..... If the people are reading it wrong.. EXPLAIN that..... If it's something in the bill that will be taken out, SAY THAT... don't sit there and call it a rumor when it's in the house bill.....
These people aren't stupid and these Politicians are showing up to these town halls like their constituents are just that.... we have to realize most of these folk think that way...They already had money from jump, graduated from IVY league schools (majority of them) so most of them have an elite attitude and KNOW shyt we don't ...
They are showing up because operatives are putting out lies, like the death panel (lie), like the gov. is going to take away Medicare(lie), the end of care payment(lie)
how is it a LIE when it's in the HOUSE bill covered in LEGAL terms that LAWYERS that have read the bill broke DOWN to common terms.. Then when presented to these politicians at the Townhalls they just say it's a LIE... EVEN After they SHOW the PAGE and section of the BILL that states it!!! That would be there golden opportunity to explain it right?!?!?!
BUT...it's our fault.. we all have the notion one can't lead our districts, states, country unless you have an IVY league education.
We hear about CHANGE.. but Washington has the same blue print on both sides of the aisle..
True but I’m not seeing any balance from you on this issue, you sound like the republicans to me. Almost all of your talking points have been the same that I heard listening to Fox radio and watching the news.
Back to the topic:
I respect your rebutal because you obviously have a true posistion on this... But think about this. It's times when I am strongly against WARS when folk automatically assume I'm a democrat especially because I am black and saying the things I said about Bush.... Especially how I know in my heart Bush had something to do with 911...
If there is any one with balance, brah I am the one....
Just so happens the Government who has been railroading us all is majority Democrats this time around
Obama has made statements in the past and is now making claims he never said it..... At least give the people a lil more credit than that and say you have changed your stance...
How can I trust him on this bill when there is clear audio and video of him lying about his stance... And then admitting he don't know the full details of the house bill and when anyone brings up what's in the house bill, he says we don't know what we are talking about.
I don't care who you are, you ain't going to play me for stupid.
