Don't like what the U.S. requires of immigrants.......





"The message is loud and clear: If you want to live here, you must respect European values like freedom of expression and speech, and integrate. If you don't like it, don't come here."

What's wrong with that?!?!

Also, this might not be the right thread for this question/statement, but what I don't understand is...
Why try to change the laws/rules in the country you want to become a citizen of and NOT change the laws/rule of the country you are trying to leave?

If Mexican immigrants (and I know they aren't the only immigrants) can come and march here in the U.S. to make changes, why can't they march/protest in Mexico to make changes?
 
southsuburbs said:
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If Mexican immigrants (and I know they aren't the only immigrants) can come and march here in the U.S. to make changes, why can't they march/protest in Mexico to make changes?
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That's so true................but you know.....................people here won't see it that way.

There's nothing wrong with what HOLLAND is doing....................I just hate it when people gloss over every other countries policies and hammer the U.S.

BTW: Why don't people google up what happens to people from El Salvador and places like that when they are caught crossing over into MEXICO.
 
How different is this from what the U.S. requires for citizenship? Other than maybe the language thing it is not quite as difficult.
 
staggalee83 said:
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BTW: Why don't people google up what happens to people from El Salvador and places like that when they are caught crossing over into MEXICO.

I could have sworn that I read that Mexico was making them citizens so that they could make their way up to the U.S. border and cross.

And I don't know who in their right mind can't see that it makes no sense to try and come to another country to change it. If yours is crap why should you come and try to run ours.
 
jag4life said:
How different is this from what the U.S. requires for citizenship? Other than maybe the language thing it is not quite as difficult.

The U.S. don't DIS-ALLOW citizenship based on what a person say about a video. You DON't have to believe in GAY Marriage, Legal Drugs, Legal Prostitution to be a citizen......................That's the difference.

Again.........It's their country and they can do what they want.

But how in the he!! you gonna look at yourself as so foward thinking and LIBERAL if you exclude anyone that don't think like you.

The U.S. let illegal MF's march in the streets, business owners had to close and lose money.

What was done...........................Not a dang thing because if they had started asking for GREEN CARDS at those marches, everyone would have had a stroke.
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
I could have sworn that I read that Mexico was making them citizens so that they could make their way up to the U.S. border and cross.

And I don't know who in their right mind can't see that it makes no sense to try and come to another country to change it. If yours is crap why should you come and try to run ours.

NO........They arses go to a Mexican PRISON.
And when I say PRISON...................I MEAN CUT-THROAT, MURDERER, MANIAC, DRUG DEALER PRISON.
 
staggalee83 said:
The U.S. don't DIS-ALLOW citizenship based on what a person say about a video. You DON't have to believe in GAY Marriage, Legal Drugs, Legal Prostitution to be a citizen......................That's the difference.

I didn't read where Holland makes people believe in that either. You just have to view the video and decide for yourself if you want to live among that.
 
jag4life said:
I didn't read where Holland makes people believe in that either.

Go back and watch the story again.

If you don't believe in these things and others on this video, which are all legal in Holland, you won't even get the chance to become a citizen.

So if you don't agree ..........................You better lie your arse off just to get the chance to become a citizen.
 
it looks like they put stuff in the film they know that devout muslims wouldn't tolerate so they can keep them out of the country. in truth they aren't tolerant at all. they appear to be a fairly homogenous community that has isolated it's immigrants (just as much as they have isolated themselves) socially and economically. boy, fear is a powerful tool isn't it. I mean, I could imagine that you could use fear to get an entire population to give up civil liberties, like privacy. I mean, imagine if the gov't was able to see what you check out at the library and go undercover into your church...oh, guess, I don't have to imagine. As for ole boy and his wife. He can't get to holland, why can't his wife leave? lol. shady! it is intresting though that many muslims were saying that the dutch cartoonist shouldn't have done the cartoon per islamic law......which he is not subject to since he isn't muslim.
 
AAMU Alum said:
I don't live in Holland.
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What I wanna know is, why weren't the illegal immigrants beaten, had dogs sicced on em, and sprayed w/water hoses, while marching/protesting?
 
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They damm sho should have been arrested.

They should have been fired also for walking off jobs...........................Legal and Illegal.
 
Warndalyn said:
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What I wanna know is, why weren't the illegal immigrants beaten, had dogs sicced on em, and sprayed w/water hoses, while marching/protesting?


Hey...hey...hey...that's the same thing that my dad and I discussed last week. We are sick of the media trying to justify their marches as civil rights marchess.
 



http://www.suntimes.com/output/brown/cst-nws-brown03.html


Minutemen recruit blacks against illegal immigrants

May 3, 2006

BY MARK BROWN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

The group of 10 to 15 men who took up positions Tuesday outside the gate of a meat processing plant in Pullman see the world a little differently than the 400,000 people who marched one day earlier through the Loop.

"Illegal!" they shouted at any Latino-looking person who popped into view. "Illegal!"

For the handful of self-styled immigration enforcers from the Chicago Minuteman Project, this was old hat.

This time, though, they had some new comrades-in-arms: a contingent of African-American men, mostly ex-offenders involved with an organization that advocates finding jobs for individuals with criminal records.

Amnesty for ex-offenders?
"These people haven't served time for their crimes, and they're getting amnesty," complained Mark Carter, 32, of Lawndale, who says he went to prison on a drug offense. "We're being pushed aside. The ex-offenders should have got amnesty before any illegal aliens. Are there certain laws that certain people can break?"

Carter's friend from Roseland, Paul McKinley, a leader of the group, Voice of the Ex-Offender, later suggested a solution with eerie echoes: "Send them back where they come from."

Illegal immigration is an extremely sensitive issue across the African-American community, and the problem of unemployed young men with criminal pasts is just one subset.

The economic competition from America's latest immigrant wave is felt most directly among African Americans, and there is keen resentment of efforts to characterize immigration rights as a "civil rights" issue.

That's part of why Rick Biesada, 66, a white trucking company owner from Lindenhurst who co-founded the Chicago Minuteman Project, reached out to the Rev. Anthony Williams, pastor of an Englewood church, to organize Tuesday's joint protest.

Biesada said Williams, with whom he had worked on Alan Keyes' campaign for the U.S. Senate, had alerted him to the meat processing company's employing illegal immigrants at the expense of American citizens from the neighboring community.

'Not a question of race'
It didn't hurt either that by teaming up with black protesters the Minutemen could blunt accusations that their usual tactics are racist.

"It's not a question of race," Williams assured me after emerging from a meeting with the plant manager. "We don't want to get into the issue of bashing our brown brothers and sisters."

This was only minutes after Biesada had told me: "The only thing that's not being put in any of these columns is how many of these people are coming into the country with a contagious disease, and our children have to go to school with them."

So now it's in one of these columns and you can decide for yourself whether that's a legitimate public health concern or the same kind of slander that's been directed at immigrants for centuries.

Williams said it's just a matter of economics. Illegal immigrants will work for less. Therefore, they're getting the jobs that should be going to people from his community.

Williams, pastor at St. Stephens Lutheran Church in Englewood, is running for Congress in the November election as a Libertarian against Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. His history of taking on both Jacksons, Jr. and Sr., has given him a following in certain political circles, but not many votes to show for it so far.

He seems to think this issue will help him do better in that regard. He may be right. Just because there were only 15 protesters compared to 400,000 doesn't mean that I don't realize which side is truly outnumbered in this debate.

Mexican-bashing is no solution
Neither Biesada nor Williams offered any evidence that the company employed illegal workers, which is why I'm not naming it, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Meat processing is one of the industries now dominated by Latino workers.

The plant manager said an outside agency handled the company's hiring, but promised he would investigate to make sure all his workers had legal status to be there. He also handed out a couple of job applications.

McKinley and Carter know that just putting in an application won't necessarily help their group of ex-offenders, whose past convictions often eliminate them from consideration. Many of these convictions were for small-time drug crimes, they say, drugs being the best available economic opportunity for young black men.

McKinley, whose own conviction was for armed violence, said he plans many similar protests in the future.

I appreciate their problem, but I don't think Mexican-bashing is going to help them solve it.

After we spoke, Carter went over to harass a Hispanic fellow cutting the grass, bringing along a video camera he had been using to record the event. The "interview" didn't last long. The guy couldn't speak English.
 
Warndalyn said:
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What I wanna know is, why weren't the illegal immigrants beaten, had dogs sicced on em, and sprayed w/water hoses, while marching/protesting?[/QUOTE


Well do anyone know.:winkgrin:
 
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