Do white/black Police officers receive different fire arm training?


CEE DOG

CEE DOG

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Do white/black Police officers receive different fire arm training when it comes to shooting suspects? I mean if its not racist what's going on with all these killings it must be the training huh? The black officers work in these same areas, if not worst areas then these white cops. Why is it they aren't killing these black men like their white counter parts?
 
They receive the same training, but most Black police officers see everyone as human beings instead of some big Black monster. It all has to do with one's upbringing and perception. Most White police officers were raised to believe that all Black people are bad in general. I still say this scene in the movie "Men In Black" conveyed a powerful message when it first came out, which this country as a whole are just now talking about due to the recent killings of unarmed Black men by White cops. The name of the scene is "the most unlikely threat", which is everyone that society sees as monsters are probably really not monsters and everyone that society sees as little angels are probably the real monsters.

 



Using the source from the other thread, 115 whites have been killed by police since 1/1/15. During that same time period, 85 blacks have been killed by police. That's not a very large disparity, and doesn't suggest that there is a witch hunt on black men.
 
s phi s said:
Using the source from the other thread, 115 whites have been killed by police since 1/1/15. During that same time period, 85 blacks have been killed by police. That's not a very large disparity, and doesn't suggest that there is a witch hunt on black men.
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How many have been killed unarmed by white cops would be a better statistics. Most of those white males actually were threats with weapons. Big difference.
 
CEE DOG said:
How many have been killed unarmed by white cops would be a better statistics. Most of those white males actually were threats with weapons. Big difference.
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I'm not trying to be an arse or split hairs, so I hope y'all don't take it that way....But how do you know this? I know the news of the last week has sensationalized this issue yet again, and I do agree that its something that needs to be discussed and addressed....

But I still think if the PRESS covered the issue as fairly and balanced as they could, they would see that unarmed whites have been killed by officers, in some cases black officers, and we couldn't even tell you their name. Yet, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" was the hottest thing going to close out 2014. The issue is there across the board, and I don't believe there is some huge conspiracy to hold the black man down.
 
I agree it is no conspo, but there is truth to white cops wanting to prove their manhood against black street guys. I've heard the stories from many black cops I know. I don't think they are telling a lie either.
 
s phi s said:
Using the source from the other thread, 115 whites have been killed by police since 1/1/15. During that same time period, 85 blacks have been killed by police. That's not a very large disparity, and doesn't suggest that there is a witch hunt on black men.
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Mane...I done told you that you can't be using numbers this way. You getting kind of dangerous with your logic here.
Look...try traffic deaths...
Traffic Deaths 2007
White - 31,031
Black - 5,432

Using your logic (which isn't correct) the white-black automobile death ratio is less than 6:1 (which is similar to the pop. ratio). So...lets apply your logic to police shooting deaths...that ratio is 1.4:1. So, how can it that be? Are whites that much worse drivers or are police just more likely to shoot and kill black people?
 
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MetroPhillyTiger said:
Mane...I done told you that you can't be using numbers this way. You getting kind of dangerous with your logic here.
Look...try traffic deaths...
Traffic Deaths 2007
White - 31,031
Black - 5,432

Using your logic (which isn't correct) the white-black automobile death ratio is less than 6:1 (which is similar to the pop. ratio). So...lets apply your logic to police shooting deaths...that ratio is 1.4:1. So, how can it that be? Are whites that much worse drivers or are police just more likely to shoot and kill black people?
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Apply that same logic to the traffic numbers in Ferguson, where 80% of traffic citations went to the group that makes up 64% of the population. I'm not saying that your numbers, premise, or logic are wrong, incorrect, or flawed. I'm just saying don't change the way you look at them to fit the agenda that is being pushed.

My logic is sound, not dangerous. And it's not influenced by the hot narrative of the moment.
 
s phi s said:
Using the source from the other thread, 115 whites have been killed by police since 1/1/15. During that same time period, 85 blacks have been killed by police. That's not a very large disparity, and doesn't suggest that there is a witch hunt on black men.
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It's should be based on population percentage. Demographically speaking, Whites make up 72.4% of the U.S. population and Blacks make up 12.6% of the U.S. population. If you take the overall number of individuals killed by the police and determined the percentage of Whites killed by the police versus the percentage of Blacks killed by the police, I'm pretty sure the percentage for White killed by the police is well under 72.4% (Population Percentage of Whites in U.S.) and the percentage of Blacks killed by the police is well over 12.6% (Population Percentage of Blacks in U.S.). Statistically the numbers you presented disproportionally show a higher percentage of Black people are being killed by the police than Whites when compared to the overall population percentage. For example, if the total number of people killed by the police in the same time period was 250 individuals and per your numbers (115 Whites killed by the police and 85 Blacks killed by the police in the same time period), then the percentage of Whites killed by the police will equal 46% (115 X 100% / 250) and the percentage of Blacks killed by the police will equal 34% (85 X 100% / 250). Therefore, the percentage of Blacks being killed by the polices equals 2.7 times U.S. Black population percentage (12.6%) and percentage of Whites being killed by the police equals 0.64 times U.S. White population percentage (72.4%).

Percentage of Blacks killed by the police = 2.7 X 12.6% = 34%
Percentage of Whites killed by the police = 0.64 X 72.4% = 46%

The way I see it, the numerical value 2.7 is a lot greater than numerical value 0.64. Somehow I can't see how you can say that there is no disparity between Blacks and Whites when it comes to individuals being killed by the police.
 
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JAG89 said:
It's should be based on population percentage. Demographically speaking, Whites makes up 72.4% of the U.S. population and Blacks makes up 12.6% of the U.S. population. If you take the overall number of individuals killed by the police and determined the percentage of Whites killed by the police versus the percentage of Blacks killed by the police, I'm pretty sure the percentage for White killed by the police is well under 72.4% (Population Percentage of Whites in U.S.) and percentage of Blacks killed by the police is well over 12.6% (Population Percentage of Blacks in U.S.). Statistically the numbers you presented disproportionally show a higher percentage of Black people are being killed by the police than Whites when compared to the overall population percentage. For example, if total number of people killed by the police in the same time period was 250 individuals, then the percentage of Whites killed by the police will equal 46% and the percentage of Blacks killed by the police will equal 34%. Therefore, the percentage of Blacks being killed by the polices equals 2.7 times their population percentage (12.6%) and percentage of Whites being killed by the police equals 0.64 times their population percentage (72.4%).

Percentage of Blacks killed by the police = 2.7 X 12.6% = 34%
Percentage of Whites killed by the police = 0.64 X 72.4% = 46%

The way I see it, the numerical value 2.7 is a lot greater than numerical value 0.64. Somehow I can't see how you can say that there is no disparity between Blacks and Whites when it comes to individuals being killed by the police.
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Again, that is not what I'm saying. Never has been.

Using your logic, the numbers from the link that someone provided, this link (https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p25-1143.pdf refer to page 10 for percentages) providing 2014 census numbers, and some math....

115 whites + 85 blacks = 200 deaths (number not completely accurate as some don't list race of the deceased)

Whites killed by police = 62% of population x 58% of deaths = 36%
Blacks killed by police = 12% of population x 43% of deaths = 5%

That's using year to date numbers. Numbers can be manipulated to tell any story you want.
 



s phi s said:
Again, that is not what I'm saying. Never has been.

Using your logic, the numbers from the link that someone provided, this link (https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p25-1143.pdf refer to page 10 for percentages) providing 2014 census numbers, and some math....

115 whites + 85 blacks = 200 deaths (number not completely accurate as some don't list race of the deceased)

Whites killed by police = 62% of population x 58% of deaths = 36%
Blacks killed by police = 12% of population x 43% of deaths = 5%

That's using year to date numbers. Numbers can be manipulated to tell any story you want.
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Just noticed a mistake that I made in the calculations I did.

The TOTAL number of deaths for that time period is 314.

That makes the new numbers go like this....

Whites = 62% of population x 36% of deaths = 22%
Blacks = 12% of population x 27% of deaths = 3%
 
s phi s said:
Again, that is not what I'm saying. Never has been.

Using your logic, the numbers from the link that someone provided, this link (https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p25-1143.pdf refer to page 10 for percentages) providing 2014 census numbers, and some math....

115 whites + 85 blacks = 200 deaths (number not completely accurate as some don't list race of the deceased)

Whites killed by police = 62% of population x 58% of deaths = 36%
Blacks killed by police = 12% of population x 43% of deaths = 5%

That's using year to date numbers. Numbers can be manipulated to tell any story you want.
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So you are saying the number of people killed by the police equals some percentage of the population times some percentage of death???? Something about your math just doesn't look right. Like some engineering students will do when solving a engineering problem, follow your units (percentage) with each mathematical calculation and you will see what I mean. It's basic logic.
 
I'm not running from ANYTHING. I acknowledge that there IS an issue, and one that needs SERIOUS, REALISTIC conversation. Not something driven by media rhetoric or manipulated mathematical formulas. THAT's what people are RUNNING from.
 
JAG89 said:
That's because White supremacy have them confused and blinded from the truth, basically void of all logic.
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The initial post of this thread basically points out how these incidents are, in fact, racially driven, and @s phi s is in here tying himself in statistical knots trying to prove why they're not.

Eric Harris was hunted down like a damn deer in the woods and mocked. "F--k your breath"....but these incidents aren't racial.

Get the hell outta here with that B.S.
 
JAG89 said:
So you are saying the number of people killed by the police equals some percentage of the population times some percentage of death???? Something about your math just doesn't look right. Like some engineering students will do when solving a engineering problem, follow your units (percentage) with each mathematical calculation and you will see what I mean. It's basic logic.
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What?

I used YOUR formula presented in the post above with current statistics instead of hypotheticals.
 
There are no formulas to manipulate when it's just basic logic. This is not like some chemistry problem where an equation can be manipulated by extracting some chemical element.
 
s phi s said:
I'm not trying to be an arse or split hairs, so I hope y'all don't take it that way....But how do you know this? I know the news of the last week has sensationalized this issue yet again, and I do agree that its something that needs to be discussed and addressed....

But I still think if the PRESS covered the issue as fairly and balanced as they could, they would see that unarmed whites have been killed by officers, in some cases black officers, and we couldn't even tell you their name. Yet, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" was the hottest thing going to close out 2014. The issue is there across the board, and I don't believe there is some huge conspiracy to hold the black man down.
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I rest my case.
 
s phi s said:
What?

I used YOUR formula presented in the post above with current statistics instead of hypotheticals.
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What formula did I use??? It's just basic math/statistics. I've never heard of a percent time a percent equaling some number, but I have heard of some number time a percent divided by a percent equaling some number. For example: 100 x 20% / 100% = 20. Put it like this, your mathematical calculations are completely incoherent and makes no sense.
 
2kool said:
I rest my case.
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As we say in math, s phi s has completely gone off the tangent. I really suggest he invest in one of these books.

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