Congressional shame

[SUtrp96]

I already stated in my previous quote that the car insurance companies plan need to be tweaked. They are they way they are b/c there is no other OPTION. Car insurance companies have been raping consumers for years and nothing has been done to remedy it. Ever wonder why? I agree that car insurance plans are bullshat, but in its current state, it "appears to work" and it is helpful. It does require some tweaking...especially if we could at least get lower premiums and deductibles, it would be great. But how do we get that?

If you are saying the car insurance companies appear to be working.. Wouldn't atleast opening the state lines for Health Insurance be a step in the right direction.. Along with both auto and health care insurance policies being tweaked?

You, yourself are proposing the same plan--get insurance across state lines--with health care companies and you see how unfair car insurance is with the same philosophy! :noidea: All I'm trying to tell you is that health care across state lines aint gon do shat. It'll do the same thing that car insurance across state lines does. Insurance executives will create a standard rate to appease consumers and government and then when the issue starts to die down, they'll increase the rates annually and we'll be right back in this shat hole they we are in currently!

In my opinion if the government is going to do anything, govern the insurance companies a lot better and stop them from getting over on the people...
"true republicans would not agree with what I just said"... but that's how "I" feel.. all of the RIGHT answers lie right between both parties.. and both sides know that. They stick to their one sidedness both parties to keep confusion amongst US the people.

Huh! Are you serious? Americans are irresponsible as it is right now and you talking tax cuts. If we keep more of our money, we'll waste it. History has shown us this throughout. :nod: Hell, we aint even got enough jobs out there to even propose "effective tax cuts!"

I clearly don't agree with you on this... Those of us earning nice middle class salaries for the most part are responsible.. I can be even more responsible if I can keep more of my %35-$38 percent of my hard earned money they are taking from me.. And I know that hold true for a lot of people.. The democratic party want us to feel like we NEED them. No teach the people to be more independent and responsible, not to feel like WE need government all in our lives and money.

A lie. If you don't have auto insurance and you get pulled over, you'll get a ticket..for not having insurance i.e. a fine! They only way the ticket is waived is if you get insurance before your court date!

Where did I tell a lie? I said "IF" you get pulled over... You are usually pulled over for running a light, not having a brake tag, driving intoxicated or speeding... all which put the public in way of harm.... But if you are following the speed limit and all traffic laws it is very rare you would get pulled over.

Unless you are talking about racial profiling.. but then you have a case against the police department.

I don't agree with your stance. Provide some facts and maybe it would be more substantial.

Everyone in here is posting their opinion. On other issues in the past I have posted clips of people saying what some of you thought they didn't say, bills some of you thought were a lie...

But unfortunately I haven't seen the same from some of you that's always shooting down the next man because of difference in politcal stance and opinion.


:tup:

 

[C.O.G.]

Source

Another prediction:
Wilson will not run.

Each of his past elections were closer and closer.

 

[C.O.G.]

I was actually going to listen tot he links that Royal Butt posted. (I would not respond to him.)
Each one came up FOX NEWS. I closed them out.

 

[C.O.G.]

This country is falling apart in front our own eyes..
What dude did was out of line...

It was MANY times BUSH LIED and no one outburst like that.. He went to another country and had some shoes tossed at him... but not here in America...

What's sad about this all.... Many of the republican actions are making people who see them as being racist not really question and challenge what barack is putting in front of us...

Just like some asking for the page where is says this to prove Barack isn't telling a lie... Actions like that Repub. also make a lot of you FORGET to wonder and ASK where it OMITS illegal immigrants from receiving health care under this bill...

We should never just go off ANY man's word with out proof.

We should not disrespect a president because of the color of his skin.
We should not call a man a lie because of the color ofhis skin.

Problem is you are right. Why have things changed since Obama became president? Why is there a different standard?
Compare how hard this man has worked. Consider how much he has accomplished. If he were white he would have earned a 'pass' on what he says by now.

 

[C.O.G.]

:lmao:

LINK

Here is what I found at the link:

Joe Wilson

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Please come back shortly

 

[C.O.G.]

SS, your logic is so....LOGICAL!!! Everyone should read this. There is universal care now...Let's change the rules so that hospitals get paid!!!

When I went to Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s town hall meeting here a guy that's on the Board of the Roseland Community Hospital spoke. Roseland Community Hospital is one of the smaller hospitals in Cook County, and poorer hospitals. He basically said that folks are quick to ask where are we going to get the money to pay for all these people to get insurance, the public option, etc. He stated that Roseland doesn't have a lot of money, and it doesn't, but last year alone the hospital covered $23 MILLION dollars worth of uninsured patients. THat money wasn't in their budget but it got covered so why not just do it up front vs. on the end.

It's funny peopel forget that we area already covering the uninsured when they go to the hospital.

Example:
on the CNN special a couple of months ago it talked about a Black man that's a preacher somewhere in the south. He said he started feeling a tingling sensation in his hand so he went to the free clinic. He had recently lost his job/benefits. So the free clinic kept sending him home, telling him nothings wrong. But he knew that wasn't right and kept going back. SAme thing...they sent him home. Finally...a doctor overheard him talking about his situation and told him to come to his office. THe doctor ran ONE simple blood sugar test...the man had diabetes and is now doing better. But b/c he didn't have insurance the clinics wouldn't even run a simple blood sugar test.

How does that make sense? Let's say he never found out he had diabetes and kept getting turned around. Eventually those same clinics/hospitals would have had to treat him when he came in with much worse symptoms, such as his hand having to get cut off. Which I'm sure that procedure and all the follow-up/therapy is WAAAAAYYYY more expensive then a simple blood sugar test.

:noidea:
Doesn't make sense to me...

 

[coldsweat]

If you are saying the car insurance companies appear to be working.. Wouldn't atleast opening the state lines for Health Insurance be a step in the right direction.. Along with both auto and health care insurance policies being tweaked?

Sounds good in theory, but no! Because if there is no regulation created or another option, who will stop the insurance companies from gradually increasing the plans annually! Can't be the government. Hell, they can't force health insurance companies to do ANYTHING as it stands RIGHT NOW. Sure, it sounds good now, but when the clouds clear, it's right back to the same thing for insurance companies...PROFIT! :shame: And we'll be stuck back in the same boat..asking for COMPLETE Reform and not a partial one.

In my opinion if the government is going to do anything, govern the insurance companies a lot better and stop them from getting over on the people...
"true republicans would not agree with what I just said"... but that's how "I" feel.. all of the RIGHT answers lie right between both parties.. and both sides know that. They stick to their one sidedness both parties to keep confusion amongst US the people.

Understandable, but if government could do this, wouldn't it have been done by now! Health care has been an issue for over 20 years. Even Bill Clinton tried his hand at this thing and look where it got us! You just admitted that "true Repubs" don't even want government forcing the insurance companies to essentially do what's right! Does that not sound focked up or what? :shame: This just goes to show you that they REALLY don't want reform because they are in the back pockets of the insurance companies.

I clearly don't agree with you on this... Those of us earning nice middle class salaries for the most part are responsible.. I can be even more responsible if I can keep more of my %35-$38 percent of my hard earned money they are taking from me..

Okay..I should have said the middle class tends to be more responsible mainly because we have been footing the bill in America for the past 40 years or so! :shame: But in all honesty, you can't expect the lower income poverty level class to be responsible. And ironically, that's who requires most of the healthcare these days because of 1)their lifestyle, 2)economic status, 3)eating habits and 4)environment! I can go on and on about this, but I think you get the point.

Everyone in here is posting their opinion. On other issues in the past I have posted clips of people saying what some of you thought they didn't say, bills some of you thought were a lie...

But unfortunately I haven't seen the same from some of you that's always shooting down the next man because of difference in politcal stance and opinion.
:tup:

All I'm saying is health care is a delicate issue. I've thought about the strategy on this for several months now and the issue remains true. If we don't do it now, it'll never be done. And the only reason the GOP doesn't want to do it now, is because they are hoping BO doesn't get a 2nd term and they can push for health care then to make them more popular. All this is, is political warfare and most Americans can't see it b/c they are caught up in the emotional ocean of it all! :shame: We are here to look out for one another. So if it takes an extra $50.00 - $75.00 out of my paycheck or so to look out for my other brethren..I'm all in! Because in the end, we are ALL in the same boat whether we realize it or not.

 

[bluedog]

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[ROYAL BLUE]

I was actually going to listen tot he links that Royal Butt posted. (I would not respond to him.)
Each one came up FOX NEWS. I closed them out.

YOU LIE..................


CNN Barack Obama Health Care Benefits For Illegal Aliens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Ppbz6nSvw

 

[CEE DOG]

Somebody should have stood up and said "Black Power". That would really make them crackers mad.

 

[C.O.G.]

YOU LIE..................


CNN Barack Obama Health Care Benefits For Illegal Aliens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Ppbz6nSvw

Yo mama.

Now tell me that to my face. I am not Obama!

 

[SUtrp96]

Okay..I should have said the middle class tends to be more responsible mainly because we have been footing the bill in America for the past 40 years or so! But in all honesty, you can't expect the lower income poverty level class to be responsible. And ironically, that's who requires most of the healthcare these days because of 1)their lifestyle, 2)economic status, 3)eating habits and 4)environment! I can go on and on about this, but I think you get the point.

I agree with that...BUT, check out what you just said.. the irresponsible parties is the poor (majority democrats)... they are the ones tearing the system up..So why force these radical changes on everyone?

And if we admit the poor are the irresponsible ones, what makes you think they will be responsible enough to pay for any health care?

you and i both know our poor people they will not pay for nothing they can't account for...meaning... before the cable people got strict and was ready to prosecute the poor for stealing cable they NOW pay for it because they use it everyday... a lot of poor don't have house phones any more for emergency..
so i know they aint going to get health care insurance no matter who provides it... and mark my words, there will be an influx of folk that will jump on board in the beginning to say they are supporting Obama... But soon as they get notice of that next party, card game,bingo....and they see they short on ends...."Man fug that health insurance... then it will be a gang of poor people facing fines... and again the mighty middle class will have to bail them out...

 

[SUtrp96]

Yo mama.

Now tell me that to my face. I am not Obama!

:lol:

yall dudes wild...lol

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Yo mama.

Now tell me that to my face. I am not Obama!

All I need to do is point out that you lied, therefore you should be content with what the bible says you are................ A LIAR!


Psalm 116:11 I said in my haste, “All men are liars.”


Yep, my mama has lied....................so what's your point?

 

[coldsweat]

I agree with that...BUT, check out what you just said.. the irresponsible parties is the poor (majority democrats)... they are the ones tearing the system up..So why force these radical changes on everyone?

The irresponsible party is ALSO those rednecks that you see protesting Obama every day as well. They are NOT just mostly democrats as you mentioned.

But to answer your question..simple. The good have to suffer with the bad. And in this case, you can't do for one and NOT do for all. You have to do for everybody and plan accordingly.

And if we admit the poor are the irresponsible ones, what makes you think they will be responsible enough to pay for any health care?

They will have to especially if you garnage their wages, or better yet make it come out of their taxes every year. Just like social security and FICA comes out of our taxes, so should the cost of health care!

you and i both know our poor people they will not pay for nothing they can't account for...meaning... before the cable people got strict and was ready to prosecute the poor for stealing cable they NOW pay for it because they use it everyday... a lot of poor don't have house phones any more for emergency..
so i know they aint going to get health care insurance no matter who provides it... and mark my words, there will be an influx of folk that will jump on board in the beginning to say they are supporting Obama... But soon as they get notice of that next party, card game,bingo....and they see they short on ends...."Man fug that health insurance... then it will be a gang of poor people facing fines... and again the mighty middle class will have to bail them out...

I understand what you're saying, but all of this can be remedied by making it come out of the taxes we pay annually. And since most poor people get a refund every year, make it come out of their refund as well. Our goal should be to "fail-safe" the system to prevent from manipulation and cheating.

As it stands now, you and I BOTH are footing the bill when people decide to go to the emergency room when they KNOW they don't have healthcare. They aint right, but who can blame them! :shame: They are just taking advantage of the system that was created. All I want Obama to do is to make ALL SIDES (insurance, consumers, and health care industry) more accountable for their actions. :nod: I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[SUtrp96]

The irresponsible party is ALSO those rednecks that you see protesting Obama every day as well. They are NOT just mostly democrats as you mentioned.

But to answer your question..simple. The good have to suffer with the bad. And in this case, you can't do for one and NOT do for all. You have to do for everybody and plan accordingly.



They will have to especially if you garnage their wages, or better yet make it come out of their taxes every year. Just like social security and FICA comes out of our taxes, so should the cost of health care!



I understand what you're saying, but all of this can be remedied by making it come out of the taxes we pay annually. And since most poor people get a refund every year, make it come out of their refund as well. Our goal should be to "fail-safe" the system to prevent from manipulation and cheating.

As it stands now, you and I BOTH are footing the bill when people decide to go to the emergency room when they KNOW they don't have healthcare. They aint right, but who can blame them! :shame: They are just taking advantage of the system that was created. All I want Obama to do is to make ALL SIDES (insurance, consumers, and health care industry) more accountable for their actions. :nod: I don't see anything wrong with that.

my only problem most of what you are saying is I don't believe we need to be further taxed...

I honsetly think 35% of my money is to much going to the government...

If you tax tax and tax...people are less likely to enjoy the fruits of their labor....

but look where we are at know.. we went from Obama saying.. "i will not tax the people who make under $250 " to the reality of us all getting taxed out the arse...

I just have a different philosophy...

I feel you go to school like past presidents and our parents encouraged us to do, become responsible adults and you v=can live the american dream...

not:

go to school, become a middle class citizen and start footing the bill for those who didn't want to continue school and those who just simply want to live off of the system

 

[bluedog]

The irresponsible party is ALSO those rednecks that you see protesting Obama every day as well. They are NOT just mostly democrats as you mentioned.

But to answer your question..simple. The good have to suffer with the bad. And in this case, you can't do for one and NOT do for all. You have to do for everybody and plan accordingly.



They will have to especially if you garnage their wages, or better yet make it come out of their taxes every year. Just like social security and FICA comes out of our taxes, so should the cost of health care!



I understand what you're saying, but all of this can be remedied by making it come out of the taxes we pay annually. And since most poor people get a refund every year, make it come out of their refund as well. Our goal should be to "fail-safe" the system to prevent from manipulation and cheating.

As it stands now, you and I BOTH are footing the bill when people decide to go to the emergency room when they KNOW they don't have healthcare. They aint right, but who can blame them! :shame: They are just taking advantage of the system that was created. All I want Obama to do is to make ALL SIDES (insurance, consumers, and health care industry) more accountable for their actions. :nod: I don't see anything wrong with that.

Well whomever is making this argument you're talking with is taking a very bigoted and ignorant position. To say we know that the poor are irresponsible is the same as saying all blacks steal.

Now to that point I distinctly remember the President saying that for those that couldn't afford to get insurance that there would be some sort of indigent plan to help them but it seems like the debate you're having with the person that's making these accusation, this person is painting the poor with a board brush and fail to realize that there is a distinct difference between the poor and lower income, but then when people want to find things to whine about they usually don't care to see those types of things as long as it isn't them...as they see it.

 

[coldsweat]

my only problem most of what you are saying is I don't believe we need to be further taxed...

Point taken. And yes, this is where we disagree. To me it's not just a matter of paying more taxes. I think of it as helping those that are less fortunate that I am. There is nothing wrong in helping people get to where you are. And in actuality, I wouldn't feel good living the American Dream knowing that my fellow brethren out there can easily take it away from me given their circumstances. Believe it or not, by not paying more in taxes we are contributing to the one problem that creates division amongst us all......"economic stability!"

I honestly think 35% of my money is to much going to the government...

If you tax tax and tax...people are less likely to enjoy the fruits of their labor....

How so? If you save and save, than you can EASILY enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you spend wisely, you can easily enjoy the fruits of your labor. This sounds like a republican talking point. If crime, education, emergency assistance, etc is at an all time low you STILL can't enjoy the fruits of your labor.

I feel you go to school like past presidents and our parents encouraged us to do, become responsible adults and you v=can live the american dream...

not:

go to school, become a middle class citizen and start footing the bill for those who didn't want to continue school and those who just simply want to live off of the system

As much as what you stated above sounds liberating, the fact of the matter is that you and I BOTH know there are several circumstances of making that "circle of stability" a reality.

And What is the American Dream? You keep talking about it like it's just purely based on money or something! :noidea: Tell me what your philosophy is about the American Dream.

 

[coldsweat]

Well whomever is making this argument you're talking with is taking a very bigoted and ignorant position. To say we know that the poor are irresponsible is the same as saying all blacks steal.

:tup: I agree wholeheartedly! :nod:

Now to that point I distinctly remember the President saying that for those that couldn't afford to get insurance that there would be some sort of indigent plan to help them but it seems like the debate you're having with the person that's making these accusation, this person is painting the poor with a board brush and fail to realize that there is a distinct difference between the poor and lower income, but then when people want to find things to whine about they usually don't care to see those types of things as long as it isn't them...as they see it.

Exactly! I still find it difficult to understand how people in our society refuse to acknowledge that health care is must for us all, and that just because you have money doesn't mean that your health should be more important than mine! We call ourselves a moral nation, but we are just as selfish as the Devil himself--generally speaking that is! :shame:

 

[bluedog]

:tup: I agree wholeheartedly! :nod:



Exactly! I still find it difficult to understand how people in our society refuse to acknowledge that health care is must for us all, and that just because you have money doesn't mean that your health should be more important than mine! We call ourselves a moral nation, but we are just as selfish as the Devil himself--generally speaking that is! :shame:

Know the real insane thing about those types of people? They confuse being able to make money (a good living) with having money

 

[SUtrp96]

SMH
This is what a I call a MESSY arse negga... Nothing worse than one of those...Them kind don't last long where I'm from but oh well...
Then he wrong.. MESSY and wrong

Well whomever is making this argument you're talking with is taking a very bigoted and ignorant position. To say we know that the poor are irresponsible is the same as saying all blacks steal.

Know the real insane thing about those types of people? They confuse being able to make money (a good living) with having money

umm BD.. If you ever take he time to read everything and stop your BS you would have saw this was posted FIRST from the same person you call your self siding with...smh

Originally Posted by coldsweat
Okay..I should have said the middle class tends to be more responsible mainly because we have been footing the bill in America for the past 40 years or so! But in all honesty, you can't expect the lower income poverty level class to be responsible.

smh...

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

but look where we are at know.. we went from Obama saying.. "i will not tax the people who make under $250 " to the reality of us all getting taxed out the arse...

............they call that lying to the American people and Wilson called his azz out!

 

[XHALE9802]

I got this in an email from our National Urban League Young Professional's President. I wanted to share, good info.
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What is all he noise about health care reform? Why does it matter? Why are young professionals, 21-40, who made their voices heard during the election, so silent on this issue?

I think the real question that needs to be asked is "what is trying to be achieved with Health Care reform and what about this reform is important or not important to our demographic".

My purpose is not to take a side, particularly of partisan nature, but to educate and instigate MEANINGFUL conversation, debate and direction as to what our voice should and should not be regarding something that has captivated a great amount of attention in our country as of late.

So, before we begin to debate, lets EDUCATE. I searched near and far for some literature on the Health Care debate. I looked for material that was unbiased on the issue, but presented a summary of all the proposals, side by side and what each aspect of the proposal contains.

The National Urban League supports health care reform because it expands access, promotes competition and increases affordability for all (http://www.nul.org/CBC_Healthcare_Reform.pdf)

However, the question of the day, which has sparked this debate, is how to achieve these reform goals.

I am attaching a comparison document from the Kaiser Family Foundation (http://healthreform.kff.org/)

http://www.kff.org/healthreform/uploa/healthreform_sbs_full.pdf

This is A source, but not the only source. We all must educate ourselves on this issue before we debate because we need to know how it's going to impact us and those coming behind us for generations to come.

I welcome your comments, suggestions and information on EDUCATING one another about Health Care Reform in the US.

Young Professionals-it's time to Get Educated on the Issue and GET EMPOWERED!!!!

Barton J. Taylor
President,
National Urban League Young Professionals