Conference realignment isn't over - PAC12 coming back
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In_The_662
Deeeeep In The Delta.....
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Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
You would think the Mountain West will send an invite to ND State
They don't want to move up
Basebone1898
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Agreed. They won’t want to lose their rivalry with North Dakota and give up being a National Championship Program. They enjoy being a FCS powerhouse with wins over FBS programs.
Basebone1898
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I agree. Especially with San Jose State having the
Battle For The Valley Rivalry with Fresno State and the El Camino Rivalry with San Diego State. Both rivalry games are competitive with respectable series results, and both would be enhanced greatly as PAC-12 conference rivalry games now that the Battle of LA (USC-UCLA), Big Game (Stanford-Cal) Rivalries has stepped away from the conference. The PAC-12 must have California Rivalries to stay relevant.
#2 on the look out list would most likely be Air Force. Their longest rivalry is for the Ram-Falcon Trophy with new PAC-12 member Colorado State, and they would bring the Commander & Chief Rivalry with Army & Navy to the PAC-12’s backyard. The PAC-12 would easily enhance Air Force’s national appearance and be a seller.
#3 would properly be Hawaii as they have a rivalry with Fresno State and at least have a marketable name.
#4 could possibly be New Mexico State who would leave C-USA easily. This move could help the PAC land New Mexico later on as both schools would help save PAC-12 Basketball seats in the Big Dance.
Speaking of PAC-12 Basketball, #5 & #6 could possibly be Gonzaga and Saint Marys. They are basketball schools that would keep the PAC-12 relevant on the court no matter what.
The new PAC-12 would definitely be a West Coast Version of the Big East! It would be a basketball conference.
Washington State
Oregon State
Fresno State
Boise State
San Diego State
Colorado State
San Jose State
Air Force
Hawaii
New Mexico State
Gonzaga
Saint Marys
Basebone1898
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Yup. They know that if NDSU moved to the MWC, schedule well and go 12-0, they could easily miss the College Football Playoffs and get stuck in the 2025 Rachel’s Place Bowl vs 8-9 win Big 12 team.
Unlikely. If they went undefeated they'd likely get a playoff spot. They'd also make far more money for doing so. The MVFC teams haven't moved up because they just don't have a G5 conference close to them. You think teams like App State, Ga Southern, JMU, SHSU, etc were worried about the FCS playoffs? The Dakota schools are just in a bad location.
ECSU_NCCU_Christopher
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I am not too sure that the PAC-12 has enough money to pay, up to four schools, more penalty feesl, which is 10 million for each school they take from the MWC.
I don't think Hawaii is high on the priority list because they would be a football only member and it raise the travel cost for the schools in the conference. The MWC gives Hawaii money to help them with their travel costs and the NCAA gives them a extra game (they play a 13 game schedule).
I think UNLV is a no brainier, but the question is does UNLV have the money to pay the exit fee, which I believe is 17 million, and is University of Nevada join at their hip. Based on based moves the PAC-12 wants their headquarters to be in Vegas. I see them going after at least 2 Texas schools.
I don't think Hawaii is high on the priority list because they would be a football only member and it raise the travel cost for the schools in the conference. The MWC gives Hawaii money to help them with their travel costs and the NCAA gives them a extra game (they play a 13 game schedule).
I think UNLV is a no brainier, but the question is does UNLV have the money to pay the exit fee, which I believe is 17 million, and is University of Nevada join at their hip. Based on based moves the PAC-12 wants their headquarters to be in Vegas. I see them going after at least 2 Texas schools.
ECSU_NCCU_Christopher
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250 Million does not go along with when you have expenses and if they do end up covering the exit fees for the schools leaving the MWC they will be out funds quickly.
Off the top they need money to run the conference and pay employees.
They need to set money aside in order to pay the House Settlement if that goes through (there are other lawsuits coming down the pipe line).
They had to pay the MWC and WCC for the schedule alliance they are in for this season. I believe they paid MWC 14 million for this season.
They are using money to keep OSU and WSU close to the conference payouts levels they was getting from the last season.
Each team they take from the MWC they are paying 10 million per school, so that is 40 million right there.
If they are paying the exit fee for each MWC school, then you are looking 17 million per school, so that is 68 million (for the 4 schools taken thus far).
If they grab more schools from the MWC, while they are still a conference, then they pay 10 million for each additional school along with the 17 million exist per school (if they are paying the exit fee)
The reason I don't think they are paying the exit fee for schools is the UNLV situation. It has been reported that UNLV does have interest in the PAC-12, but the exit fee might be too much for them to pay out. Also, UNLV might be joined at the hip with the University of Nevada.
Their current media deals are not great, so I doubt they would want to spend a good size of the money while certain things are still things unclear.
I will give the PAC-12 leadership credit in doing the following:
Having the leaving schools from the PAC-12 pay their share for the over payment settlement to Comcast.
Paying for the cost of returning the PAC-12 old lease headquarters back to it's original state, as part of the agreement with the building.
It is going to be interesting to see what type of media deals the new PAC-12 will be able to get with the addition of the new schools. Either way I think one way or another the PAC-12 will add 2 to 4 teams before the NCAA deadline.
Off the top they need money to run the conference and pay employees.
They need to set money aside in order to pay the House Settlement if that goes through (there are other lawsuits coming down the pipe line).
They had to pay the MWC and WCC for the schedule alliance they are in for this season. I believe they paid MWC 14 million for this season.
They are using money to keep OSU and WSU close to the conference payouts levels they was getting from the last season.
Each team they take from the MWC they are paying 10 million per school, so that is 40 million right there.
If they are paying the exit fee for each MWC school, then you are looking 17 million per school, so that is 68 million (for the 4 schools taken thus far).
If they grab more schools from the MWC, while they are still a conference, then they pay 10 million for each additional school along with the 17 million exist per school (if they are paying the exit fee)
The reason I don't think they are paying the exit fee for schools is the UNLV situation. It has been reported that UNLV does have interest in the PAC-12, but the exit fee might be too much for them to pay out. Also, UNLV might be joined at the hip with the University of Nevada.
Their current media deals are not great, so I doubt they would want to spend a good size of the money while certain things are still things unclear.
I will give the PAC-12 leadership credit in doing the following:
Having the leaving schools from the PAC-12 pay their share for the over payment settlement to Comcast.
Paying for the cost of returning the PAC-12 old lease headquarters back to it's original state, as part of the agreement with the building.
It is going to be interesting to see what type of media deals the new PAC-12 will be able to get with the addition of the new schools. Either way I think one way or another the PAC-12 will add 2 to 4 teams before the NCAA deadline.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
They should invite Jackson State.
Journalist
Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
I guess another scenario would be the Pac-12 also getting UNLV and Nevada-Reno, along with New Mexico State and UTEP, to get to 12 football-playing teams. I doubt New Mexico State would get an invite before New Mexico itself, but what do I know LOL
Washington State
Oregon State
Fresno State
Boise State
San Diego State
Colorado State
San Jose State
Air Force
UNLV
Nevada-Reno
New Mexico State
UTEP
Basebone1898
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I don’t agree, but I definitely hear ya. I truly believe NDSU loves being a FCS powerhouse. They have had chances to leave before.
ECSU_NCCU_Christopher
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Is it just going to be for football like Army and they will join the WCC for all other sports. as that seem the most logical?
Basebone1898
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Damn.
ECSU_NCCU_Christopher
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I guess it all depends on what the MWC is offering, as their current conference payout is not enough for the Dakota schools to move up. The MWC could use part of the exit and penalty fee money, that they are getting, to help offset the costs for schools to move up.
From a sport stand point I wonder do NDSU like being a big fish in small pond or being small fish in a big pond.
Basebone1898
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I don’t think UTEP wants to go to the PAC. I think they want to wait for a Big 12 invitation.
I would have agreed with you about New Mexico, but demographically, NMSU is a better location for the teams joining the PAC.
All sports, remember there are no fiscal restraints at a military academy like at other universities.
I mean, at this point, who is even going to be left for them to play in fcs aside from the MVFC and Big Sky teams? App State, Ga Southern, JMU, Kennesaw State, Georgia State, Jacksonville State, ODU, Delaware... all FBS now. And there will likely be more FCS call ups. Even with the MWC getting raided, it's still more money than they'd make in the MVFC... no question. On top of that, if they were FBS, they could win the MWC and have a chance at the FBS playoffs...which is FAR more lucrative than the FCS playoffs with both finances AND exposure. The logic of them not wanting to consider FBS makes no sense. If NDSU were in the south, they'd be FBS already.