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Pop, if you don't mind me asking, save America from what?
Can we save America?
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Pop, if you don't mind me asking, save America from what?
JayRob
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RB, you didn't come anywhere close to answering Jagnation's question. The principles you mentioned predates the Bible by hundreds, if not thousands of years, and were already being followed by African, Egyptian, Middle Eastern and Asian cultures.
You're being disingenuous or just plain naive by attempting to attribute moral principles to a book that came on the scene 2500 years after civilization had long began. That's like me saying that I invented the automobile when in reality it was invented long before I was born.
Besides, a large portion of the U.S. Constitution is derived from Roman and Egyptian cultures. In addition, the people fleeing Europe were trying to establish a place for religious freedoms or freedom from religion if they so chose.
Christianity was simply used to as a convenient tool to capture, steal, rape, enslave native Americans, Chinese, Africans and others by Europeans.
You should already know this.
ROYAL BLUE
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.......it may not be to you and Jag, but that's the answer I chose to give; and IMO it will suffice.
What part of the following don't you understand?
United States Supreme Court Rules America is a Christian Nation 1892
Our Laws Rest on Christian Principles
One of the clearest acknowledgements of our country’s Christian heritage by the U.S. Supreme Court came in the case of the United States v. Church of the Holy Trinity (1892), which was cited earlier in this chapter. The Court offered its unanimous conclusion after an exhaustive study of our nation’s historical records:
No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this
continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation…. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. We are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity.165
Earlier, in the case of Vidal v. Girard’s Executors (1844) the U.S. Supreme Court had unanimously upheld the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s Updegraph decision, stating that “the laws and institutions of this state are built on the foundation of reverence for Christianity.”166 In this same decision the High Court labeled America “a Christian country,” stating that “Christianity … is not to be maliciously and openly reviled and blasphemed against, to the annoyance of believers or the injury of the public.”167 The Supreme Court has not only acknowledged our Christian heritage, it has used principles of biblical law in drawing its conclusions. For example, in the late 1800s, when polygamy was spreading through the Western states, the U.S. Supreme Court argued, “Bigamy and polygamy are crimes by the laws of all civilized and Christian countries” (Davis v. Beason, 1889).168 http://www.coralridge.org/equip/10T...out Americas Christian Heritage/truth-10.aspx
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JayRob
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RB, you can't have it both ways. So, you're saying the laws of the US were based on Christianity? If this is correct then, there were laws sanctioning slavery, there were laws sanctioning women being beaten by men, there were laws claiming Black people were three-fifths human, there were laws saying that Black people could be killed by White people with no penalties against the perpetrators, there were laws saying White men could rape Black women with no recourse, but Black men couldn't marry White women or even touch them. I could go on and on but I'll stop there.
So if our laws were built on Christian principles, then the Bible has to be one of the most unjust books of all time. This is what you're claiming when you make generalized statements about laws in this country being based on Christianity. You might want to rethink that claim.
ROYAL BLUE
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JayRob, clearly I understand your hatred for Christianity, and I'm not saying this to divert, but you seriously have a strong hatred for Christ. I see it in your posts.:shame:
All Christians know that God's people have a tendency to screw up at times, and do things not approved by God, but that doesn't mean God won't correct His children out of love. Was not king David a government official? Did he not murder and force himself on another man's wife? Did not God punish him for his wrong doing? Yes, America has done some awful things, but she has done no worse than what other nations have done before her. She is the most fair nation on God's green earth. Is there any place better than her? Is there any place more desirable than her? Truly, God has shed His grace on thee.
Lastly, I boldly stand by the Supreme Courts ruling that America is a Christian nation. Again, what part of the following don't you understand?
United States Supreme Court Rules America is a Christian Nation 1892
Our Laws Rest on Christian Principles
One of the clearest acknowledgements of our country’s Christian heritage by the U.S. Supreme Court came in the case of the United States v. Church of the Holy Trinity (1892), which was cited earlier in this chapter. The Court offered its unanimous conclusion after an exhaustive study of our nation’s historical records:
No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this
continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation…. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. We are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity.165
Earlier, in the case of Vidal v. Girard’s Executors (1844) the U.S. Supreme Court had unanimously upheld the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s Updegraph decision, stating that “the laws and institutions of this state are built on the foundation of reverence for Christianity.”166 In this same decision the High Court labeled America “a Christian country,” stating that “Christianity … is not to be maliciously and openly reviled and blasphemed against, to the annoyance of believers or the injury of the public.”167 The Supreme Court has not only acknowledged our Christian heritage, it has used principles of biblical law in drawing its conclusions. For example, in the late 1800s, when polygamy was spreading through the Western states, the U.S. Supreme Court argued, “Bigamy and polygamy are crimes by the laws of all civilized and Christian countries” (Davis v. Beason, 1889).168 http://www.coralridge.org/equip/10T...out Americas Christian Heritage/truth-10.aspx
JSU*Toi
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jsupop33
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The destruction of ourselves. The system is broken and may be unfixable. Will America be a superpower in a century? Will we still have a democracy?
ROYAL BLUE
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She wasn't set up to be a democracy, and that's why she's failing. America was set up to be a "Republic". Our pledge of allegiance is to the "republic", for which it stands, one nation under "God". She has abandoned her roots that made her strong.
Dr H..
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RB
Answer JR questions!
Biblical Roots of the U.S. Constitution
Three branches of government:
Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king.
Why do you continue to strebloo “wrest†[ to torture, to torment, distort, to twist] the scriptures. You continue taking words out of their original setting, giving the words a modern meaning instead of seeking to know how they were used in their original setting. No lie, something is seriously wrong with you.
Do you think God is pleased with the way you twist His word?
I have listened to and witnessed some bad exegesis and doggone, you are at the front of the line. What bible are you studying from?
I know that’s crazy because never, ever put into place “three branches of government†His form of government is a Theocracy.
Answer JR questions!
Biblical Roots of the U.S. Constitution
Three branches of government:
Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king.
Why do you continue to strebloo “wrest†[ to torture, to torment, distort, to twist] the scriptures. You continue taking words out of their original setting, giving the words a modern meaning instead of seeking to know how they were used in their original setting. No lie, something is seriously wrong with you.
Do you think God is pleased with the way you twist His word?
I have listened to and witnessed some bad exegesis and doggone, you are at the front of the line. What bible are you studying from?
I know that’s crazy because never, ever put into place “three branches of government†His form of government is a Theocracy.
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JayRob
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Dude, whether I praise Christianity, criticicize it, love it or hate it, that's my personal business.
It's ashamed that you'd resort to such underhandedness to divert from your posted mistakes and misinterpretations of both our Constitution and Bible verses. I'm not at all surprised though.
Whether the Supreme Court sanctioned Christianity or not makes no difference because it doesn't MAKE laws. Congress MAKES.....I repeat, Congress MAKES the laws. What law, passed by Congress, specifically states that the U.S. is solely a Christian nation? None. Now there you have it.
I do agree with you though that people like you have a tendency to screw up.
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ROYAL BLUE
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I answered the question and posted my source. I can't help if you and others have a problem with the answer I gave. I boldly stand on what I post, and I need no approval of my answers; so you will either accept the answer "I" choose to give, or you will accept the answer "I" give.....nuff said.
Is America not "one" nation "under" God? Is that not our pledge? What part of that don't you understand? The only way to save this country is to return to our roots, and acknowledge that God is our protection, provider, and our power. God placed America above the world, and yet we have folks like you who do everything you can to discredit God, and the blessings full of grace and mercy He shed on this great Christian nation.:shame:
ROYAL BLUE
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You can say what you will about me because I'm a nobody, but when you make bogus statements about my Lord and Savior, then it becomes my business. If it's personal, then keep it to yourself if you don't want me to speak on the ignorant statements you make about Christianity. Again, I don't care what you say about me because I'm a sinner, but I will not stand idle and allow you to steal the glory of YHVH, Christ, and His message.
JayRob
TigaPaw
Dude, just giving an answer to a question is nowhere near all there is to it. The simple fact of the matter is that you can spout off as many Supreme Court cases as you please, but the fact of the matter still remains that there are NO LAWS mandating Christianity as the official religion of the United State of America.
I gave you the opportunity to disprove that statement and you failed miserably.
If the roots of this country, which you claim is Christianity, then how do you explain this religion's sanctioning of slavery and keeping women in a subservient role? If this is what you want to go back to, then that's your prerogative. Thank goodness our elected officials don't share that same opinion.
Lastly, Europeans fled Europe so that they could freely choose to worship whatever religion or non-religion they chose. Now you're trying to take that right away from each American by mandating that we follow ONE religion? Again I say, thank goodness our elected officials don't think like you.
bigmanofds
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You know this thread has gone into another direction and I forgot my original point. You ask will the U.S. still have a democracy. After how this thread is going I say no. Extremism is going to kill us all. You ask about the next century, well I think in about fifty years we will all be fighting each other in the street.
bigmanofds
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ROYAL BLUE
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The Supreme Court "ruled" this nation as a Christian nation. It's evident if you choose to look at the blessings of this very young nation compared to other nations who don't have a majority population that claim to be servants of Christ. The proof is in the hatred other nations have for this country. They hate us and who we serve.
SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
RB it is not wise to call all material things "blessing"....
Because if you are, SLAVE masters have BEEN receiving "blessings"
JaguarNation99
That's Dr. JN99 to you...
He clearly can't, since he doesn't seem to understand the difference between a court ruling and a Justice opinion, and within the opinion, the difference between the holding (the part of the opinion that relates to the ruling) and the obiter dictum (the non-binding parts which amount to little more than the personal opinions of that particular Justice).
LegionofDoom
I see dead people
RB
I can slightly understand your thinking that when you say the Supreme Court "ruled" you mean a lot of the principles that guide decision making of our elected officials are from the practice of Christianity. I’m a bit naive in wanting to believe that all leaders should receive their guidance from the principles practiced within their faith. I’m also a realist and recognize that that’s not the case, because as men, we stumble in our walk and as leaders, those faults are magnified by the impacts that they have on the following masses.
Furthermore, I strongly disagree with you that this is a Christian nation, because IF IT WERE LAW, then many of those that practice Judaism, Islam, Atheism, etc., would find themselves under prosecution of the law and have to suffer whatever consequence that is conceived by Christian penalty by law. While Christianity may be largest practiced religion in the world and obviously the U.S., it is still not the law. God does not make man worship him by law. He gives you the freedom of choice to choose to love him, praise him, believe in his son Jesus and practice his teachings. Likewise, we as American citizens have the freedom to choose whichever religion we want without fear of persecution or prosecution.
ROYAL BLUE
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I'm simply looking at the facts. The facts are that a majority of the US population publicly claim the Christian faith. The facts are a very young US rules the world with a small population of 350 million compared to nations that have been established for thousands of years. How does that happen "without" the blessings of God? Do we bless ourselves? Some people have a very hard time looking at the facts, and acknowledging our pledge that America is one nation "under" God. They have a hard time acknowledging that politicians are sworn into office on the "Christian" bible, and no other religious book. Why do we do these things if we are not a Christian nation? Why is it that Christianity is all over the US Capitol, Supreme Court, and other government buildings if we are not a Christian nation? Did these things happen by chance? No! The majority of our population publicly claim to serve Christ, and it's evident if people would compare what our nation has to what other nations have around the world. Hell, just look at Mexico across the border. You can clearly see where the blessings stop. My point is I know what I see and live everyday, and its a blessing to live in the most blessed nation known to earth.
ROYAL BLUE
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I did not call slavery a blessing. Is not your job a blessing? Is not the money in your bank account a blessing? Is not the protection from our troops a blessing? Is not your degree a blessing? Look at where you are in life and tell me you don't live in the most blessed nation on earth. Look how far our people have come and tell me you don't live in a blessed land. Look around and observe those who do not have a formal education, but work hard, hustle, serve Christ, and are prosperous.
Material things from ill-gotten gains are not blessings and the bible clearly states this.
ROYAL BLUE
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....and you feel if the word Christian is used, the person is lying.
ROYAL BLUE
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I explained this to you before. If the majority of the population claim to be of the Christian faith, then this is a Christian nation. It's no different than black folks calling Jackson State a black college. It doesn't mean every student is black. Does it not?
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