Can we save America?

[Dr H..]

RB

If this nation is not a Christian nation, then why did The House Administration Committee do the following......House Committee Approves Engraving 'In God We Trust' in Capitol Visitor Center

That’s one of the dumbest statements you have ever posted. That’s like back in the day, when a majority of blacks had a picture of Jesus in their homes. I have a St. Louis Rams Sweat Shirt that does not mean that I played for the Rams.

This comment is one of the reason I made the comment on how you feel that anyone that uses the word God has to be a Christian.

Do you know or feel that those on the House Committee are Christian?

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

RB



That’s one of the dumbest statements you have ever posted. That’s like back in the day, when a majority of blacks had a picture of Jesus in their homes. I have a St. Louis Rams Sweat Shirt that does not mean that I played for the Rams.

This comment is one of the reason I made the comment on how you feel that anyone that uses the word God has to be a Christian.

Do you know or feel that those on the House Committee are Christian?

We all know God had a nation called Israel, and we all know that every Israelite was not a God fearing citizen. What's your point?

Stop with the BS, and answer the following question. If this nation is not a Christian nation, then why did The House Administration Committee Approve Engraving 'In God We Trust' in Capitol Visitor Center, and why did they make it our "National Motto"? Are you too dumb to answer?

 

[SUtrp96]

We all know God had a nation called Israel, and we all know that every Israelite was not a God fearing citizen. What's your point?

Stop with the BS, and answer the following question. If this nation is not a Christian nation, then why did The House Administration Committee Approve Engraving 'In God We Trust' in Capitol Visitor Center, and why did they make it our "National Motto"? Are you too dumb to answer?

RB go see "Book of ELI"....

They know the best way to control a nation of people is with the bible.. no matter what religion you are for the most part....


That's how they gained our trust..... But you see slowly but surely and now at a fast past.. you can get sued for praying in the wrong place.... TV is satanic as ever before...
The media which is controlled by the government make people like Kurt Warner look like a bit of a loon for believing in God and speaking out of his belief in God..... You don't see that?

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

RB go see "Book of ELI"....

They know the best way to control a nation of people is with the bible.. no matter what religion you are for the most part....


That's how they gained our trust..... But you see slowly but surely and now at a fast past.. you can get sued for praying in the wrong place.... TV is satanic as ever before...
The media which is controlled by the government make people like Kurt Warner look like a bit of a loon for believing in God and speaking out of his belief in God..... You don't see that?

It's because of God that men turn from their wicked ways........not man. The verse below lets you know that God has a nation of people, and sometimes they turn away from His guidance; but that doesn't mean His people should not acknowledge him as their leader. America is $14 trillion in debt, who do you think has been taking care of us while our leaders continue to disobey the laws of the land? Again, I know where my blessings flow, and when I do wrong, you best believe I will call on Him to pull me through.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If My people, who are called by My name(Christians), shall humble themselves, pray, seek, crave, and require of necessity My face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land(COUNTRY).

 

[bigmanofds]

It's because of God that men turn from their wicked ways........not man. The verse below lets you know that God has a nation of people, and sometimes they turn away from His guidance; but that doesn't mean His people should not acknowledge him as their leader. America is $14 trillion in debt, who do you think has been taking care of us while our leaders continue to disobey the laws of the land? Again, I know where my blessings flow, and when I do wrong, you best believe I will call on Him to pull me through.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If My people, who are called by My name(Christians), shall humble themselves, pray, seek, crave, and require of necessity My face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land(COUNTRY).

Blue let me ask you something. I don’t want to have a religious confrontation because I feel religion is base on individual faith. But let me ask you this just out of curiosity. You inserted the words Christians and Country in that scripture as if that what it means to you. Suppose I read the same scripture but it meant something else to me. In fact, I felt it was the total opposite of what you think it means. Who would be right?

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Blue let me ask you something. I don’t want to have a religious confrontation because I feel religion is base on individual faith. But let me ask you this just out of curiosity. You inserted the words Christians and Country in that scripture as if that what it means to you. Suppose I read the same scripture but it meant something else to me. In fact, I felt it was the total opposite of what you think it means. Who would be right?

It depends on how one uses common sense.

What does "My People called by My Name" mean to you? What does land in that verse mean to you?

 

[JaguarNation99]

Royal Blue,

1. What year was this country founded?
2. What year did "In God We Trust" become the National Motto?
3. Why was it adopted as the national motto?

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Royal Blue,

1. What year was this country founded?
2. What year did "In God We Trust" become the National Motto?
3. Why was it adopted as the national motto?

The greatest country known to man was founded in 1776, but was spoken of by God in the "Old Testament", in Deuteronomy 28. In fact, the very first verse states, "And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:"

What nation sits high above "all" nations of the earth? What nation has given more money to foreign nations all over the world? What nation has has given more food to the hungry all over the world? What nation produces so much food, they have to give it away in food stamps, and enemy nations around the world. What nation has set up more military bases on foreign soil than any nation on earth? What nation has 375,000 military personnel that control the world? What nation told the UN we don't need your permission to invade Iraq? What nation gives more money to the United Nations than any other nation on earth? What nation has more athletic millionaires than any nation on earth? What nation took several sports and turned them into a billion dollar market? What nation brings ambassadors from all over the world to discuss the world's business? The nation I speak of has done some bad things, but her good has always outweighed her bad.

"In God we trust" became a "National Motto" since the founding of this great nation. Only God can take a young nation like America, and make her the "only" super power in the world.

The "National Motto" was adopted because America knows where the blessings come from. We are great because the majority of our people strive to do what's right by God.....not ourselves.

 

[bigmanofds]

It depends on how one uses common sense.

What does "My People called by My Name" mean to you? What does land in that verse mean to you?

I don’t like the term common sense. The fact that we are individuals with different matriculations through life, what is common to you may not be common to me and vice versa. So I ask again, who would be right? But just suppose I did not know what it meant at all. You are telling me this is the way it is because this is what you perceive it to be. Then tell me not to follow man. Aren’t you just a man? I am not trying to put you on the spot or as someone else calls it “calling you out.â€￾ I’m just trying to get an understanding. This issue is not just you…trust me

 

[JaguarNation99]

The greatest country known to man was founded in 1776, but was spoken of by God in the "Old Testament", in Deuteronomy 28. In fact, the very first verse states, "And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:"

What nation sits high above "all" nations of the earth? What nation has given more money to foreign nations all over the world? What nation has has given more food to the hungry all over the world? What nation produces so much food, they have to give it away in food stamps, and enemy nations around the world. What nation has set up more military bases on foreign soil than any nation on earth? What nation has 375,000 military personnel that control the world? What nation told the UN we don't need your permission to invade Iraq? What nation gives more money to the United Nations than any other nation on earth? What nation has more athletic millionaires than any nation on earth? What nation took several sports and turned them into a billion dollar market? What nation brings ambassadors from all over the world to discuss the world's business? The nation I speak of has done some bad things, but her good has always outweighed her bad.

"In God we trust" became a "National Motto" since the founding of this great nation. Only God can take a young nation like America, and make her the "only" super power in the world.

The "National Motto" was adopted because America knows where the blessings come from. We are great because the majority of our people strive to do what's right by God.....not ourselves.

Wrong, but thanks for playing. In God We Trust became the National Motto in 1956, 2 years after the words "under God" were added to the Pledge of Allegiance. If anything, before that point, E Pluribus Unum was the de facto national motto. It became the national motto to distinguish us from those "heathen" Russians during the Cold War. Again, thanks for playing.

 

[Dr H..]

Wrong, but thanks for playing. :lol:

RB

Is crazy and does not understand, the bible; God or himself

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Wrong, but thanks for playing. In God We Trust became the National Motto in 1956, 2 years after the words "under God" were added to the Pledge of Allegiance. If anything, before that point, E Pluribus Unum was the de facto national motto. It became the national motto to distinguish us from those "heathen" Russians during the Cold War. Again, thanks for playing.

I answered all of your questions, but I see you have a very difficult time answering mine. Thanks in advance!

Show me that in the US Constitution or Declaration of Independence. Now, I do see God's name mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. Where is "E Pluribus Unum was the de facto national motto" mentioned?

 

[bigmanofds]

I answered all of your questions, but I see you have a very difficult time answering mine. Thanks in advance!

Show me that in the US Constitution or Declaration of Independence. Now, I do see God's name mentioned in the Constitution. Where is "E Pluribus Unum was the de facto national motto" mentioned?

Blue, it is not my intentions on making you look bad. I really was asking a question for better understanding. I was raised in a supportive loving household which I use it for a model for my own. I don’t get gratification in putting people down because I never have a need for that. I get more pleasure in lifting up than tearing down, because I feel good from within. The point I was trying to get around to is I think the founding fathers of this country wanted separation of church and state. In the Constitution it states “in Order to form a more perfect Union.â€￾ There are so many flavors of Christianity I believe that we would have total anarchy if this country was a theocracy. We would have everybody believing that God is on their side. Just like the founding fathers did not deal with slavery which eventually caused a civil war, I believe religion could cause one also. But I am not saying I am right I was looking for input from you. Maybe I am not seeing the whole picture. There is only supposed to be one person who is all knowing.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

I don’t like the term common sense. The fact that we are individuals with different matriculations through life, what is common to you may not be common to me and vice versa. So I ask again, who would be right? But just suppose I did not know what it meant at all. You are telling me this is the way it is because this is what you perceive it to be. Then tell me not to follow man. Aren’t you just a man? I am not trying to put you on the spot or as someone else calls it “calling you out.” I’m just trying to get an understanding. This issue is not just you…trust me

There is only one name that followers of God go by, and that name is Christian. God's people, called by His name, go by the name of Christian. Am I wrong based on the word?

The word of God is right. I would tell a person who didn't know at all to ask God for guidance and use common sense to comprehend. What else would a man go by to get understanding?

I apologize for not responding to you, and no, I didn't take it as you trying to make me look bad. I posted common sense because all one would have to do is break a sentence down the properly. For example, you think I inserted those words off the top of my head, and I didn't do that. The words I inserted are in the Strong's Concordance. I used common sense to comprehend the sentence. I'll post them below.....

2 Chronicles 7:14 If My people, who are called by My name(Christians), shall humble themselves, pray, seek, crave, and require of necessity My face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land(COUNTRY).


Strong's Concordance(People)

H5971 - `am

1) nation, people

a) people, nation

b) persons, members of one's people, compatriots, country-men

2) kinsman, kindred http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5971&t=KJV




Strong's Concordance(Land)

H776 - 'erets

1) land, earth

a) earth

1) whole earth (as opposed to a part)

2) earth (as opposed to heaven)

3) earth (inhabitants)

b) land

1) country, territory

2) district, region

3) tribal territory

4) piece of ground

5) land of Canaan, Israel

6) inhabitants of land

7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world

8) city (-state)

c) ground, surface of the earth

1) ground

2) soil

d) (in phrases)

1) people of the land

2) space or distance of country (in measurements of distance)

3) level or plain country

4) land of the living

5) end(s) of the earth

e) (almost wholly late in usage)

1) lands, countries

a) often in contrast to Canaan http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H776&t=KJV

 

[JaguarNation99]

I answered all of your questions, but I see you have a very difficult time answering mine. Thanks in advance!

Show me that in the US Constitution or Declaration of Independence. Now, I do see God's name mentioned in the Constitution. Where is "E Pluribus Unum was the de facto national motto" mentioned?

LOL you answered them, just not correctly. But if you knew what de facto meant, you wouldn't have asked that question. The US had no official motto until 1956, but E Pluribus Unum was all but considered the national motto. It's on the US Seal, and has been on money since 1747.

It does appear that you enjoy being wrong, but there is no mention of God anywhere in the US Constitution. But since you claim God's name is in the Constitution, here is the full document. Please show me where it mentions God. Take your time, I'll wait.

 

[PVSAX99]

LOL @ the "exposing" that I'm wittnessing in this thread...

But to answer the question at hand:

As a man of Christian faith, until we learn to re-embrace God, and put Him above all other things in our lives as Christians...this nation will continue to fall.

"The Love of Money is the Root of ALL Evil"

That saying is soooooo very true. I realize that more and more everyday. Politicians, educators, and community leaders, who we depend on allow their love of money to govern the decision they make. Everybody's greed is causing this nation to fall at the foundation.

This recession is the worst and best thing to happen to this country. We get to see how we REALLY are as a money loving nation.

Personally, I believe that the Good Lord will bring us through whatever He brings us to.

That's the Christian opinion in me.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

LOL you answered them, just not correctly. But if you knew what de facto meant, you wouldn't have asked that question. The US had no official motto until 1956, but E Pluribus Unum was all but considered the national motto. It's on the US Seal, and has been on money since 1747.

It does appear that you enjoy being wrong, but there is no mention of God anywhere in the US Constitution. But since you claim God's name is in the Constitution, here is the full document. Please show me where it mentions God. Take your time, I'll wait.

I meant the "Declaration of Independence".......my bad. I'll post it for you to see. I hope you pay close attention to the very last sentence in the declaration because it boldly states that America relies on God's protection and governance of America. Does it not?

Question: "What is divine providence?"

Answer: Divine providence is the means by and through which God governs all things in the universe. The doctrine of divine providence asserts that God is in complete control of all things. This includes the universe as a whole (Psalm 103:19), the physical world (Matthew 5:45), the affairs of nations (Psalm 66:7), human birth and destiny (Galatians 1:15), human successes and failures (Luke 1:52), and the protection of His people (Psalm 4:8). This doctrine stands in direct opposition to the idea that the universe is governed by chance or fate.

The purpose, or goal, of divine providence is to accomplish the will of God. To ensure that His purposes are fulfilled, God governs the affairs of men and works through the natural order of things. The laws of nature are nothing more than a depiction of God at work in the universe. The laws of nature have no inherent power, nor do they work independently. The laws of nature are the rules and principles that God set in place to govern how things work. http://www.gotquestions.org/divine-providence.html

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

Action of Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America

WHEN in the Course of human Events,
it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator(God) with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

WE, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATED OF AMERICA, in GENERAL CONGRESS, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World(God) for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES;

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence(God), we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. http://www.eadshome.com/Declaration.htm

 

[bigmanofds]

I meant the "Declaration of Independence".......my bad. I'll post it for you to see. I hope you pay close attention to the very last sentence in the declaration because it boldly states that America relies on God's protection and governance of America. Does it not?

Question: "What is divine providence?"

Answer: Divine providence is the means by and through which God governs all things in the universe. The doctrine of divine providence asserts that God is in complete control of all things. This includes the universe as a whole (Psalm 103:19), the physical world (Matthew 5:45), the affairs of nations (Psalm 66:7), human birth and destiny (Galatians 1:15), human successes and failures (Luke 1:52), and the protection of His people (Psalm 4:8). This doctrine stands in direct opposition to the idea that the universe is governed by chance or fate.

The purpose, or goal, of divine providence is to accomplish the will of God. To ensure that His purposes are fulfilled, God governs the affairs of men and works through the natural order of things. The laws of nature are nothing more than a depiction of God at work in the universe. The laws of nature have no inherent power, nor do they work independently. The laws of nature are the rules and principles that God set in place to govern how things work. http://www.gotquestions.org/divine-providence.html

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

Action of Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America

WHEN in the Course of human Events,
it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator(God) with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

WE, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATED OF AMERICA, in GENERAL CONGRESS, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World(God) for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES;

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence(God), we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. http://www.eadshome.com/Declaration.htm

This thread is getting off the original topic, but Blue explain this:

Treaty of Tripoli: Article 11 signed November 7, 1796

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The Senate's ratification was only the third recorded unanimous vote of 339 votes taken. Also It was sign by then President John Adams one of the people who signed the Declaration of Independence.

 

[JaguarNation99]

I meant the "Declaration of Independence".......my bad. I'll post it for you to see. I hope you pay close attention to the very last sentence in the declaration because it boldly states that America relies on God's protection and governance of America. Does it not?

Question: "What is divine providence?"

Answer: Divine providence is the means by and through which God governs all things in the universe. The doctrine of divine providence asserts that God is in complete control of all things. This includes the universe as a whole (Psalm 103:19), the physical world (Matthew 5:45), the affairs of nations (Psalm 66:7), human birth and destiny (Galatians 1:15), human successes and failures (Luke 1:52), and the protection of His people (Psalm 4:8). This doctrine stands in direct opposition to the idea that the universe is governed by chance or fate.

The purpose, or goal, of divine providence is to accomplish the will of God. To ensure that His purposes are fulfilled, God governs the affairs of men and works through the natural order of things. The laws of nature are nothing more than a depiction of God at work in the universe. The laws of nature have no inherent power, nor do they work independently. The laws of nature are the rules and principles that God set in place to govern how things work. http://www.gotquestions.org/divine-providence.html

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

Action of Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America

WHEN in the Course of human Events,
it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator(God) with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

WE, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATED OF AMERICA, in GENERAL CONGRESS, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World(God) for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES;

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence(God), we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. http://www.eadshome.com/Declaration.htm

You're implying your interpretation of what was meant instead of what the authors actually meant. The phrase "Nature's God" is archetypal Deist language. There is no mention of the Bible, Jesus, or or any references that can only be attributable to Christianity. The Declaration of Independence was written to appeal to and rally a diverse array of people, which is why it contains no references that can be solely attributed to one religion or faith. Regardless, the Declaration of Independence does not govern our land, the Constitution does, and it in no shape, form, or fashion endorses the Christian faith.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

This thread is getting off the original topic, but Blue explain this:

Treaty of Tripoli: Article 11 signed November 7, 1796

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,....Also It was sign by then President John Adams one of the people who signed the Declaration of Independence.

The following may help you........

Quotes from John Adams

“The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity…I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and the attributes of God.â€￾
[June 28, 1813; Letter to Thomas Jefferson]

“We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!â€￾
[April 18, 1775, on the eve of the Revolutionary War after a British major ordered John Adams, John Hancock, and those with them to disperse in “the name of George the Sovereign King of England." ]

• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.â€￾
[letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress] http://www.eadshome.com/JohnAdams.htm

The Treaty of Tripoli
De-Christianizing America?

The Founders did not intend to "found" a Christian nation. This is true.
America was already a Christian nation. If the Founders intended to found a secular nation, their constitution would have been utterly rejected.

As for the Treaty, I'm always happy to repost the facts.

1. The phrase in question does not appear in the Arabic version
2. The phrase was understood to mean that the US did not have officially
hostile relations with nations which were officially Muslim.
3. The treaty was renegotiated a few years later. The phrase was indisputably
NOT a part of the subsequent treaty.

In 1783 the US and Britain ended the war with the Paris Peace Treaty.
The treaty was written by John Adams, John Jay, and Ben Franklin.
Its very first words are

In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.
It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts . . .
http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/tripoli.htm

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

You're implying your interpretation of what was meant instead of what the authors actually meant. The phrase "Nature's God" is archetypal Deist language. There is no mention of the Bible, Jesus, or or any references that can only be attributable to Christianity. The Declaration of Independence was written to appeal to and rally a diverse array of people, which is why it contains no references that can be solely attributed to one religion or faith. Regardless, the Declaration of Independence does not govern our land, the Constitution does, and it in no shape, form, or fashion endorses the Christian faith.

....and you're implying your interpretation of what the authors meant.

Correct, the Constitution are laws, and not religion. The constitution is made up of biblical laws that Christian men took from the bible. Correct, there is no mention of the bible, Jesus, or God in the Constitution because they are laws and not religion. Does that mean the majority of people who founded this nation were not Christians? No, and the founding fathers made it known that America is a Christian nation. Our politicians are sworn into office on the "Holy Bible", which is a Christian tradition that has been passed down from generations. If we are not a Christian nation, why are politicians swearing on the "Holy Bible"? I thought they were suppose to "SEPARATE" religion from politics? I'll post some quotes from the founding fathers.

Founding Fathers: Christian Quotes

* Daily Paul Liberty Forum

John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.â€￾
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.â€￾
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson

"Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell." [John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, April 19, 1817] |
.......click here to see this quote in its context and to see John Adams' quotes taken OUT of context! http://www.dailypaul.com/node/35819

 

[JaguarNation99]

....and you're implying your interpretation of what the authors meant.

Correct, the Constitution are laws, and not religion. The constitution is made up of biblical laws that Christian men took from the bible. Correct, there is no mention of the bible, Jesus, or God in the Constitution because they are laws and not religion. Does that mean the majority of people who founded this nation were not Christians? No, and the founding fathers made it known that America is a Christian nation. Our politicians are sworn into office on the "Holy Bible", which is a Christian tradition that has been passed down from generations. If we are not a Christian nation, why are politicians swearing on the "Holy Bible"? I thought they were suppose to "SEPARATE" religion from politics? I'll post some quotes from the founding fathers.

Founding Fathers: Christian Quotes

* Daily Paul Liberty Forum

John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.â€￾
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.â€￾
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson

"Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell." [John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, April 19, 1817] |
.......click here to see this quote in its context and to see John Adams' quotes taken OUT of context! http://www.dailypaul.com/node/35819

Exactly what part of the Constitution is taken from Biblical Laws? Please don't say murder, stealing, and lying (perjury), all of these concepts predate the Bible. Despite being written primarily by Christians, the Constitution is a completely secular document. Despite attempts at revisionist history, the country is what it was founded as, which is a secular nation of mostly Christians.

For future references, I wouldn't go around using quotes by Jefferson to prove a point about Christianity. Perhaps you should go read up on the Jefferson Bible.

 

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Exactly what part of the Constitution is taken from Biblical Laws? Please don't say murder, stealing, and lying (perjury), all of these concepts predate the Bible. Despite being written primarily by Christians, the Constitution is a completely secular document. Despite attempts at revisionist history, the country is what it was founded as, which is a secular nation of mostly Christians.

For future references, I wouldn't go around using quotes by Jefferson to prove a point about Christianity. Perhaps you should go read up on the Jefferson Bible.

United States Supreme Court Rules America is a Christian Nation 1892

Our Laws Rest on Christian Principles

One of the clearest acknowledgements of our country’s Christian heritage by the U.S. Supreme Court came in the case of the United States v. Church of the Holy Trinity (1892), which was cited earlier in this chapter. The Court offered its unanimous conclusion after an exhaustive study of our nation’s historical records:

No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this
continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation…. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. We are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity.165

Earlier, in the case of Vidal v. Girard’s Executors (1844) the U.S. Supreme Court had unanimously upheld the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s Updegraph decision, stating that “the laws and institutions of this state are built on the foundation of reverence for Christianity.â€166 In this same decision the High Court labeled America “a Christian country,†stating that “Christianity … is not to be maliciously and openly reviled and blasphemed against, to the annoyance of believers or the injury of the public.â€167 The Supreme Court has not only acknowledged our Christian heritage, it has used principles of biblical law in drawing its conclusions. For example, in the late 1800s, when polygamy was spreading through the Western states, the U.S. Supreme Court argued, “Bigamy and polygamy are crimes by the laws of all civilized and Christian countries†(Davis v. Beason, 1889).168 http://www.coralridge.org/equip/10T...out Americas Christian Heritage/truth-10.aspx


WAS THE UNITED STATES FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION?

Recently, many authors have debated whether or not the United States of America was founded as a Christian nation. I wish to provide a few historical quotes from our Founding Era that lend credence to the supposition that we indeed were founded as a Christian nation.

Granted, God is not mentioned in the Constitution, but He is mentioned in every major document leading up to the final wording of the Constitution. For example, Connecticut is still known as the "Constitution State" because its colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States Constitution. Its first words were: "For as much as it has pleased the almighty God by the wise disposition of His Divine Providence…"

Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds Christian to me.

Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?" http://www.afn.org/~govern/Christian_Nation.html

 

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The Supreme Court doesn't make laws, which is why that opinion of the Justice didn't make Christianity the state religion, which would be required for this to be a Christian nation. You still didn't address the question as to what part of the Constitution is taken from Biblical Laws.

 

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The Supreme Court doesn't make laws, which is why that opinion of the Justice didn't make Christianity the state religion, which would be required for this to be a Christian nation. You still didn't address the question as to what part of the Constitution is taken from Biblical Laws.

Biblical Roots of the U.S. Constitution

Three branches of government:
Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king.

Separation of powers:
Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
Thus, we balance the Executive by Legislative and Judicial oversight; the Legislative by Executive
and Judicial oversight, The Judicial by Legislative and Executive oversight; and all three of
those powers are accountable to “We the People,” through voting in honest elections, through
service on Grand Juries and through service on trial juries.

Elections at national, state and local level:
Exodus 18:21 “Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men
of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers
of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.”............ http://www.truthradio.com/BibleRoots.pdf