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The "Icon" of BCF
<font size=7>Grambling!</font> America has chronicled Icon Gram as well as any program in the NCAA. There have been multiple articles in USA Today illustrating the resurgence of the Icon of BCF. Enjoy this one, in arguably the most respected newspaper in the world -- The NY Times!


November 9, 2001

Legacy Passed From Legend to Legend at
Grambling

By THOMAS GEORGE

GRAMBLING, La., Nov. 7 ? Slivers
of sunlight stream through half-closed
blinds as Doug Williams sits in his office at
Grambling State University. Williams is in an
athletic building named after the former
coach Eddie Robinson, adjacent to the
school's stadium, also named after
Robinson.

Williams is scanning the parking lot but is
looking at nothing in particular while his mind
is taking a wistful walk, reflecting on his bus
trip in 1973 from his hometown of Zachary,
La., to Grambling to begin his college
football career.

The setting suits Williams fine ? you cannot
see in, but he certainly can see out.

"I got on the old Salter Bus Line and made
my way up here, and after my first week of
practice, Coach Rob told me I was going to
be redshirted," Williams said. "I had never
sat out of anything; I had played ball all of
my life. But the next year I had a good
spring practice and yet I ended up being the
third quarterback. I didn't play in the first
game or the second game. Not the third and
just a little of the fourth. By the fifth game,
I'd had enough; I quit. I didn't go to film
study that Monday and I planned on missing
practice that Tuesday.

"I was sitting in my dorm room watching
`The Big Valley' show on TV when the
Grambling basketball coach, Fred Hobdy,
came in. I can't repeat everything with as
much color and with the language he used,
but basically it was, `Boy, get your tail up
and get to practice!' I went for the last bit of
it. But I had an attitude and I was going to
show everybody how upset I was by not
talking to anybody. And then I realized something: nobody was talking to
me, either. That brought me back to earth."

In the next game, the starting quarterback broke his wrist. The backup did
not play well. Williams entered, soared and Grambling beat Tennessee State,
21-6.

A star was born.

The rest is history.

And that is a fitting description of what Grambling football, what Robinson
and Williams are all about ? shimmering history, tangled history.

Grambling is a Division I-AA school that has won 10 national black college
championships (including one with Williams as coach last year) and has sent
more than 200 players to the National Football League.

Robinson is an 82-year-old icon who coached here for 57 years and won
408 games, a college football record.

Williams was the first black quarterback to play in a Super Bowl (XXII, a
42-10 Washington Redskins victory over the Denver Broncos in which
Williams threw four touchdown passes in the second quarter) and is the only
black quarterback to win a Super Bowl most valuable player award. He is
also the coach who in 1998 took command and followed Robinson at
Grambling.

It was not an easy transition.

How do you replace 57 years and 408 victories? How do you fill the s****
of your former coach? How do you create new history while being a
caretaker of cherished deeds?

On the Grambling campus and throughout the state of Louisiana, there was a
tendency to look for conflict, drama and a split between Robinson and
Williams.

Throughout their relationship, each man has left much unspoken. Each has
expected the other to simply deduce and understand, fueling misconceptions.

Both men have mastered the art of making it difficult for the other to see in as
much as the other sees out.

Take, for example, the idea that Williams helped force Robinson's exit in
1998 after Robinson's teams produced 5-6, 3-8 and 3-8 records in his last
three seasons.

"That rumor blew in the wind for some time and that is just what it was, a
rumor, and I do not deal in that," Williams said. "I was never one who came
to chitchat in Coach's office as a player and I don't do a lot of that now. No
man can fill his s****; they need to make him a pair of bronze s****, put
them up on a pedestal and let me put on my s**** and let the chips fall
where they may. But people have always wanted to talk Doug this and Doug
that when it comes to me and Coach Rob. Some people just want to find
wrong."

Take, for example, the idea that Robinson was forced out and that Williams
was not the choice he endorsed.

"It never happened; no one told me that I had to quit or I was finished
because if they had, I guarantee you, it all would have worked out another
way," Robinson said. "I recommended Doug for the job and he was the one
person that could do it. I have not been looking over his shoulder and I have
great respect for him. He's a good person and a hard worker and anything
he would need from me he can get it."

They are so different, yet alike. Each is cordial ? yet the one does not let
the other see in.

"When people talk about Eddie Robinson and Doug Williams, they would
prefer to see it buddy- buddy and not him go his way and I go my way,"
Robinson said. "Neither one of us are buddy- buddy like that but we have
mutual respect and there is no split. Doug is trying to win football games and
make his players better men. Those are beautiful traits to have in common."

A week after Williams finally took over at quarterback in 1974, Robinson
had a talk with him. He told Williams he knew he was good, but if he had
played him from the start, the other quarterbacks would have never gotten in.
Williams thought that was crazy, but he never said so. When Williams won
the Super Bowl M.V.P., Robinson has told others that it was his proudest
moment in football, but Williams said that Robinson never told him that ? "I
guess he figured I'd hear it," Williams said.

Robinson occasionally drives to Grambling practices but sits in his car and
watches. He comes to games but sits in the president's box, high above the
action. He has observed a coach, he said, that will be in demand.

"Doug comes over to me at the car and leaves practice to talk to me, but I
tell him I just come to watch and learn and don't leave his practice,"
Robinson said. "I told him if he keeps it up, I'll stop coming. I'm not a
drinking man but I see his coaching like a liquor that is its finest with age; he's
doing exceptionally well and the longer he coaches the more he's going to
find out about himself as a coach. I hope he doesn't leave; he's about the
best thing that's happened for Grambling."

Williams has gone 5-6, 7-4, 10-2 and, thus far this season, 7-1. Grambling
won its first seven before losing last week to Alabama State. It plays at
Nichols State on Saturday.

"Any coach that tells you after having losing teams at the end of a long career
that he just wants to walk away is lying," Robinson said. "I just didn't believe
people were supposed to beat me. But sometimes, when it's time to go,
that's just the way it is, and it was time to go. People have a short memory;
you can be a friend, even a relative as a coach, but they want you to win.
Doug can tell you about that."

Sure Williams can. His family and friends advised him not to succeed
Robinson. They said it was too much. Let someone else take over first.
Williams, though, would have none of that. He arrived and changed the
Grambling uniforms. He changed the offense from the longtime single wing
and Wing-T Robinson used to a multiple pro set. He initially had players run
at 5 a.m. He cut 31 in his first season. Some resisted change, even among
the Grambling players. But like Robinson throughout the years at Grambling,
guess who won out?

"Last year was the season where the rope was broken on the eras and I
think the fans now understand that this is the Doug Williams era while
appreciating the Coach Rob era," Williams said. "Coach Rob is a living
legend and he will always have my respect. We had a perfect dream for a
perfect season this year and we have lost one game, so that's over, and now
we can get back to real life and to playing Tiger football. And that means
playing at full speed, with attitude, with love and playing to win."

For a coach with a practical, direct, firm and winning hand.

For Robinson and Williams, for Grambling football, that is plenty of common
ground.
 
IMHO,

Grambling football has done enough to stand on its on merits. Hence, "the black Notre Dame" is not a good coined praise. Grambling and Notre Dame are distinct entities that should be held in the same esteem. You will be hard pressed to hear someone say that Notre Dame is the white Grambling.....Peace
 



IMHO,

Grambling football has done enough to stand on its on merits. Hence, "the black Notre Dame" is not a good coined praise. Grambling and Notre Dame are distinct entities that should be held in the same esteem. You will be hard pressed to hear someone say that Notre Dame is the white Grambling.....Peace


Actually, I am not as sensitive to "coined statements" as others. America has always compared "great programs" to its predecessors. For example, the Bulls of the 90s were compared to the Ching-like dynasty of the Celtics. Any great basketball player is considered Jordan-like, etc. What the Fightin Irish think is immaterial. Personally, I do not possess a superficial bone in my body. Instead, I use foresight and depth, and come to the conclusion that the common trait both Notre Dame and Grambling share are storied traditions and excellence. Hence, the "Black Notre Dame" phrase manifested.

However, one thing is for sure -- any Southern University program can never be compared to anything great -- and this my friend is -- no smack. Hence, the fact that there are not any "coined statements" about Southern -- not even a fragment (as of 11/09/01). How about the Black LSU?
 
Deuce, even the Ravens were beat last year. I'll see ya at the finish line in B-HAM.

Showcased by ESPN and The NY Times in one day -- only Grambling!
 
Last season JState said they were the "Black Notre Dame" S

Someone dun lied.

Doug the scores was 21-7.
 
I am sorry my friend but you are wrong again. Southern University is a legendary university in Black College Athletics and The World of Academia. My comments of Gram not being the black Notre Dame was not demogague and should not be personalized. These comments are not smack. If you dont believe that the 100,000 + African American College Graduates
that SOUTHERN U. has produced is not legendary, then you are just not "in the know."

Peace
 
My comments were sports oriented. I am fully aware of the academic excellence at Southern U.


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Representing the mighty G-MEN of Grambling State -- <font size=7>I</font>_ _ _ of _ _ _!
 
Interesting article GST!

I, personally, would refer to Grambling as the Cornerstone of BCF, but, that "black Notre Dame" reference may have been used well before our time a long, long time ago.

It was DRILLED in my head by some 40s and 50s grads that PV was referred to as the "black Notre Dame" back in the day (during PV's athletic hey-day). In fact, we even had those same solid gold helmets w/ grey face masks (that we tried to return to in the mid nineties when Mr. Nicks was brought back for a year).

I wish I could get one of those 40s/50s grads to come in here and speak for a moment or two.
 
JROCK, just be happy that you're not me, I have to his this crap from GSUpe every week, and twice on Saturday's. ha ha ha ha

GSUpe what up Wodie?

NICE
 
Great Article!!

This was a great article...and genuine...you don't find that in many journalistic measures these days; normally there is always an angle.

As for Grambling being the Black Notre Dame...it is true. The traditions cannot be denied; the reverance the names command cannot be denied; the parrallels by which the teams were built cannot be denied (determined coaches and a hell of a marketing effort); but more than anything...the winning!

And whether you buy into or not...know this: When in South Bend, if the name Grambling comes up people stop and pay attention. When you visit the College Football Hall of Fame Grambling is recognized on the same level as the Michigans, Ohio States, Penn States, Notre Dames, and Alabama...throughout the whole museum.

And in '99 when Eddie Rob set foot in Notre Dame stadium as we prepared for the Eddie Robinson Football Classic and Coach Davie stopped practice for him, it was unbelievable. Not that he stopped practice, but how the entire stadium shut down to hear what Eddie had to say to the team.

Eddie is Grambling and Grambling is Eddie. Tradition is Tradition and it is undeniable. Watch the stories come forth; but don't hate...Recognize GREATNESS and bow your heads in reverance!

;)
 
If you have ever had the good fortune to be in the presence of Coach Rob, you will immediately know that you are witnessing Greatness. What is remarkable is that someone of such accomplishment can be geniunely humble and willing to converse with you as though you are a long time acquaintance.

Coach Robinson was always a professional and always single-minded in his focus, yet he still took time to let you know that he appreciated being the coach at Grambling and that he appreciated the student body for supporting the Tigers. This man is a tireless worker and true ambassador of being a righteous person. What you had to admire about Coach Rob is that he never made excuses or accepted that anyone was better than Grambling. There was nothing better than "working" at GSU...even when the Rams interviewed Coach, he let it be known that he was going more to see what they were looking for in a head coach. I was so proud when Coach told the print and electronic media, that he was concerned with knowing what they wanted so that he could come back and tell some of the younger Black men in the profession what to do to get prepared.

Doug Williams is doing a wonderful job at GSU. I for one am not surprised. I feel that I am fairly knowledgeable about football, a lot of this knowledge was obtained watching the GMEN practice while I was a student. (Coach Robinson allowed students to come down to the practice field and often remained after practice talking to the student body about the team and upcoming games)If I could learn from that interaction, I felt confident that Doug had been well prepared. Another thing about Doug that you must realize. There's a competitive fire that fuels him and drives him to be the best...that's another thing he learned from the GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME
 



Grambling is a Division I-AA school that has won 10 national black college
championships (including one with Williams as coach last year)

WRONG!!

Other than that it was a nice article.

Grambling, you can be the "Black Notre Dame", we'll be content to be the "Black Michigan".

Michigan = Most wins in College Football History
Tuskegee = Most wins in BCF History
 
Grambling & Tuskegee forever connected

Originally posted by Shelt a 'Skegee Grad


WRONG!!

Other than that it was a nice article.

Grambling, you can be the "Black Notre Dame", we'll be content to be the "Black Michigan".

Michigan = Most wins in College Football History
Tuskegee = Most wins in BCF History

Shelt,

It's all good, you know our 1st President and Founding Father was a product of Tuskegee: Charles P. Adams.
 
Simply The Best.....

Kudo's to all storied people and programs.

IMHO.....Here is the "hook,"

One does not strive for excellence if he is trying to be an equal numerator with a common denominator. I would prefer being the best Dr., Lawyer, Street Sweeper..ect. as oppose to being the best "Black" Dr., Lawyer...ect. "Historical" Black College and Universities are Legendary American Universities. Psychological warfare on an oppressed people have rendered in many instances a subservient thought process from even the "Talented Tenth." Again, you will never find Michigan calling themselves the white Skegee. To the contrary HIStory will always stake claim to superiority rather true or false. The world is full of opinions. And its is my opinion that calling ones self "The Black" white institution is a grave insult to all storied accomplishments by our institutions. There has been a conspiracy for quite sometime to not only hide but to eradicate our legendary accomplishments. The sports world is only a microcosm of this. We did not here the mass media calling Joe Paterno "The Black Eddie Robinson." The history of discrimination mandated that HBCU did not compete at the so called top level with PWC for most years. Hence, these D-1 records that traditional PWC boast about is inherently skewed. That is for my great alma mata, I am proud to say that we are "The Southern University System."
"Often imitated but never dupicated!!!"
It is the "S" on our chest that makes us the Best!!!....Peace
 
Originally posted by GSUperTiger



However, one thing is for sure -- any Southern University program can never be compared to anything great -- and this my friend is -- no smack. Hence, the fact that there are not any "coined statements" about Southern -- not even a fragment (as of 11/09/01). How about the Black LSU?

Im sorry but that looks, sounds and smells like smack to me.

I agree with JRock. Grambling should distinguish itself as the Black Grambling. That just means that no other should be compared to you, because your merits put you in a league of your own. You guys look for ways to stroke your ego, but didn't see what JRock said as a compliment?
:confused:
 
Originally posted by Panthro
Interesting article GST!

I, personally, would refer to Grambling as the Cornerstone of BCF, but, that "black Notre Dame" reference may have been used well before our time a long, long time ago.

It was DRILLED in my head by some 40s and 50s grads that PV was referred to as the "black Notre Dame" back in the day (during PV's athletic hey-day). In fact, we even had those same solid gold helmets w/ grey face masks (that we tried to return to in the mid nineties when Mr. Nicks was brought back for a year).

I wish I could get one of those 40s/50s grads to come in here and speak for a moment or two.

I would add those grads from the 60s too. Anyway, I too wish that they could speak for a moment or two. I sure wish that they could speak.
 
I'm teary eyed...

GSUper,

This is just beautiful. (snif, snif) And they wonder why we so cocky...


Southern,

Get over it! :rolleyes:
 
,,, first of all, you are woefully misguided jocking notre dame.

,,,, look my friend,,, as an HBCUer, I am appauled that you would look to liken yourself to Nothing Dame,,, ESPECIALLY NOW.

i'm no SWAC fan, I have no ties to the SWAC (except parents via ASU and AAMU),, but even I would have to say that Grambling stands on it's OWN name,,, not no stupid-arse nothing Dame. That's just totally unacceptable.

Yes, bask in your glory over the article and all,,, props to Grambling,,,, BUT DON'T LIKEN YOURSELF TO NOTRE DAME. As an HBCUer from TU and NCA&T, I find that very distastfull and just wack. That's the last thing I want to hear coming out of the pie-hole of some HBCU fan, ESPECIALLY A GRADUATE OR SOON TO BE GRADUATE. I don't think I would hear of such coming from SU, or FAMU mugz,, but then again, I don't know. Sorry, just not with you on the notre dame comparison chief.
 
Also can't go with Shelt on this one.

F- michigan. Tuskegee stands on it's own name. Tuskegee-blah, blah; Grambling-blah, blah,,, no need to mention & compare to notre dame and michigan. end of story.
 
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