Black Colleges Disappoint Again on NFL Draft Weekend


MikeBigg said:
The past two coaches we've had both won on the field and ran clean programs...still there's criticism. Broadway was undefeated at home for 4 seasons, yet some said it was too "boring" and blamed the attendance on that fact. (Although the numbers show the attendance has been down prior to and after). It ain't about winning... our fans like whining. Ar these coach's faultless? Of course not...but all things considered, it ain't them who is the problem (not in totality)
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Broadway wasn't exactly knocking off Southern every year in the Bayou Classic either.

Pete Richardson was winning games down at Southern, he just started slacking on the Academic side of the game. But, he's the type of program building coach that HBCUs need more of A new era of HBCU Football Fans became fully aware of Southern Football because of his ability to have Southern win in Nationally Televised Contests such as the Jaguars' Heritage Bowl appearances and of course victories in the Bayou Classic. He also almost knocked off Tulane, I saw that game on Television up here in Maryland, and he won the First SWAC Football Title Game, which I also saw on BET. How'd he do against McNesse St, Nichols State, and Northwestern State... he won a few of those too, right??

I think it's important to recognize high quality Coaches when we have them, and to keep them for as long as they are productive, and also not until a proper replacement who can truly advance the strides made by the previous coach-- can be brought in.
 
He was 3-1 in the Classic, winning the past 3 with 2nd half shutouts. Pete was a good coach, but against B'way he had met his Waterloo...actually a Coach whose style resembled the same approach as the "early years" Pete Richardson.
Same thing happened to them in terms of fanbase... both SU and GSU never really embraced the two (Pete moreso than B'way) because they were viewed as being "aloof". Just not the "out front" personalities that our fanbase seem to prefer.

I think Doug and Anthony Jones are proven winners...yet both of them are not free from criticism. That goes with the territory, but to say they can't coach or their coaching is the blame for not getting guys in the league is something I don't agree with.

Not putting down on Pete...but let me comment on his success against Nichols, McNeese, Northwestern. Not so impressive...Nichols was beating SU with teams that had very sub 500 records (one year, I think they won 2 games), Northwestern he finished .500 (losing the last 2 or 3 meetings), and the only game against McNeese was a two td loss to a McNeese team that had a losing record.
 
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MikeBigg said:
He was 3-1 in the Classic, winning the past 3 with 2nd half shutouts. Pete was a good coach, but against B'way he had met his Waterloo...actually a Coach whose style resembled the same approach as the "early years" Pete Richardson.
Same thing happened to them in terms of fanbase... both SU and GSU never really embraced the two (Pete moreso than B'way) because they were viewed as being "aloof". Just not the "out front" personalities that our fanbase seem to prefer.

I think Doug and Anthony Jones are proven winners...yet both of them are not free from criticism. That goes with the territory, but to say they can't coach or their coaching is the blame for not getting guys in the league is something I don't agree with.

Not putting down on Pete...but let me comment on his success against Nichols, McNeese, Northwestern. Not so impressive...Nichols was beating SU with teams that had very sub 500 records (one year, I think they won 2 games), Northwestern he finished .500 (losing the last 2 or 3 meetings), and the only game against McNeese was a two td loss to a McNeese team that had a losing record.
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I disagree with you. SU's fan base loved Pete. SU fans like the humble type.
 
I have not read every post but understand that before free agency the draft was 12 rounds. It went down to eight and is not at seven. In 1985 HBCUs had 12 draft picks. I will never forget hearing the late Chico Renfro over the old, not present, Atlanta radio station WIGO say it.

SUjagTILLiDIE said:
MikeBigg said:
In all honesty, I really think our coaching/mentoring exceeds theirs. I know we question some of the schemes and calls, but from a fundamental standpoint I see our athletes executing (technique wise) as well as those other cats. The only thing is they are (for the most part) more talented and quantitatively superior...it ain't the disparity in coaching. At our HBCU's if a "good high school player" doesn't pan out, the knock is that he didn't get good coaching. When the 4 & 5 star kid doesn't cut it at the BCS programs, the tendency is to say "He was overrated" or the level of competition was too great. They don't develop talent, they refine it a bit but instead of having to play "catch up" teaching fundamentals, they can instead focus on making kids know their alignment and assignments. Often times the kids are in position to make the play, but their ability is limited. We put that on the coaches...maybe sometimes a bit too much. (just my 2cents).
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I agree. It's really easy coaching talented kids. Plus with unlimited resources and staff, those coaches really don't work hard compared to our coaches.
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The coaching at times may or may not exceed theirs, but for the most part I agree. For instance I will say that Dean Smith was and Coach K is a great coach. However, I would say that old SWAC basketball coaches like Whitney, Stewart, Hobby and Moreland were excellent coaches too. I saw them during the '70s when there was in my opinion more athletic talent in the SWAC. Of course Smith got and Coach K gets high school all-Americans. Of course it helped in them winning national championships. Any coach with sense will say that they would like to have talented players. Ken Houston, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame who played at PV and coached high school ball, basically said that he wanted players with skill.
 
SUJagFan said:
Well, you're right but those same fans shouldn't complain when we don't send players to the NFL and can't beat the Delta States of the world. That's the result of that big play mentality and swashbuckling style. You can't have it both ways.

I would love to see a coach come in and have the courage to do the thing right and win. Winning is the key. I think if you could show the fans that you can win by playing fundamentally sound football, then I think HBCUs could attract higher quality players and coaches which would eventually raise the profile of black college football. Make more money and so forth.

Until then, we'll be sitting around wondering why things won't change when we keep doing the same old thing. :smh:
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Fundamental football .... you mean the stuff Stump has been trying to teach our own boys and the vast majority of our fans bellyaching because we aren't throwing the ball like the Orlando days?

WE, HBCU fans, have a lot to learn.
 
SUjagTILLiDIE said:
I disagree with you. SU's fan base loved Pete. SU fans like the humble type.
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Sorry, but I got to disagree with you.

Southern fans like one type of coach .... winners.

No one was complaining about Pete not being out there, selling Southern, until he started losing. People want to bring him back today, which I will never understand considering how he left the program and that's mainly because Stump didn't do what he thought he could in year one. Stump sells Southern everywhere he goes, has improved our APR, and generally has the program in a better place than it has been since 2004 and our own people still want him canned due to his record in two years. Other than his "undefeated" speech in the first year, he has been humble and preaching discipline and working hard. Everything about him seems likeable, but there are people ready to get him out if he doesn't win 7 or 8 games this year?

If Stump had even come close to his prediction in year one, you wouldn't have people trying to get him out today with everything he has tried to do for our program.

We like to win at SU, just like anywhere else.
 
I don't think the majority of Jaguar nation people "dislikes" Pete. MikeBigg has always been confused when it comes down to an assessment of S.U. He is confusing the Jaguar Nation's passion for winning with feelings. Pete is highly respected, liked and appreciated within the Jaguar Nation. His program became progressively worse starting the year when Katrina hit and with the exception of a few bright spots Stevie Wonder could see it was time for him to be replaced. The decision was not personal but rather business. The business decision never tarnished Pete's body of work. That is for the out of conference teams mentioned below is my assessment:

1) McNeese State- Only played one game NEVER faced Pete with his best teams in early years therefore an accurate assessment cannot be made.
2) NWST- Pete dominated this series and NWST came from behind the last 3 years of the series when S.U. fielded mediocre teams.
3) Nicolls- Pete's 1993 waterloo- This is the only year Nicholls State beat a strong S.U. team under Pete's watch. All their other victories were over mediocre S.U. teams. It is amazing how "some people" tend to miss this point. :lol: :emlaugh:
 
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Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
BINGO, but our folks don't get it. The Strength and Conditioning Coach is the second most important coach on the staff outside of the Head Coach, because they spend the most time with the kids.
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They don't understand. Like Rob once said...Quit crying about what you don't have and work the absolute best with what You have.

Folks need to watch these Bcs spring games and look at those kids conditioning. Especially the Oline!!! A 45lb weight plate us the same at Miami as it is at FAMU. WE DON'T PUT THE WORK IN HBCU's. Their(BCS/UpperFCS) VOLUNTARY WORKOUTS means MANDATORY.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
Sorry, but I got to disagree with you.

Southern fans like one type of coach .... winners.

No one was complaining about Pete not being out there, selling Southern, until he started losing. People want to bring him back today, which I will never understand considering how he left the program and that's mainly because Stump didn't do what he thought he could in year one. Stump sells Southern everywhere he goes, has improved our APR, and generally has the program in a better place than it has been since 2004 and our own people still want him canned due to his record in two years. Other than his "undefeated" speech in the first year, he has been humble and preaching discipline and working hard. Everything about him seems likeable, but there are people ready to get him out if he doesn't win 7 or 8 games this year?

If Stump had even come close to his prediction in year one, you wouldn't have people trying to get him out today with everything he has tried to do for our program.

We like to win at SU, just like anywhere else.
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Glad you showed him otherwise lol
 
usa today said:
Not all Su fans think alike. I always laugh at you when you think you know what every SU fan likes. Just because you're a follower doesn't mean everyone else is.:read:
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Wouldn't it be equally laughable for YOU to think you know what SU fans like?

Your opinion of what SU fans like is biased at best. Totally misinformed at worst.

Especially if you're basing it on the few SU fans you know and how you choose to perceive what they say.
 
SUJagFan said:
Wouldn't it be equally laughable for YOU to think you know what SU fans like?

Your opinion of what SU fans like is biased at best. Totally misinformed at worst.

Especially if you're basing it on the few SU fans you know and how you choose to perceive what they say.
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I actually know many. Hell you don't even know what everyone thinks, Mr WANNA Know It all lol. So how in the hell can you and your comrad know what the majority thinks? Many don't care, as long as the coach is winning.
 
usa today said:
I actually know many. Hell you don't even know what everyone thinks, Mr WANNA Know It all lol. So how in the hell can you and your comrad know what the majority thinks? Many don't care, as long as the coach is winning.
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:)

At least you acknowledge that I know more than you do. And you're right, I don't know what everyone thinks. Which proves my point that you don't have any room to try to laugh at anyone when they just might know more about the situation than you do.

If I was going to take anyone's opinion on the issue, I'd take JROCK's opinion over yours every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Laugh all you want. It means nothing.
 



My comments about the feelings toward Pete is based on living here and speaking with folks both associated with the program and average fans. Okay...maybe dislike is a bit strong. A better choice of words would have been... he wasn't "their man". Mainly because Pete didn't want to interact and give in to the Street Committee... Same thing with B'way when he was at Gram. Give those same "Street Committee" folk at Grambling some time when the honeymoon with Doug ends... Two reasons most of them are not as vocal #1. They are just so glad B'way is gone that they'd support Bobby Jindal as coach and #2. They sked of Doug's right cross!
 
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Am I wrong for being mad that this guy called me "Mr. WANNA Know-It-All"?

:kaioken::angry:

From now on, Mr. Know-It-All will suffice. Dammit!

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You are not wrong to be mad... just wondering why? He doesn't know you personally, huh?

Yall jags sho are a touchy bunch these days (must be those recent...4 in a row) azzwhuppings in the Bayou Classic.

~ snicker~
 
Mike Bigg not lying, there was a significant portion of SU's fans that were very vocal in their dislike of Pete even before the million dollar deal.
 
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Pete was a good coach though...Glad to see him inducted into the La Sports Hall of Fame. He brought stability to SU and forced other coaches in the conference to stand up and take notice. I'm too young to remember Mumford, but prior to Pete I didn't respect SU football at all... no hatred or smack, but prior to Pete it was pretty much a given that Grambling was gonna win the Classic.
 
SUJagFan said:
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At least you acknowledge that I know more than you do. And you're right, I don't know what everyone thinks. Which proves my point that you don't have any room to try to laugh at anyone when they just might know more about the situation than you do.

If I was going to take anyone's opinion on the issue, I'd take JROCK's opinion over yours every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Laugh all you want. It means nothing.
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Mr Sensitivity. lol
 
Series Records vs Grambling:

S.U. 29 Grambling 30 (we don't respect your country azzes either):lol: :emlaugh:
Jackson St 21 Grambling 40 ( Grambling's nasty slut) :lol: :emlaugh:
 
JROCK said:
Series Records vs Grambling:

S.U. 29 Grambling 30 (we don't respect your country azzes either):lol: :emlaugh:
Jackson St 21 Grambling 40 ( Grambling's nasty slut) :lol: :emlaugh:
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Don't have to respect us, just know your role. SU was in existence before and we are up on you "S"crubs.:read:
 
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