BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT


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I am serious, about my comments, because there are too many souls that need to be saved and need taught correctly. There are thousands that follow Bennie Hinn and others believing in things that have been proven to be a lie and slight of hands. People, are being mis-lead because they refuse to study the in-depth ness of God?s word. I study the way I do because my life [eternal] depends on my understanding and how I apply the word to my life. I need to know there is a difference between ?Glossa and Dialect? ?Philo and Agape? ?Justified & Sanctified? ?Repenting & Reporting? Why, because I like you will have to give an account to God if we have mis-taught the congregation. That is why that everyone that steps in the pulpit is not called by God to preach. Only God can ordain an individual to preach.

When I challenge individuals to prove what they believe, God send us a similar challenge, when we say we are Christian, He says ?I challenge? you to live the life I say you can live. In a similar manner, when a person say he / she can heal or do the things of the apostles I am bounded by the word to present a challenge. Hey, if a person can show me they can give sight to the blind, heal the lame, raise the dead, walk on water or do any of the miracles of Christ, Disciples or Apostles I will freely admit I was wrong in my understanding of the scriptures.

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Acts 19:1-7

They had already been baptized by John [water] and had not been taught about the Holy Spirit. The Holy Ghost came upon them. Note verse five they were baptized, this say nothing about Holy Spirit Baptism.

The tongues is glossa, a foreign language [German, French, Arabic] Not, Dam Na, Memo, Sha. Ephesus, is part of Turkey and more than likely the Christians spoke a language other than what Luke was familiar with.

Acts 10:46

The word again is glossa, which only means a foreign language or tongue.

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If speaking in tongues, raising the dead, walking on water etc, etc. is a creteria for salvation. I am afraid Peter, John, Luke, James, Mary, martha, Lazarus, Jarius, The Eunich, Elias, Matthew, Mark, Lazarus, Stephen, Cornealus, Dorcas, Priscilla, Urbane and such like will all end up in hell. There is no evidence that they spoke in tongues or received the "Holy Spirit Baptism"

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Why was Christ Baptized in water?
 
Dr H.. said:
If speaking in tongues, raising the dead, walking on water etc, etc. is a creteria for salvation. I am afraid Peter, John, Luke, James, Mary, martha, Lazarus, Jarius, The Eunich, Elias, Matthew, Mark, Lazarus, Stephen, Cornealus, Dorcas, Priscilla, Urbane and such like will all end up in hell. There is no evidence that they spoke in tongues or received the "Holy Spirit Baptism"
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I concur......:D
 



You know what? It is sad to say that the reason most people don't believe is because of fakes and people who teach about the Holy Spirit wrong. You can't teach someone to speak in tongues because it's not the person anyway, it's the Holy Spirit speaking through you. Futhermore, know one who doesn't have the Holy Spirit can't speak in tongues anyway and any tongue speaker will sound like mumbo Jumbo to them. It sounds like it to me when I hear others do it. There are alot of people who actually use their ignorance as if it's a joke or something.
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For those who don't know, Just because you can speak in tongues doesn't mean you can heal, cast out demonds, ect. Those are gifts of the spirit in wich the spirit gives to who he pleases. Tongues is just a manifistation of the spirit that lets the UNBELIEVER know that he has been sealed with the Holy Spirit. As soon as people realize that tongues are a sign to the Unbeliever then everyone will be ok. The tongues we speak are the spirit languages that we pray in. THE GIFT OF TONGUES IS WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ANOTHER LANGUAGE THAT IS UNDERSTOOD SOMEWHERE IN THE WORLD.(the tongues that are able to be translated) All believers who believe in the Holy Spirit correctly will recieve the Spirit and will know it when they start to speak. It will scare you at first because you are going to know that it's not you and you will not be able to control it initially. The Holy Spirit takes over. All other Gifts of the Spirit is basacally a work of faith. If someone lays hands on someone or prays that they might receive the spirit and the person doesn't speak, then it only means that your faith isn't strong enough or you haven't repented totally to God. You have to REPENT first. Thinking that anything about the Holy Spirit is funny, a joke, or unreal, is not repenting. The Holy Spirit isn't nothing to play with. For all those who are not making fun of this subject, and really want to know the truth, talk to some spirit filled christians. Not every one is Saved, Sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost. Jesus said ,"If you seek, you will find and if you knock, the door will be opened" Please don't
listen to people who don't know what they are talking about. Peter said that the Holy Ghost is what the people saw and heard(Acts2:34) and what they saw and heard is for them and all who will accept it.(Acts2:39) These verses are so plain and clear, yet people will say, I'm missinterpereting the scriptures. Now for anyone who knows how to read and understand, please read every scripture that I have provided in this whole post and the truth will be made known to you. If you think you know and not read the important scriptures that I have provided as proof(undeniably) then you will never know.

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The truth is in the bible. Not in what people feel or think. For example: (There are some people that think God doesn't exist.) (There are some people who thinks that there is no Hell.) (There are some people who think Spiritual Gifts are no more. ) ( There are people who feel like spiritual gifts are for the Apostles only.) (There are some people who think you can be saved with out speaking in tongues.) (There are some people who think that you can get into heaven with out water baptism.) The bible say that God is real. The BIBLE say that there is a Hell that burns forever. THe BIBIL say that spiritual gifts will end when Jesus comes back.(1Cor13:8-10) he isn't back yet.The BIBLE says that speaking in tongues is proof that you have the Holy Spirit (Acts10:46) (Acts19:1-7)to name a few. The BIBLE says that you have to be baptised to go to heaven,(MARK16:16) (Acts2:38) (1Peter3:21) The BIBLE say that people other than the apostles will recieve the spirit with spiritual gifts(Mark16:17-18)(Acts2:39)
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So anyone who has since enough to believe God instead of man, take heed to what the Apostles taught. The baptism in Jesus's name only and to be baptised in the Holy Ghost is necessary.
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"How can a man be born again? How can he re enter his mother's womb to be born a second time?" Nicodemus asked?
Then Jesus replied,"I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of Water and the Spirit"(John3:4-5)
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So for all who see the truth and read the truth and want the truth, Then accept what you see from the word of GOd, and not people who have no faith nor the Holy Spirit, nor a correct understanding on anything. Only the Bible is right. I don't give my own understanding to the scriptures, I just post them up here so you can see that they are saying what I am saying that they are saying. People who argue against me are arguing against God and what he spoke through his apostles. All I am doing is repeating what the BIBLE has said. Not making up my own anything. Like I said once and I will say it again, THIS IS BIBLE, NOT DWAYNE......God bless.
 
Lord....This man just said that the People he named didn't speak in tongues....Oh my God....You study so much that you don't see anything...Your understanding is soo off. You don't have to raise no one from the dead, drink poision, walk on water, heal the sick, or nothing like that. You have to recieve the spirit in the same maner that it was given on the day of pentecost and it hasn't changed nor will it change. Tongues are only proof of the Spirit. All other gifts come to people who the Spirit Pleases. Tongues are like a UNIVERSAL gift for all christians who recieve the spirit. I wash my hands of this subject. All who want to know the truth...Read and study. I see now the bible verses doesn't mean nothing to some people. lol, I guess I can show some people that a gun can kill and yet they will still shoot themselves...
 
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Point of emphasis, I am very much filled with the Holy Spirit. Why did some of the most famous Pentecostal have classes teaching children how to speak in tongues are you saying that they are false teachers?

Mumbo Jumbo, is not glossa or dilecta, when the Apostles spoke on the Day of Pentecost the words were not described as mumbo jumbo [get it right] and through the book of Acts glossa or dilecta was not described as mumbo jumbo.

Dwayne, seriously I really want to know ?what gifts do you have?

1 Corinthians 13:8-10

Is not talking about Jesus, why because His name is not mentioned anywhere in 13. The topic is Charity or Love.


I said if that was the criteria, however that was and has never been a requirement for salvation. Why, provide "us" with Book, Chapter and verse that shows where Mary, Martha, Stephen, Lazarus or Darcus spoke in tongues
 
Of course it's not mumbo jumbo that the Apostles spoke on the day of Pentecost. If you read, you would see that the Bible says that there were a lot of different nationalities that were represented there and heard them (the Disciples) speaking in his/her own language. Now, if somebody speaks English to you, then it won't be mumbo jumbo to you. When someone speaks in tongues, it's a language known somewhere on Earth, and if you don't understand the language, then it wasn't yours. Just like when you go to a Chinese restaurant, when they talk to each other, it's sounds like mumbo jumbo to you. Guess what? There were people who understood the tongues that were spoken on the day of Pentecost. You need to study and learn. The Bible talks about people like you: always learning and never able to acknowledge the truth.




Secondly, if you read, Mary and all of the other people you named were in the upper room on that day. They received the same gift as the Apostles. Go back and reread so you can see these things that you don't know. While you're so busy trying to disprove this, why don't you try to see if it's actually true. How can you say that you are spirit-filled and never spoke in tongues knowing that back then that was something that happened to everyone who received the Spirit? Tell me when did the outcome of receiving the Spirit change knowing that the Bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
 
1 Corinthians 13:8-10

Is not talking about Jesus, why because His name is not mentioned anywhere in 13. The topic is Charity or Love.

You miss my point

Again direct me to the scripture that states she spoke to someone in tongues.

This is what I am talking about. If you ask me "120 direct me to the scripture where Jesus was talking to His disciples and commanded them to Baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit"

I will day ok Dwayne, turn to Matthew 28:19.

No I am asking you, to say ok 120, turn to "Book, Chapter and verse" you will see that [hypotheically] Mary was speaking tongues to the woman at the well"


Please define your understanding of speaking in tongues. Maybe we are saying the samething, but expressing it differently

This is my understanding - it means to speak in a known language other than your "natural or native language'" this is glossa. Here is an example if I was there with the Apostles as I began to teach / preach [my native language being English] I would be able to speak in one of the following languages hebrew, Latin, German or Spanish.
 
Dr H.. said:
...If speaking in tongues, raising the dead, walking on water etc, etc. is a creteria for salvation. I am afraid Peter, John, Luke, James, Mary, martha, Lazarus, Jarius, The Eunich, Elias, Matthew, Mark, Lazarus, Stephen, Cornealus, Dorcas, Priscilla, Urbane and such like will all end up in hell. There is no evidence that they spoke in tongues or received the "Holy Spirit Baptism"
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The scriptures say:

Acts 2:1-13
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

I presented other passages earlier as additional evidence. Acts 1 lists several of the people to whom you refer.

What we teach is that "Spirit baptism" is a benefit of salvation, not a requirement for salvation. I hope this helps.
 
DAC: That is the main reason why I know I have not been speaking in tongues...

The spirit AINT gave me utterance...Until such a time, I will only speak the languages I know.
 
Dr.H...Acts1:12:-26.
Then Read Acts2:1
Acts2:4
Then Read Acts2:5-13
Then ReadActs2:14-33
Then ReadActs2:37-39(verse39 especially)
Check out Acts10:44-48(especially46&47)They Recieved the Spirit, Wich is the same as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.(Acts11:15-17)(especially verse17)
This is Bible. Does this answer your question. I am going to make a suggestion. How about everyone just read the bible and study for them selves. Don't listen to anyone who contridicts what you think the bible says to you. If it's the will of God. We all will come into the truth.
 
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Dr.H...Acts1:12:-26.
Then Read Acts2:1
Acts2:4
Then Read Acts2:5-13
Then ReadActs2:14-33
Then ReadActs2:37-39(verse39 especially)
Check out Acts10:44-48(especially46&47)They Recieved the Spirit, Wich is the same as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.(Acts11:15-17)(especially verse17)
This is Bible. Does this answer your question. I am going to make a suggestion. How about everyone just read the bible and study for them selves. Don't listen to anyone who contridicts what you think the bible says to you. If it's the will of God. We all will come into the truth.
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Dwayne,
We dont you suggest he reads the entire book of Acts? I don't like it when we skip all over the Bible to prove a point.
 
You are right but I want him to see spicifics. To the things he needs to know. For some strange reason, I actually think that he is thinking about what we have been trying to tell him. Even though I believe that the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is a part of salvation and you don't, that's ok, because you have it. We can be on accord and try to bring him to the truth of it being real for today. He has obveously been taught wrong on alot of things, especially on the Holy Spirit. Befor it's over, we will have the whole board baptised in the Spirit because of their faith build up. Some people just don't know. Just like there was a time when I didn't know. For a while, I would loose confidence in some people on here or get frustrated. Now God is dealing with me on patience. Some people wont accept the truth because they don't want to. Not because they don't see it. I have even talked to some people(Pastors) in person, and they told me that in so many words that "EVEN THOUGH THEY NOW SEE THE TRUTH, THEY WILL STILL BELIEVE AND TEACH WHAT THEY WERE BELIEVING AND TEACHING.'' So when ever you are dealing with people like that, then it's a lost cause. But what intrigued me about Dr. H is that, I can see that he is at least willing to be taught if you show him things that he can see the way we see it to certain subjects. Unlike some people I have talked to. I pray for everyone on this board, especially him so I know God is working on him and his understanding of the Holy Spirit. We all need to Pray for each other and each other's understanding.
 
J4J said:
DAC: That is the main reason why I know I have not been speaking in tongues...

The spirit AINT gave me utterance...Until such a time, I will only speak the languages I know.
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Not a thing wrong with that. I just hope that you will remain open to the eventuality. :)
 



Take the Helment of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, WICH IS THE WORD OF GOD. AND, PRAY IN THE SPIRIT(MEANING IN TONGUES) ON ALL OCCASIANS WITH ALL KINDS OF PRAYERS AND REQUESTS. WITH THIS IN MIND, BE ALERT AND ALWAYS KEEP ON PRAYING FOR ALL THE SAINTS. PRAY FOR ME ALSO THAT WHENEVER I OPEN MY MOUTH, WORDS MAY BE GIVEN ME SO THAT I WILL FEARLESSLY MAKE KNOWN THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL, FOR WHICH I AM AN AMBASSADOR IN CHAINS. PRAY THAT I MAY DECLARE IT FEARLESSLY, AS I SHOULD.(Ephesians6:17-20)
 
My last comment on the topic

Individuals are free to believe whatever they want to, however what are the facts about Holy Spirit Baptism

1. It was always promised and never commanded.

2. There are only two recorded cases in the NT, Acts 2, the Jews and Acts 10 the Gentiles. Joel?s prophecy was fulfilled when all flesh [Jews & Gentiles] received it.

3. The purpose of the Spirit of baptism was to fill a definite need. It was to endow the Apostles with power to accurately recall and teach the truth [Jn. 14-26, guided in the truth 16:13, confirm their mission & message with miracles Mk. 16:20, Heb 2:3, 4]. Cornelius [A.D. 41] received it that confirmed that salvation was for the Gentiles the same as for the Jews [Acts 11:18; 15:7,8]

4. HS baptism was always accompanied with miraculous power. The Apostles spoke in tongues [Dialecta & Glossa] which was languages that could be understood, Acts 2:4-6 & do other miraculous things Acts 2:43; 5:12. Cornelius and his house spoke in tongues [glossa]. However, there is no record that they performed miracles; but Peter said ??the HG fell on them, as on us at the beginning? Acts 11:15.

The Apostles were to be witnesses for Christ; but he did not send them out with out power to confirm their mission & their message as being of Divine authority. He assured them that they would receive this power when the HS came upon them in a baptismal [Acts 1:5; 1:8, Lk 24:49. Some of the powers [Mk. 16:17-20]

The Apostles could also raise the dead, Acts 9:41; 20:12.

If men today received the same baptism, they would have the same powers; if not, why not? If they do not have miraculous manifestation that accompanied HS baptism, it is evident that they do not have the baptism.

In A.D. 64 about 23 years after the last example of HS baptism that Paul wrote [Ephesians 4:4-6] & said ?there is one baptism? what was the baptism, he was referring to? Ephesians 5:25-27 ?washing of water? is the same as water baptism. At the same time Peter said ?water baptism? 1 Peter 3:20, 21. Since there is ?one baptism? and it is in water according to Peter and Paul, therefore, HS baptism has ceased by this time.

Those that say they have HS baptism, the burden of proof fall in your hands. They try to prove their miracles by the bible. The Apostles proved theirs by their miracles.
 
Acts17:11 States,"They received the message with great eagerness and searched the scriptures daily to see if what they were told was true."
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So what does the scripture say? You read and judge for your self.
Mark16:17
Acts2:17
Acts2:33
Acts2:38
Acts2:39
Acts2:39
Acts2:39
Acts2:39
Acts3:39
Acts2:39
Acts2:39
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Acts2:39.
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ACTS2:39
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ACTS2:39
Acts2:42
Acts10:45-48(verse46 especially)(now read Acts2:33) (now readActs2:4-11)
(see anything similar)
Acts11:15-18(especially verse17) Now read ACTS2:39
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ACTS2:39
AcTS19:1-7
John14:12-14(notice the wordsANYONE in verse 12 and the prase"In MY NAME"
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Col3:17(not except baptism, but everything.) Everything means everything.
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John14:15-19
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Acts2:38-39....................(This is the scriptures)
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Let God be true and everyman a liar.
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NOW, WHEN WILL THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST END(with all spiritual gifts).
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1Cor13:8-10(Jesus is that wich is perfect and he hasn't come back yet. When he comes back, he will recieve his Church wich are people who are born of the water(baptism in Jesus name) and the Spirit(acts2:38)....There was no one perfect and never will be another perfect other than Jesus and when that wich is perfect comes, the spirit Filledpeople will be raptured up with him and all that will be left will be people with out the spirit. With out the spirit, there will be no spiritual gifts(of corse) Romans8:9-11(especially verse9)
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So, Have Spiritual gifts left or ceased yet??????
 
Cortney, What's up CB? I am moving tommorow, I will give you my number to my house from work. e-mail me at [email protected]
I will tell you what is important when I hear from you. I have to talk to your Father. I got your message last night and my Twins are doing fine. They will be 2 next month. Anyway, I will holla at you.
 
Dwayne said:
Of course it's not mumbo jumbo that the Apostles spoke on the day of Pentecost. If you read, you would see that the Bible says that there were a lot of different nationalities that were represented there and heard them (the Disciples) speaking in his/her own language.
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Explain this. Nationalities...speaking in his/her own language. Does that mean if a person was present who was from Greece, he was speaking Greek, Spain...spanish...Egypt...Hebrew/Aramaic?

How does that translate into people "speaking in tongues" as we know it today. To me, unknown tongues meant languages...Hebrew...Aramaic...Spanish...French...English...Italian...Polynesian..etc.????
 
Study your bible. When someone speaks in tongues, they are speaking a unknown language to themselves, but it's able to be understood by someone somewhere in the world. Even if it's the angelic prayerlanguage. Alot of things that I say, I repeat my self. Tongues are languages. If I speak in a tongue, I could be speaking french, but you (being a English speaker) will not understand it and it will be mombo Jumbo to you.
 
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